VEHICLE UNIT ISSUE?

[dritchie87]

One of our drivers got an infringement for only taking 44 minutes of the required 45 minutes break, however he has questioned why the vehicle unit did not display any warnings/instructions regarding this when he started driving again, would this be an issue with vehicle unit that i would need to get it looked into or would it not have displayed anything because it was under 1 minute? The driver is very trustworthy so i believe what he has told me.

[neillene]

If he had scrolled down through the machine, it would've told him how much break he had taken.

[rockBUyear]

They don't display warnings. Up to the driver to look at what break has been taken. It tells you on the VU.

[ibsonie]

He's started and driven soon as its clocked 45, school boy error you should always give it an extra minute or two
I'd not overly worry about it personally.

[dautie02]

He's started and driven soon as its clocked 45, school boy error you should always give it an extra minute or two
I'd not overly worry about it personally.

45 on the tacho is 45, regardless.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two is when using analogue………

[ibsonie]

He's started and driven soon as its clocked 45, school boy error you should always give it an extra minute or two
I'd not overly worry about it personally.

45 on the tacho is 45, regardless.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two is when using analogue………

regardless until it dips it into other work.

[dautie02]

He's started and driven soon as its clocked 45, school boy error you should always give it an extra minute or two
I'd not overly worry about it personally.

45 on the tacho is 45, regardless.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two is when using analogue………

regardless until it dips it into other work.

have a read up on how digital tachos work, and how they allocate a minute, especially when more than one mode is used in that ‘minute’.

[Joannie]

45 on the tacho is 45, regardless.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two is when using analogue………

regardless until it dips it into other work.

have a read up on how digital tachos work, and how they allocate a minute, especially when more than one mode is used in that ‘minute’.

i had similar situation as well, I had done my 45 minutes break but on dashboard and tacho was still showing 1 minute left, which was very confusing.
It was keep showing me that I have 1 minute remaining of my break to clear the drive time. It only happened once never again, very odd.

[farrepo]

He's started and driven soon as its clocked 45, school boy error you should always give it an extra minute or two
I'd not overly worry about it personally.

if you time it correctly you can actually set off on 44! So 45 is definitely fine to set off on and it's not a school boy error not to have 1 extra minute

[Lucianil]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

[dautie02]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

[jaxon]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

to be clear you are saying that the clock shows a timer that once it shows 45 then 45 minutes has passed. What you don’t see is the seconds remaining. A driver may stop at 13:00:30 and start at 13:45:00 if the driver is using the clock rather than the timer then this issue can occur. It can also happen if a driver swaps vehicle and the times are out of sync. So by saying it’s only analogue is not correct.

[dautie02]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

to be clear you are saying that the clock shows a timer that once it shows 45 then 45 minutes has passed. What you don’t see is the seconds remaining. A driver may stop at 13:00:30 and start at 13:45:00 if the driver is using the clock rather than the timer then this issue can occur. It can also happen if a driver swaps vehicle and the times are out of sync. So by saying it’s only analogue is not correct.

if you had a read up on how a digital tacho works, you’d see that the only time seconds come into it are when the tacho allocates a whole minute to an activity, be it break, POA, rest, other work or driving when more than one mode is used in that minute.
For example, if in a ‘certain minute’ you did 38 seconds on break, and the remaining other 22 seconds of other work, the tacho would allocate that minute as being break.
So, you can take 44 minutes and 38 seconds of break, then other work for that remaining 22 seconds, but the WHOLE minute will be classed as break in a digital tacho.
That is factual, correct, but wrong.
Read up on how they work………

[jaxon]

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

to be clear you are saying that the clock shows a timer that once it shows 45 then 45 minutes has passed. What you don’t see is the seconds remaining. A driver may stop at 13:00:30 and start at 13:45:00 if the driver is using the clock rather than the timer then this issue can occur. It can also happen if a driver swaps vehicle and the times are out of sync. So by saying it’s only analogue is not correct.

if you had a read up on how a digital tacho works, you’d see that the only time seconds come into it are when the tacho allocates a whole minute to an activity, be it break, POA, rest, other work or driving when more than one mode is used in that minute.
For example, if in a ‘certain minute’ you did 38 seconds on break, and the remaining other 22 seconds of other work, the tacho would allocate that minute as being break.
So, you can take 44 minutes and 38 seconds of break, then other work for that remaining 22 seconds, but the WHOLE minute will be classed as break in a digital tacho.
That is factual, correct, but wrong.
Read up on how they work………

thank you.

[dautie02]

to be clear you are saying that the clock shows a timer that once it shows 45 then 45 minutes has passed. What you don’t see is the seconds remaining. A driver may stop at 13:00:30 and start at 13:45:00 if the driver is using the clock rather than the timer then this issue can occur. It can also happen if a driver swaps vehicle and the times are out of sync. So by saying it’s only analogue is not correct.

if you had a read up on how a digital tacho works, you’d see that the only time seconds come into it are when the tacho allocates a whole minute to an activity, be it break, POA, rest, other work or driving when more than one mode is used in that minute.
For example, if in a ‘certain minute’ you did 38 seconds on break, and the remaining other 22 seconds of other work, the tacho would allocate that minute as being break.
So, you can take 44 minutes and 38 seconds of break, then other work for that remaining 22 seconds, but the WHOLE minute will be classed as break in a digital tacho.
That is factual, correct, but wrong.
Read up on how they work………

thank you.

ok

[IzzeOmaxis]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

yes and you need to understand that a tacho can jump either way so having a break and going over by a minute , then an infringement will not be caused, so stop being a tight arse one minute over won’t kill you keeps infringements down keeps the assessor happy
It’s not that you take the odd minute away from your desk either fora coffee or the loo or just a walk

[Dews1522]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

this is true... you can creep a tacho and move a vehicle around in small increments and it will still record continuous break. The driver in this case must have miscalculated...

[dautie02]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

yes and you need to understand that a tacho can jump either way so having a break and going over by a minute , then an infringement will not be caused, so stop being a tight arse one minute over won’t kill you keeps infringements down keeps the assessor happy
It’s not that you take the odd minute away from your desk either fora coffee or the loo or just a walk

I fully understand how they work, hence all of my comments/replies

[c0rchase]

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

yes and you need to understand that a tacho can jump either way so having a break and going over by a minute , then an infringement will not be caused, so stop being a tight arse one minute over won’t kill you keeps infringements down keeps the assessor happy
It’s not that you take the odd minute away from your desk either fora coffee or the loo or just a walk

I fully understand how they work, hence all of my comments/replies

Correct!

[dautie02]

yes and you need to understand that a tacho can jump either way so having a break and going over by a minute , then an infringement will not be caused, so stop being a tight arse one minute over won’t kill you keeps infringements down keeps the assessor happy
It’s not that you take the odd minute away from your desk either fora coffee or the loo or just a walk

I fully understand how they work, hence all of my comments/replies

Correct!

apparently I’m wrong according to a few, yet none of them can seem to be able to prove it via an official source

[jinChat]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

this is true... you can creep a tacho and move a vehicle around in small increments and it will still record continuous break. The driver in this case must have miscalculated...

it will record as you stated, but DVSA can analyse micro movements.

[Dews1522]

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

this is true... you can creep a tacho and move a vehicle around in small increments and it will still record continuous break. The driver in this case must have miscalculated...

it will record as you stated, but DVSA can analyse micro movements.

can they? How?

[jinChat]

this is true... you can creep a tacho and move a vehicle around in small increments and it will still record continuous break. The driver in this case must have miscalculated...

it will record as you stated, but DVSA can analyse micro movements.

can they? How?

V trace shows movement. Just because it hasn't recorded as drive, doesn't mean it can't be seen.

[Jancipol]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

to be clear you are saying that the clock shows a timer that once it shows 45 then 45 minutes has passed. What you don’t see is the seconds remaining. A driver may stop at 13:00:30 and start at 13:45:00 if the driver is using the clock rather than the timer then this issue can occur. It can also happen if a driver swaps vehicle and the times are out of sync. So by saying it’s only analogue is not correct.

be quiet you absolute whopper

[IzzeOmaxis]

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

yes and you need to understand that a tacho can jump either way so having a break and going over by a minute , then an infringement will not be caused, so stop being a tight arse one minute over won’t kill you keeps infringements down keeps the assessor happy
It’s not that you take the odd minute away from your desk either fora coffee or the loo or just a walk

I fully understand how they work, hence all of my comments/replies

really so you drive as well then or just read in a book Mmmmm another university student that knows f**k all

[dautie02]

yes and you need to understand that a tacho can jump either way so having a break and going over by a minute , then an infringement will not be caused, so stop being a tight arse one minute over won’t kill you keeps infringements down keeps the assessor happy
It’s not that you take the odd minute away from your desk either fora coffee or the loo or just a walk

I fully understand how they work, hence all of my comments/replies

really so you drive as well then or just read in a book Mmmmm another university student that knows f**k all

actually I’m a builder after having done 32yrs LGV driving.
But it would appear that I know quite a lot more than yourself.
Perhaps you need to ‘read those books’ as well (for example GV262, the GTMR, EC561/2006 amongst a few others

[farrepo]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

this is true... you can creep a tacho and move a vehicle around in small increments and it will still record continuous break. The driver in this case must have miscalculated...

and DVSAs software actively looks for these 'unrecorded' movements, it's not an offence in itself, but depending on the timing it could mean it invalidates your break and that might then mean you've driven over 4.5 without a break, and that's what you'll get done for

[Dews1522]

45 on a tacho is 45. It’s that simple.
The only time you ‘may’ need to take an extra minute or two by your clock/watch/whatever is if using an analogue……

this is true... you can creep a tacho and move a vehicle around in small increments and it will still record continuous break. The driver in this case must have miscalculated...

and DVSAs software actively looks for these 'unrecorded' movements, it's not an offence in itself, but depending on the timing it could mean it invalidates your break and that might then mean you've driven over 4.5 without a break, and that's what you'll get done for

I'm fairly sure their software can only check unaccounted mileage (movements with the card removed) but I'm far from certain. Also I only said you 'can' do this, not that I have or would endorse such despicable behaviour

[farrepo]

this is true... you can creep a tacho and move a vehicle around in small increments and it will still record continuous break. The driver in this case must have miscalculated...

and DVSAs software actively looks for these 'unrecorded' movements, it's not an offence in itself, but depending on the timing it could mean it invalidates your break and that might then mean you've driven over 4.5 without a break, and that's what you'll get done for

I'm fairly sure their software can only check unaccounted mileage (movements with the card removed) but I'm far from certain. Also I only said you 'can' do this, not that I have or would endorse such despicable behaviour

hi, no it compares the data on the card to the data on the head unit, so you can only be picked up on this if in the same truck.
But people are getting busted for it, and there's no tolerance, if they detect that you've moved, then you'll be done if all criteria is met.
You could get away with this upto 3 or 4 years ago and have done it myself, but not a chance I'd do it now

[Jancipol]

Always go over with 1 min for all breaks, i mean in this case +1 min would have been 46 min,
VU’s don’t have any alerts to inform you that that you did not had 15’/30’/45’, VU settings are by default for this type of action set to do what you have asked it to do to make a record. Driving is the only activity that is commencing automatic as is getting info fro gearbox.
In this case my opinion is that driver must get the infringement, debrief it, retrain, get driver to sign for retraining, upload proof and move on.
Also it would be nice him to set up alarm on his phone for when break is completed and check by scrolling down to see if indeed VU recorded, recorded in full.

huh

[Falkro]

I always take 47 or if I split it it’s 17 and 32. Just covers this

[dautie02]

45 on the tacho is 45, not less, not more in whole minutes. Those suggesting that drivers should have 1/2/3 more minutes ‘just to be safe’, there’s no need to on digital tachos, but perhaps there’s a case for that when using analogue………

[Watsonny]

45 on the tacho is 45, not less, not more in whole minutes. Those suggesting that drivers should have 1/2/3 more minutes ‘just to be safe’, there’s no need to on digital tachos, but perhaps there’s a case for that when using analogue………

that is inaccurate information

[dautie02]

45 on the tacho is 45, not less, not more in whole minutes. Those suggesting that drivers should have 1/2/3 more minutes ‘just to be safe’, there’s no need to on digital tachos, but perhaps there’s a case for that when using analogue………

that is inaccurate information

like I replied to you on another comment, please prove me wrong with a link from an official source please

[Watsonny]

45 on the tacho is 45, not less, not more in whole minutes. Those suggesting that drivers should have 1/2/3 more minutes ‘just to be safe’, there’s no need to on digital tachos, but perhaps there’s a case for that when using analogue………

that is inaccurate information

like I replied to you on another comment, please prove me wrong with a link from an official source please

why don’t you just go and educate yourself and stop putting misleading information on the posts, obviously you don’t know what you are talking about.

[dautie02]

that is inaccurate information

like I replied to you on another comment, please prove me wrong with a link from an official source please

why don’t you just go and educate yourself and stop putting misleading information on the posts, obviously you don’t know what you are talking about.

and the link from an official source to confirm that?

[jeandspo]

like I replied to you on another comment, please prove me wrong with a link from an official source please

why don’t you just go and educate yourself and stop putting misleading information on the posts, obviously you don’t know what you are talking about.

and the link from an official source to confirm that?

just been reading some of these replies. Once again not surprised at the response.
You can’t help some people on here because it’s the old “ bruised ego” thing.
Watsonny,
Tachos don't record seconds, they just use seconds to determine how the whole calendar minute is recorded, on a 2nd gen you could drive 58 seconds and not record any driving, the last 29 seconds of a minute and the 1st 29 of the next minute.
The longest continuous activity in a minute is how the minute gets recorded.

[dautie02]

why don’t you just go and educate yourself and stop putting misleading information on the posts, obviously you don’t know what you are talking about.

and the link from an official source to confirm that?

just been reading some of these replies. Once again not surprised at the response.
You can’t help some people on here because it’s the old “ bruised ego” thing.
Watsonny,
Tachos don't record seconds, they just use seconds to determine how the whole calendar minute is recorded, on a 2nd gen you could drive 58 seconds and not record any driving, the last 29 seconds of a minute and the 1st 29 of the next minute.
The longest continuous activity in a minute is how the minute gets recorded.

Watsonny, keeps telling me I’m wrong, but won’t provide (or can’t seem to find) a link from an official source to back his ‘accusations’ up

[jeandspo]

and the link from an official source to confirm that?

just been reading some of these replies. Once again not surprised at the response.
You can’t help some people on here because it’s the old “ bruised ego” thing.
Watsonny,
Tachos don't record seconds, they just use seconds to determine how the whole calendar minute is recorded, on a 2nd gen you could drive 58 seconds and not record any driving, the last 29 seconds of a minute and the 1st 29 of the next minute.
The longest continuous activity in a minute is how the minute gets recorded.

Watsonny, keeps telling me I’m wrong, but won’t provide (or can’t seem to find) a link from an official source to back his ‘accusations’ up

probably thinks he’s infallible. See it all to often .

[Watsonny]

why don’t you just go and educate yourself and stop putting misleading information on the posts, obviously you don’t know what you are talking about.

and the link from an official source to confirm that?

just been reading some of these replies. Once again not surprised at the response.
You can’t help some people on here because it’s the old “ bruised ego” thing.
Watsonny,
Tachos don't record seconds, they just use seconds to determine how the whole calendar minute is recorded, on a 2nd gen you could drive 58 seconds and not record any driving, the last 29 seconds of a minute and the 1st 29 of the next minute.
The longest continuous activity in a minute is how the minute gets recorded.

never heard so much inaccurate information, tachometer doesn’t record second.
Ok there is no educating some people.
If that’s what you believe then that’s great. Keep telling yourself that.

[jeandspo]

and the link from an official source to confirm that?

just been reading some of these replies. Once again not surprised at the response.
You can’t help some people on here because it’s the old “ bruised ego” thing.
Watsonny,
Tachos don't record seconds, they just use seconds to determine how the whole calendar minute is recorded, on a 2nd gen you could drive 58 seconds and not record any driving, the last 29 seconds of a minute and the 1st 29 of the next minute.
The longest continuous activity in a minute is how the minute gets recorded.

never heard so much inaccurate information, tachometer doesn’t record second.
Ok there is no educating some people.
If that’s what you believe then that’s great. Keep telling yourself that.

ok show me a print out with seconds on it. I will wait

[Watsonny]

just been reading some of these replies. Once again not surprised at the response.
You can’t help some people on here because it’s the old “ bruised ego” thing.
Watsonny,
Tachos don't record seconds, they just use seconds to determine how the whole calendar minute is recorded, on a 2nd gen you could drive 58 seconds and not record any driving, the last 29 seconds of a minute and the 1st 29 of the next minute.
The longest continuous activity in a minute is how the minute gets recorded.

never heard so much inaccurate information, tachometer doesn’t record second.
Ok there is no educating some people.
If that’s what you believe then that’s great. Keep telling yourself that.

ok show me a print out with seconds on it. I will wait

infallible

[Watsonny]

just been reading some of these replies. Once again not surprised at the response.
You can’t help some people on here because it’s the old “ bruised ego” thing.
Watsonny,
Tachos don't record seconds, they just use seconds to determine how the whole calendar minute is recorded, on a 2nd gen you could drive 58 seconds and not record any driving, the last 29 seconds of a minute and the 1st 29 of the next minute.
The longest continuous activity in a minute is how the minute gets recorded.

never heard so much inaccurate information, tachometer doesn’t record second.
Ok there is no educating some people.
If that’s what you believe then that’s great. Keep telling yourself that.

ok show me a print out with seconds on it. I will wait

you are just being stupid now.

[jeandspo]

never heard so much inaccurate information, tachometer doesn’t record second.
Ok there is no educating some people.
If that’s what you believe then that’s great. Keep telling yourself that.

ok show me a print out with seconds on it. I will wait

you are just being stupid now.

does that need explaining to you as well?
Are you going to show us all a tacho print out showing seconds

[jeandspo]

never heard so much inaccurate information, tachometer doesn’t record second.
Ok there is no educating some people.
If that’s what you believe then that’s great. Keep telling yourself that.

ok show me a print out with seconds on it. I will wait

infallible

try reading
4 October 2011 – The new specifications of Commission Regulation (EU) N. 1266/2009 solve the “one minute rule” problem

[Watsonny]

ok show me a print out with seconds on it. I will wait

you are just being stupid now.

does that need explaining to you as well?
Are you going to show us all a tacho print out showing seconds

you are just talking crap now, I have better people to talk to . You can’t educate sausages like you.

[boar4lham]

45 on the tacho is 45, not less, not more in whole minutes. Those suggesting that drivers should have 1/2/3 more minutes ‘just to be safe’, there’s no need to on digital tachos, but perhaps there’s a case for that when using analogue………

I’ve found on a digital tacho that if you put it on break at for example 13:00 and 27 seconds and take it off at 13:45 exactly then it’s not 45 minutes. For that reason I always clock 46 minutes.

[dautie02]

you are just being stupid now.

does that need explaining to you as well?
Are you going to show us all a tacho print out showing seconds

you are just talking crap now, I have better people to talk to . You can’t educate sausages like you.

yet in no way whatsoever have you tried to educate us “sausages”, including any proof from an official source

[jeandspo]

you are just being stupid now.

does that need explaining to you as well?
Are you going to show us all a tacho print out showing seconds

you are just talking crap now, I have better people to talk to . You can’t educate sausages like you.

resorts to insults because you’ve been proved wrong. Typical playground behaviour

[Watsonny]

does that need explaining to you as well?
Are you going to show us all a tacho print out showing seconds

you are just talking crap now, I have better people to talk to . You can’t educate sausages like you.

resorts to insults because you’ve been proved wrong. Typical playground behaviour

playground behaviour, where have I been proved wrong.
Just go away and fill everybody’s head with inaccuracies!

[jeandspo]

you are just talking crap now, I have better people to talk to . You can’t educate sausages like you.

resorts to insults because you’ve been proved wrong. Typical playground behaviour

playground behaviour, where have I been proved wrong.
Just go away and fill everybody’s head with inaccuracies!

did you read this ?
Struggling ? Get help from a suitable adult.
Proves you wrong .
4 October 2011 – The new specifications of Commission Regulation (EU) N. 1266/2009 solve the “one minute rule” problem.

[Watsonny]

resorts to insults because you’ve been proved wrong. Typical playground behaviour

playground behaviour, where have I been proved wrong.
Just go away and fill everybody’s head with inaccuracies!

did you read this ?
Struggling ? Get help from a suitable adult.
Proves you wrong .
4 October 2011 – The new specifications of Commission Regulation (EU) N. 1266/2009 solve the “one minute rule” problem.

Obviously it’s you that can possibly read but doesn’t intepretate grammar correctly.
You can’t spell or just understand simple dialect.
I have better educated people to socialise with.
Keep up your inaccuracies, be happy telling people your untruths.
Most probably you have no friend to talk to anyway!!

[Jrba]

playground behaviour, where have I been proved wrong.
Just go away and fill everybody’s head with inaccuracies!

did you read this ?
Struggling ? Get help from a suitable adult.
Proves you wrong .
4 October 2011 – The new specifications of Commission Regulation (EU) N. 1266/2009 solve the “one minute rule” problem.

Obviously it’s you that can possibly read but doesn’t intepretate grammar correctly.
You can’t spell or just understand simple dialect.
I have better educated people to socialise with.
Keep up your inaccuracies, be happy telling people your untruths.
Most probably you have no friend to talk to anyway!!

Just a shame that Jeandspo and Dautie are both correct.

[jeandspo]

playground behaviour, where have I been proved wrong.
Just go away and fill everybody’s head with inaccuracies!

did you read this ?
Struggling ? Get help from a suitable adult.
Proves you wrong .
4 October 2011 – The new specifications of Commission Regulation (EU) N. 1266/2009 solve the “one minute rule” problem.

Obviously it’s you that can possibly read but doesn’t intepretate grammar correctly.
You can’t spell or just understand simple dialect.
I have better educated people to socialise with.
Keep up your inaccuracies, be happy telling people your untruths.
Most probably you have no friend to talk to anyway!!

show us all next time you’re driving a print out showing seconds on it

[dautie02]

playground behaviour, where have I been proved wrong.
Just go away and fill everybody’s head with inaccuracies!

did you read this ?
Struggling ? Get help from a suitable adult.
Proves you wrong .
4 October 2011 – The new specifications of Commission Regulation (EU) N. 1266/2009 solve the “one minute rule” problem.

Obviously it’s you that can possibly read but doesn’t intepretate grammar correctly.
You can’t spell or just understand simple dialect.
I have better educated people to socialise with.
Keep up your inaccuracies, be happy telling people your untruths.
Most probably you have no friend to talk to anyway!!

it’s been interesting
Are you not going to prove us wrong with your accusations before you go though, or are you one of those that accuses people of giving bad ‘advice’, yet walks away without providing any evidence as to why?

[Watsonny]

did you read this ?
Struggling ? Get help from a suitable adult.
Proves you wrong .
4 October 2011 – The new specifications of Commission Regulation (EU) N. 1266/2009 solve the “one minute rule” problem.

Obviously it’s you that can possibly read but doesn’t intepretate grammar correctly.
You can’t spell or just understand simple dialect.
I have better educated people to socialise with.
Keep up your inaccuracies, be happy telling people your untruths.
Most probably you have no friend to talk to anyway!!

Just a shame that Jeandspo and Dautie are both correct.

really, did you go to the same school also!
Keep telling yourself that!
Where is the proof?
When you find it tell your friends!

[Jrba]

Obviously it’s you that can possibly read but doesn’t intepretate grammar correctly.
You can’t spell or just understand simple dialect.
I have better educated people to socialise with.
Keep up your inaccuracies, be happy telling people your untruths.
Most probably you have no friend to talk to anyway!!

Just a shame that Jeandspo and Dautie are both correct.

really, did you go to the same school also!
Keep telling yourself that!
Where is the proof?
When you find it tell your friends!

Jeandspo, has already posted the regulations.

[Watsonny]

did you read this ?
Struggling ? Get help from a suitable adult.
Proves you wrong .
4 October 2011 – The new specifications of Commission Regulation (EU) N. 1266/2009 solve the “one minute rule” problem.

Obviously it’s you that can possibly read but doesn’t intepretate grammar correctly.
You can’t spell or just understand simple dialect.
I have better educated people to socialise with.
Keep up your inaccuracies, be happy telling people your untruths.
Most probably you have no friend to talk to anyway!!

it’s been interesting
Are you not going to prove us wrong with your accusations before you go though, or are you one of those that accuses people of giving bad ‘advice’, yet walks away without providing any evidence as to why?

I never mentioned second, it was your pal.
Not going to elaborate on it further as obviously you wouldn’t understand.

[Watsonny]

Just a shame that Jeandspo and Dautie are both correct.

really, did you go to the same school also!
Keep telling yourself that!
Where is the proof?
When you find it tell your friends!

Jeandspo, has already posted the regulations.

Everyone on this forum maybe laughing at you lot!
You three wouldn’t last a week under my employment, would have so many infringements, you would be out the door!

[Jrba]

really, did you go to the same school also!
Keep telling yourself that!
Where is the proof?
When you find it tell your friends!

Jeandspo, has already posted the regulations.

Everyone on this forum maybe laughing at you lot!
You three wouldn’t last a week under my employment, would have so many infringements, you would be out the door!

You don't get infringements for taking longer breaks.

[Jrba]

really, did you go to the same school also!
Keep telling yourself that!
Where is the proof?
When you find it tell your friends!

Jeandspo, has already posted the regulations.

Everyone on this forum maybe laughing at you lot!
You three wouldn’t last a week under my employment, would have so many infringements, you would be out the door!

And there are still employers out there that don't pay for any periods of break.

[dautie02]

Obviously it’s you that can possibly read but doesn’t intepretate grammar correctly.
You can’t spell or just understand simple dialect.
I have better educated people to socialise with.
Keep up your inaccuracies, be happy telling people your untruths.
Most probably you have no friend to talk to anyway!!

it’s been interesting
Are you not going to prove us wrong with your accusations before you go though, or are you one of those that accuses people of giving bad ‘advice’, yet walks away without providing any evidence as to why?

I never mentioned second, it was your pal.
Not going to elaborate on it further as obviously you wouldn’t understand.

yet we are all correct, you have been shown the regulations, so we wouldn’t be getting infringements
Again, you have yet to prove any of us to be wrong

[Watsonny]

Jeandspo, has already posted the regulations.

Everyone on this forum maybe laughing at you lot!
You three wouldn’t last a week under my employment, would have so many infringements, you would be out the door!

And there are still employers out there that don't pay for any periods of break.

you are an idiot.

[jeandspo]

Everyone on this forum maybe laughing at you lot!
You three wouldn’t last a week under my employment, would have so many infringements, you would be out the door!

And there are still employers out there that don't pay for any periods of break.

you are an idiot.

this suggests you did mention seconds . I really hope you don’t employ anyone or give out information to anyone

[Watsonny]

it’s been interesting
Are you not going to prove us wrong with your accusations before you go though, or are you one of those that accuses people of giving bad ‘advice’, yet walks away without providing any evidence as to why?

I never mentioned second, it was your pal.
Not going to elaborate on it further as obviously you wouldn’t understand.

yet we are all correct, you have been shown the regulations, so we wouldn’t be getting infringements
Again, you have yet to prove any of us to be wrong

really, read correctly then and you might understand!

[Jrba]

Everyone on this forum maybe laughing at you lot!
You three wouldn’t last a week under my employment, would have so many infringements, you would be out the door!

And there are still employers out there that don't pay for any periods of break.

you are an idiot.

I'm an idiot because I know how a digital tachograph works?

[Watsonny]

And there are still employers out there that don't pay for any periods of break.

you are an idiot.

I'm an idiot because I know how a digital tachograph works?

that’s the thing, you don’t.
I thought this forum was for educated people that know about the transport industry and TM’s. I’m shocked what utter nonsense you are saying…

[dautie02]

you are an idiot.

I'm an idiot because I know how a digital tachograph works?

that’s the thing, you don’t.
I thought this forum was for educated people that know about the transport industry and TM’s. I’m shocked what utter nonsense you are saying…

there’s a sort of pattern here, with many telling you the facts, and only yourself arguing we are all wrong, and with no evidence provided, whereas we have provided the evidence.
God help your employees is all I can say………

[Jrba]

you are an idiot.

I'm an idiot because I know how a digital tachograph works?

that’s the thing, you don’t.
I thought this forum was for educated people that know about the transport industry and TM’s. I’m shocked what utter nonsense you are saying…

What surprises me more is that you're an employer, but for some reason not able to listen to others that know better, and improve your knowledge.

[jeandspo]

I'm an idiot because I know how a digital tachograph works?

that’s the thing, you don’t.
I thought this forum was for educated people that know about the transport industry and TM’s. I’m shocked what utter nonsense you are saying…

there’s a sort of pattern here, with many telling you the facts, and only yourself arguing we are all wrong, and with no evidence provided, whereas we have provided the evidence.
God help your employees is all I can say………

he won’t be employing anyone just another pathetic attempt at trying to justify what he’s said .
What’s the bet he thinks 4.30 drive is an infringement

[dautie02]

that’s the thing, you don’t.
I thought this forum was for educated people that know about the transport industry and TM’s. I’m shocked what utter nonsense you are saying…

there’s a sort of pattern here, with many telling you the facts, and only yourself arguing we are all wrong, and with no evidence provided, whereas we have provided the evidence.
God help your employees is all I can say………

he won’t be employing anyone just another pathetic attempt at trying to justify what he’s said .
What’s the bet he thinks 4.30 drive is an infringement

or you HAVE to take 30 minutes BEFORE reaching 6hrs of working time, and perhaps even he knows of the 9 and 12hr ‘rules’

[rakells]

there’s a sort of pattern here, with many telling you the facts, and only yourself arguing we are all wrong, and with no evidence provided, whereas we have provided the evidence.
God help your employees is all I can say………

he won’t be employing anyone just another pathetic attempt at trying to justify what he’s said .
What’s the bet he thinks 4.30 drive is an infringement

or you HAVE to take 30 minutes BEFORE reaching 6hrs of working time, and perhaps even he knows of the 9 and 12hr ‘rules’

errr dautie, stay in your box mate you obviously have no idea

[Watsonny]

that’s the thing, you don’t.
I thought this forum was for educated people that know about the transport industry and TM’s. I’m shocked what utter nonsense you are saying…

there’s a sort of pattern here, with many telling you the facts, and only yourself arguing we are all wrong, and with no evidence provided, whereas we have provided the evidence.
God help your employees is all I can say………

he won’t be employing anyone just another pathetic attempt at trying to justify what he’s said .
What’s the bet he thinks 4.30 drive is an infringement

you are so stupid, read it again
Just proves my point the text above said it doesn’t I was repeating text above. Interpretation. You better go have a sleep and rest your brain

[Watsonny]

I'm an idiot because I know how a digital tachograph works?

that’s the thing, you don’t.
I thought this forum was for educated people that know about the transport industry and TM’s. I’m shocked what utter nonsense you are saying…

What surprises me more is that you're an employer, but for some reason not able to listen to others that know better, and improve your knowledge.

whatever obviously you don’t

[Watsonny]

that’s the thing, you don’t.
I thought this forum was for educated people that know about the transport industry and TM’s. I’m shocked what utter nonsense you are saying…

there’s a sort of pattern here, with many telling you the facts, and only yourself arguing we are all wrong, and with no evidence provided, whereas we have provided the evidence.
God help your employees is all I can say………

he won’t be employing anyone just another pathetic attempt at trying to justify what he’s said .
What’s the bet he thinks 4.30 drive is an infringement

really,