Hello. If I drive the truck solo to the place of PMI and drive the truck back to the operating centre after. I do

[HYAMALCO]

Hello. Asking as an External TM.
If I drive the truck solo to the place of PMI and drive the truck back to the operating centre after. I do no other driving for this company, nor any other. I include it in with my TM activities invoice.

a) Do I have to insert my card?
b) I insert my card but select out of scope and that's it?
c) I insert my card select Out of Scope, but I still have to do previous 7 days manual entries?

[jeffrent550]

A, manual entries from last use of card.
I’m unsure why you think your “out of scope”

[HYAMALCO]

A, manual entries from last use of card.
I’m unsure why you think your “out of scope”

I know why it's 'Out of Scope'. Why do you think it is in scope?

[jeffrent550]

A, manual entries from last use of card.
I’m unsure why you think your “out of scope”

I know why it's 'Out of Scope'. Why do you think it is in scope?

Ill treat it the way I treat anyone who thinks there exempt, tell me why your think your exempt from using your card, and/or why out of scope.

[jeffrent550]

A, manual entries from last use of card.
I’m unsure why you think your “out of scope”

I know why it's 'Out of Scope'. Why do you think it is in scope?

The good thing about this site, always something learn. Everyday is a school day.

[Mich1ngdo]

How far away is the pmi from the operating centre?

[HYAMALCO]

How far away is the pmi from the operating centre?

71 miles. It's a hired unit. They want it back every other PMI.

[Paullog-Jo]

How far away is the pmi from the operating centre?

71 miles. It's a hired unit. They want it back every other PMI.

71 miles - each way?
I’d be getting them to collect it and reimbursing you for the fuel too.

[Mich1ngdo]

How far away is the pmi from the operating centre?

71 miles. It's a hired unit. They want it back every other PMI.

In scope and card in

[HYAMALCO]

How far away is the pmi from the operating centre?

71 miles. It's a hired unit. They want it back every other PMI.

In scope and card in

why?

[HYAMALCO]

How far away is the pmi from the operating centre?

71 miles. It's a hired unit. They want it back every other PMI.

In scope and card in

It's a solo 44t plated unit, not a rigid. There's no H&R. It is going bobtail purely for maintenance.

[ADvattein3]

Why only 7 days entries, if you have a card in you should be carrying 28 days records

[JasyJasone]

Out of scope no card needed

[Stevonto608]

Good question! Reluctant to answer....
....given the info provided, I'm betting that B would suffice.

[Stevonto608]

It's a maintenance journey, and you're not a driver that carries goods or passengers, therefore exemption from 561/2006 can be claimed. No need for a DQC either....
Mich1ngdo As i understand it....There is no legal limit to this exemption, in terms of distance, that I am aware of....I think it is unlimited by journey time or distance...

[Mich1ngdo]

I’m sure it’s only out of scope if you work for the service provider. As he’s the tm and being rewarded it’s in scope.

[jeffrent550]

I’m sure it’s only out of scope if you work for the service provider. As he’s the tm and being rewarded it’s in scope.

my thinking, there’s also a workshop card, but without looking it up I believe there is a “radius” limit from the workshop on that aswell.

[ADvattein3]

I’m sure it’s only out of scope if you work for the service provider. As he’s the tm and being rewarded it’s in scope.

my thinking, there’s also a workshop card, but without looking it up I believe there is a “radius” limit from the workshop on that aswell.

a workshop card is used for Tacho calibration etc, not driving

[RpRosseyesso]

I would agree with Stevonto and definitely OOS.
As for the last 28 days of records, your OOS and don't drive at any other time so

[RpRosseyesso]

But I'd be inclined to have four printouts for the last four weeks with your other work + rest stated for each week.
Don't overcomplicate these records as you only want to demonstrate your rest periods to any of authorities.
Too many are overthinking the situation, the truck is not earning and has no means of earning as it has no trailer and is purely going for a PMI

[Paullog-Jo]

But I'd be inclined to have four printouts for the last four weeks with your other work + rest stated for each week.
Don't overcomplicate these records as you only want to demonstrate your rest periods to any of authorities.
Too many are overthinking the situation, the truck is not earning and has no means of earning as it has no trailer and is purely going for a PMI

how do you know it’s not a rigid - complete with load area?

[JILLormand]

But I'd be inclined to have four printouts for the last four weeks with your other work + rest stated for each week.
Don't overcomplicate these records as you only want to demonstrate your rest periods to any of authorities.
Too many are overthinking the situation, the truck is not earning and has no means of earning as it has no trailer and is purely going for a PMI

how do you know it’s not a rigid - complete with load area?

the word "solo" is the usual way of describing a tractor unit without a trailer.

[Paullog-Jo]

But I'd be inclined to have four printouts for the last four weeks with your other work + rest stated for each week.
Don't overcomplicate these records as you only want to demonstrate your rest periods to any of authorities.
Too many are overthinking the situation, the truck is not earning and has no means of earning as it has no trailer and is purely going for a PMI

how do you know it’s not a rigid - complete with load area?

the word "solo" is the usual way of describing a tractor unit without a trailer.

“usual” being the operative word.

[JILLormand]

how do you know it’s not a rigid - complete with load area?

the word "solo" is the usual way of describing a tractor unit without a trailer.

“usual” being the operative word.

whilst I'm a stickler for correct descriptions, are you not over-thinking this a little? Especially for a Friday evening

[Paullog-Jo]

the word "solo" is the usual way of describing a tractor unit without a trailer.

“usual” being the operative word.

whilst I'm a stickler for correct descriptions, are you not over-thinking this a little? Especially for a Friday evening

maybe
But as it’s a 71 mile journey I read it as “possibly” meaning he/she went on their own

[JILLormand]

“usual” being the operative word.

whilst I'm a stickler for correct descriptions, are you not over-thinking this a little? Especially for a Friday evening

maybe
But as it’s a 71 mile journey I read it as “possibly” meaning he/she went on their own

71 Miles? Should definitely have considered double-manning that one

[RpRosseyesso]

whilst I'm a stickler for correct descriptions, are you not over-thinking this a little? Especially for a Friday evening

maybe
But as it’s a 71 mile journey I read it as “possibly” meaning he/she went on their own

71 Miles? Should definitely have considered double-manning that one

Definitely, being the operative word

[Paullog-Jo]

whilst I'm a stickler for correct descriptions, are you not over-thinking this a little? Especially for a Friday evening

maybe
But as it’s a 71 mile journey I read it as “possibly” meaning he/she went on their own

71 Miles? Should definitely have considered double-manning that one

Maybe not double manned but, unless he was waiting for the PMI to be completed, would he not want a lift back?

[JILLormand]

maybe
But as it’s a 71 mile journey I read it as “possibly” meaning he/she went on their own

71 Miles? Should definitely have considered double-manning that one

Maybe not double manned but, unless he was waiting for the PMI to be completed, would he not want a lift back?

I need wine now Pullog!

[DenneHHerty]

Drivers who do not carry out ANY commercial carriage for an organization, can drive empty tacho equipped vehicles without falling in scope of EU hours.

[DenneHHerty]

Put it OOS. No card required. Maybe do a printout with an explainer written on for record keeping.

[Michalyz_Pod]

Drivers who do not carry out ANY commercial carriage for an organization, can drive empty tacho equipped vehicles without falling in scope of EU hours.

The only truly right answer so far I reckon!

[RpRosseyesso]

Because he said he drives the truck solo to the place of PMI solo/bobtail is a term only used when driving a tractor unit on its own Paullog

[HYAMALCO]

A divided response.
This is why questions like this are good.

[HYAMALCO]

This is a genuine question. I have a one man one truck operator and I'm looking to help him out, with his hours, by doing this PMI trip. It's on an 8 week cycle. One local and every 2nd one back at the hire base, 71 miles away.
Maybe I'm too much of a good guy and should say it's his problem...

[lesvod-first]

Should you come up in front of the TC what evidence of this journey would you want to show to legitimize the journey?

[lesvod-first]

Personally, whether it be necessary or not, I would insert card set to driving, (you are being rewarded for your services) and do manual entries. Whether necessary or not, it's about covering your ass.

[lesvod-first]

We as TM's are ultimately responsible for the entirety and short falls will / would fall on us. More is very important especially if you cover more than one operator it gives peace of mind for your other clients.

[lesvod-first]

In response to my comment, 28 days should be manual entries, unless holidays, sick leave or no other work is involved. Of which a letter of attestation can be submitted. Only from a period of Sun 00:00 hours to Sat 23:59:59 hours in any ISO week.

[Bill-informer]

Why even complicate this by going OOS. What is the benefit?

[Bill-informer]

If you have a licence and driver card for the journey, use it. If this all just to avoid a manual entry or record of driving and other work, then why?

[RpRosseyesso]

Why even complicate this by going OOS. What is the benefit?

By going OOS Bill and still inserting his card, he's not complicating anything and actually making the whole process very easy as no manual entries are required as he doesn't usually drive and it's only incidental and not a regular occurrence.

[RpRosseyesso]

If you have a licence and driver card for the journey, use it. If this all just to avoid a manual entry or record of driving and other work, then why?

I'd still carry 28 days of written records, whether that's written on print outs or attestation letters just in case and no missing mileage as a card has been inserted in the VDU

[Bill-informer]

If you have a licence and driver card for the journey, use it. If this all just to avoid a manual entry or record of driving and other work, then why?

I'd still carry 28 days of written records, whether that's written on print outs or attestation letters just in case and no missing mileage as a card has been inserted in the VDU

Same as me pal, that is why I question it. Just easier to log it.

[Sahable696]

As I see it, if it was to do a favour, then no card required. If you do this regular, then this becomes part of your job.

[Sahable696]

So by way of making this part of your work routine as its regular or expected to make these trips does become hire and reward. What you won't require is driver cpc ad you ate either traveling solo or with a trailer, it must not carry anything, do must be empty.

[HYAMALCO]

Thank you all

[Bluecorn]

A, manual entries from last use of card.
I’m unsure why you think your “out of scope”

I know why it's 'Out of Scope'. Why do you think it is in scope?

By virtue of saying driving they tick is part of the ETM duties ( silly route but that’s another post), then it’s more likely to be seen as driving us one of your duties Change the contract and it becomes incidental