Some advice please Taking a job locally as a service bus driver no tacho, am I on my day off able to do a HGV or PSV

[PAUGLLER]

Some advice please!
Taking a job locally as a service bus driver (no tacho) am I on my day off able to do a HGV or PSV agency shift.
Any pointers.

[dobb6ient]

All depends on the company if they have that on your contract saying your not allowed to work with other companies

[SHuzotone]

Nope legally ya can’t as you should put the service work on ya tacho as a manual entry etc.

[beevonPRO]

Nope legally ya can’t as you should put the service work on ya tacho as a manual entry etc.

You can do it but mixing domestic and EU hours becomes a nightmare as EU rest period

[beevonPRO]

Nope legally ya can’t as you should put the service work on ya tacho as a manual entry etc.

and record keeping takes preference.

[FathomGet]

Nope legally ya can’t as you should put the service work on ya tacho as a manual entry etc.

Yes, you can.

[JoJoshund]

Once you drive under eu rules your stuck on that for 14 days.

[JoJoshund]

So answer is no unless you want to add all the service work onto your tacho. Very hard and long job.

[FathomGet]

So answer is no unless you want to add all the service work onto your tacho. Very hard and long job.

It's not 14 days.

[timo9side]

When I done service work the company still wanted you to download your tacho

[timo9side]

so they could see if you'd done any other work as most companies will work their rotas out by the hours you can legally do.

[Johng_ster]

No no no I think your looking for best of both worlds

[McDonweni]

NO

[FathomGet]

NO

Incorrect.

[McDonweni]

NO

Incorrect.

its far easier to say NO it gets VERY complicated to explain and record uk domestic against EU regs. Any operator doing mixed regs is likely to end up in front of TC. You need to get WRITTEN permission from both operators to do as suggested.

[McDonweni]

NO

Incorrect.

BOTH will need a record of the other hours to cover they're own backs! The UK domestic op will NOT be happy the driver being hour restricted as he has done eu regs 1 day that week! So the easy answer IS no! It's TOO EXPENSIVE to make a mistake.

[FathomGet]

NO

Incorrect.

BOTH will need a record of the other hours to cover they're own backs! The UK domestic op will NOT be happy the driver being hour restricted as he has done eu regs 1 day that week! So the easy answer IS no! It's TOO EXPENSIVE to make a mistake.

Stating "no" is still incorrect. Regardless of the complexity, perceived or otherwise.

[bendexis_800]

Sorry i cant believe you are asking this.

[bendexis_800]

At what point are you going to have a rest so that you don't risk the lives of others on the road by driving whilst fatigued. The domestic rules of 24 hours off in any 2 weeks is also wrong in my opinion.

[PAUGLLER]

At what point are you going to have a rest so that you don't risk the lives of others on the road by driving whilst fatigued. The domestic rules of 24 hours off in any 2 weeks is also wrong in my opinion.

4 on 4 off so I’d say that’s plenty rest

[bendexis_800]

At what point are you going to have a rest so that you don't risk the lives of others on the road by driving whilst fatigued. The domestic rules of 24 hours off in any 2 weeks is also wrong in my opinion.

4 on 4 off so I’d say that’s plenty rest

fair enough just your original post was quite ambiguous saying "on my day off" this would lead most to think you only had 1 day off, hence my comment.

[bendexis_800]

At what point are you going to have a rest so that you don't risk the lives of others on the road by driving whilst fatigued. The domestic rules of 24 hours off in any 2 weeks is also wrong in my opinion.

4 on 4 off so I’d say that’s plenty rest

So with new info. Providing you keep a concise record of Drivers Hours and your WTD and you get your legal rest then there shouldn't be an issue but you will need to notify both operators about each other for there record keeping.

[PAUGLLER]

At what point are you going to have a rest so that you don't risk the lives of others on the road by driving whilst fatigued. The domestic rules of 24 hours off in any 2 weeks is also wrong in my opinion.

4 on 4 off so I’d say that’s plenty rest

So with new info. Providing you keep a concise record of Drivers Hours and your WTD and you get your legal rest then there shouldn't be an issue but you will need to notify both operators about each other for there record keeping.

fair point! Thank you

[gold6nito]

Service bus work is normally booked by your time table or Log book so the answer is really No

[PAUGLLER]

Service bus work is normally booked by your time table or Log book so the answer is really No

38 . 5 hours

[gold6nito]

Service bus work is normally booked by your time table or Log book so the answer is really No

38 . 5 hours

plus service is Domestic Rules Coaches Hgv come under EU rules trying to keep it all legal is a nightmare

[KIMNothing]

Service bus work is normally booked by your time table or Log book so the answer is really No

but under EU regulations all work out of scope should be recorded as "other work"

[KIMNothing]

Service bus work is normally booked by your time table or Log book so the answer is really No

and needs to show sufficient weekly rest. So what this driver is doing would be an infringement

[PAUGLLER]

Service bus work is normally booked by your time table or Log book so the answer is really No

but under EU regulations all work out of scope should be recorded as "other work"

but the driver has 4 on 4 off so 1 shift wouldn’t be an infringement because rest would be 72

[PAUGLLER]

Service bus work is normally booked by your time table or Log book so the answer is really No

and needs to show sufficient weekly rest. So what this driver is doing would be an infringement

or 48 hours hence the question on how to record and keep track

[KIMNothing]

Service bus work is normally booked by your time table or Log book so the answer is really No

and needs to show sufficient weekly rest. So what this driver is doing would be an infringement

or 48 hours hence the question on how to record and keep track

up to the driver to prove rest in accordance to EU regulations when driving the LGV.

[PAUGLLER]

and needs to show sufficient weekly rest. So what this driver is doing would be an infringement

or 48 hours hence the question on how to record and keep track

up to the driver to prove rest in accordance to EU regulations when driving the LGV.

that’s why I’m asking and contacting vosa by email to get it right

[raic+edd]

Any work you do irrespective if we're you do it has to be recorded as any other work, and you are still governed by your working hours

[INDORMAN]

Cannot believe the guy has done his cpc as well omg think someone is taking the p..s here

[PAUGLLER]

Cannot believe the guy has done his cpc as well omg think someone is taking the p..s here

4 on 4 off so I can work, I have sufficient rest, just clarity on any rules

[SamQQuicko]

You can work with your company (13 days on the raw out of 2 weeks) under domestic rules.

[oskGynery]

o.m.g.! your be breaking the law, - you must know this!! if the bus company find out, they will sack you instantly.

[PAUGLLER]

o.m.g.! your be breaking the law, - you must know this!! if the bus company find out, they will sack you instantly.

it’s a question.. calm down pal

[PAUGLLER]

o.m.g.! your be breaking the law, - you must know this!! if the bus company find out, they will sack you instantly.

what law on 4 on 4 off?

[KIMNothing]

You need to declare any other work. But with driving a LGV and on EU regulations you will need rest.

[cloggie-786]

Why would you ask?

[PAUGLLER]

Why would you ask?

to gather as much information as possible before deciding best route.. try it

[FathomGet]

Why would you ask?

Because he wants to ask all these qualified Transport Managers.... like yourself.

[DendGroup]

You can, but you have to inform your employer. Unless you're on a zero-hour contract, they can forbid this. And obviously don't exceed your driving hours.

[ren+dants]

Tbf I once did a 10 hour shift and immediately picked up a class 2 job to London. 28 hour day near enough.

[ren+dants]

Left the house at 6.30am one day and didn't get back till 7am the next day. Was tiring. But I was a pauper and need the cash

[PAUGLLER]

Left the house at 6.30am one day and didn't get back till 7am the next day. Was tiring. But I was a pauper and need the cash

I’m not planning doing that, but we all need to make a living. Great honesty

[ren+dants]

Left the house at 6.30am one day and didn't get back till 7am the next day. Was tiring. But I was a pauper and need the cash

I’m not planning doing that, but we all need to make a living. Great honesty

this was some time ago, I was on my arse. Was it it wrong. More than likely but my ex partner needs to be taken to court because she's mentally and emotionally a using my son and allow her new partner to do the same.

[ren+dants]

Left the house at 6.30am one day and didn't get back till 7am the next day. Was tiring. But I was a pauper and need the cash

I’m not planning doing that, but we all need to make a living. Great honesty

I wanted that fallback cash to get the best legal counsel I could. It worked. So for that risk and tiredness my son is at least being looked at by the necessary agencies.

[PAUGLLER]

Left the house at 6.30am one day and didn't get back till 7am the next day. Was tiring. But I was a pauper and need the cash

I’m not planning doing that, but we all need to make a living. Great honesty

I wanted that fallback cash to get the best legal counsel I could. It worked. So for that risk and tiredness my son is at least being looked at by the necessary agencies.

great life lesson.. respect

[ren+dants]

I’m not planning doing that, but we all need to make a living. Great honesty

I wanted that fallback cash to get the best legal counsel I could. It worked. So for that risk and tiredness my son is at least being looked at by the necessary agencies.

great life lesson.. respect

I don't condone what I have done but, in that moment I was driven by anger and absolute necessity.

[kondUNderr]

No mate

[PAUGLLER]

No mate

thank you, but no for what reason?

[FathomGet]

No mate

Not true.

[Siggerco-kith]

So I’m led to believe you can if enough rest has been taken
Just endless manual entries to show the other work

[FathomGet]

Simple answer - Yes, you can.

[FathomGet]

The issue you will have, is that once you work on EU hours (HGV or coach driving), the rest of the working week then comes into EU scope instead of Domestic hours, regardless of what it is.

[FathomGet]

This will most likely conflict with your service bus work as the working time, breaks and rests are different between Domestic and EU.

[FathomGet]

You will need to let both employers know, so that they are aware of your working times and to ensure that there are no conflicts of potential infringements.

[lewy_maxe]

The issue you will have, is that once you work on EU hours (HGV or coach driving), the rest of the working week then comes into EU scope instead of Domestic hours, regardless of what it is.

also if like where I’m working,

[lewy_maxe]

You will need to let both employers know, so that they are aware of your working times and to ensure that there are no conflicts of potential infringements.

in my contract it states must not do work for other companies with out consent as to not infringe on working/driving hours.