VEHICLE UNIT ISSUE?

[neplea]

45 on the tacho is 45, not less, not more in whole minutes. Those suggesting that drivers should have 1/2/3 more minutes ‘just to be safe’, there’s no need to on digital tachos, but perhaps there’s a case for that when using analogue………

if I stop at 12:00 but it is actually 12:00:59 and I start to drive at 12:45:00 I have only been stopped for 44 minutes and 1 second. If I looked at the timer in the tacho it will only show 44 minutes but if I look at the clock on the dash it will show 12:45.
Go find ya self an official source.

you just explained it perfectly
The tacho is the correct display the dash may not be
No need for an official source for common sense

[COVANGLo]

I would recommend employing transport manager (real one) with experience on the field.
Clearly you have no idea what you are doing.

[yomuch]

The tacho does things to the nearest minute.
The software does things to the nearest second.
Advise driver to take a 46 minute break or a 16+31 to be on the safe side.

[farrepo]

The tacho does things to the nearest minute.
The software does things to the nearest second.
Advise driver to take a 46 minute break or a 16+31 to be on the safe side.

That's not true, the tacho records the whole calendar minute as what the longest continuous activity in that minute was. There are no seconds, the analysis just uses that tacho data to see if theres any infringements, but again it only seems whole minutes.

[Jrba]

The tacho does things to the nearest minute.
The software does things to the nearest second.
Advise driver to take a 46 minute break or a 16+31 to be on the safe side.

If the VU displays 45 minutes, then it's recorded 45 minutes, and a printout will also show 45 minutes.

[yomuch]

The tacho does things to the nearest minute.
The software does things to the nearest second.
Advise driver to take a 46 minute break or a 16+31 to be on the safe side.

If the VU displays 45 minutes, then it's recorded 45 minutes, and a printout will also show 45 minutes.

yes but if you start your break at 12.00 and 29 seconds and stop your break at 12.45 and second. The tacho will say it’s 45 minutes, but the analysis software will say it’s 44 minutes and 32 seconds. Ie an infringement.
This is why so many comments are saying take 46 or 47. This is a known issue and it’s to do with how the tacho records activities.

[ellusFox]

Best to have a company wide 47 minimum to account for the first and last whole minute. Same goes for the 15 and 30 and make it 17 and 32. That way you won’t have any issues. A couple of minutes is a couple of minutes and won’t make that much of a difference to the journey anyways. What usually does this is for example you stop at 12:00 and end the break at 12:45 but actually it’s 12:00:53 and then 12:45:50. That by all technicality is breaching your 45 minute break. Always add a minute to the start and finish and your well in the clear of any breaches. Your driver is probably right that he did take a 45 but didn’t account for the exact second which is what seems like has happened here.

[yusafo2911]

I am coach driver same thing happened to me…I was waiting for rest almost 45mins but when it reach 45mins on time I started driving guess what it recorded only 15mins rest… this has happened to me not a story..

[dautie02]

The simple way to breaks-and only breaks-is,16 for a 15,31 for a 30 and 46 for a 45,and keep a manual log. It works for me on the driving side of things .

you’ll never get an infringement for too much break.
The simple fact is, 45 on a tacho is 45, and there’s no need for extra minutes.

[grayunn]

The simple way to breaks-and only breaks-is,16 for a 15,31 for a 30 and 46 for a 45,and keep a manual log. It works for me on the driving side of things .

you’ll never get an infringement for too much break.
The simple fact is, 45 on a tacho is 45, and there’s no need for extra minutes.

I know that but I’ve heard it being “advised” at meetings and cpc classes etc. If it puts folks minds at ease then fair enough.

[dautie02]

Supply the drivers with Big Timers. Cheap bit of kit to save on the infringements. Always add an extra min to be safe. The drivers have a hard time out there following rules, being professional, being micro managed within an inch of their lives. Something has to give and that extra minute saves on debriefs and additional training to satisfy the TC. I would actually hate being a driver to be really honest.

you don’t need a ‘big timer’ or an extra minute as it’s there right in front of you in the tacho. When it hits 45 minutes break, that is 45 break, end off.
It was driver error.

[cablect]

Supply the drivers with Big Timers. Cheap bit of kit to save on the infringements. Always add an extra min to be safe. The drivers have a hard time out there following rules, being professional, being micro managed within an inch of their lives. Something has to give and that extra minute saves on debriefs and additional training to satisfy the TC. I would actually hate being a driver to be really honest.

you don’t need a ‘big timer’ or an extra minute as it’s there right in front of you in the tacho. When it hits 45 minutes break, that is 45 break, end off.
It was driver error.

yes I agree driver error. Just had a suggestion that helped my drivers many years ago.

[farrepo]

45 on the tacho is 45, not less, not more in whole minutes. Those suggesting that drivers should have 1/2/3 more minutes ‘just to be safe’, there’s no need to on digital tachos, but perhaps there’s a case for that when using analogue………

if I stop at 12:00 but it is actually 12:00:59 and I start to drive at 12:45:00 I have only been stopped for 44 minutes and 1 second. If I looked at the timer in the tacho it will only show 44 minutes but if I look at the clock on the dash it will show 12:45.
Go find ya self an official source.

it’s not the clock itself you look at, but the amount of break taken, so if it says 44 then you need to wait until it goes to 45, but if it’s 45 then it’s 45, and a qualifying break
Nice try………

Watsonny, blocked me instead of providing proof for anything, people tend to do that when they can't back up their argument

[dautie02]

if I stop at 12:00 but it is actually 12:00:59 and I start to drive at 12:45:00 I have only been stopped for 44 minutes and 1 second. If I looked at the timer in the tacho it will only show 44 minutes but if I look at the clock on the dash it will show 12:45.
Go find ya self an official source.

it’s not the clock itself you look at, but the amount of break taken, so if it says 44 then you need to wait until it goes to 45, but if it’s 45 then it’s 45, and a qualifying break
Nice try………

Watsonny, blocked me instead of providing proof for anything, people tend to do that when they can't back up their argument

I would say he was/is clearly trolling as you and I both know not ONCE did he give an explanation of where my “inaccuracies” lay

[dautie02]

if I stop at 12:00 but it is actually 12:00:59 and I start to drive at 12:45:00 I have only been stopped for 44 minutes and 1 second. If I looked at the timer in the tacho it will only show 44 minutes but if I look at the clock on the dash it will show 12:45.
Go find ya self an official source.

it’s not the clock itself you look at, but the amount of break taken, so if it says 44 then you need to wait until it goes to 45, but if it’s 45 then it’s 45, and a qualifying break
Nice try………

Watsonny, blocked me instead of providing proof for anything, people tend to do that when they can't back up their argument

he seems to have left a couple of other forum quite recently fyi

[Watsonny]

it’s not the clock itself you look at, but the amount of break taken, so if it says 44 then you need to wait until it goes to 45, but if it’s 45 then it’s 45, and a qualifying break
Nice try………

Watsonny, blocked me instead of providing proof for anything, people tend to do that when they can't back up their argument

I would say he was/is clearly trolling as you and I both know not ONCE did he give an explanation of where my “inaccuracies” lay

go away and educate yourself, have had enough of you childish idiocies

[dautie02]

Watsonny, blocked me instead of providing proof for anything, people tend to do that when they can't back up their argument

I would say he was/is clearly trolling as you and I both know not ONCE did he give an explanation of where my “inaccuracies” lay

go away and educate yourself, have had enough of you childish idiocies

it would appear that I AM the educated one here, as I’ve explained how a tacho works, you’ve disagreed with me and said my comments have all been full of inaccuracies, yet, again, you’ve not once explained why. Clearly because you can’t

[Watsonny]

I would say he was/is clearly trolling as you and I both know not ONCE did he give an explanation of where my “inaccuracies” lay

go away and educate yourself, have had enough of you childish idiocies

it would appear that I AM the educated one here, as I’ve explained how a tacho works, you’ve disagreed with me and said my comments have all been full of inaccuracies, yet, again, you’ve not once explained why. Clearly because you can’t

You are just thick, can’t comprehend a passage. Don’t understand that you haven’t a clue, go away read it, understand it, and then sit in a dark room and think about it.
Really don’t understand how thick some people are as to understand simple literature.
Bye!

[dautie02]

go away and educate yourself, have had enough of you childish idiocies

it would appear that I AM the educated one here, as I’ve explained how a tacho works, you’ve disagreed with me and said my comments have all been full of inaccuracies, yet, again, you’ve not once explained why. Clearly because you can’t

You are just thick, can’t comprehend a passage. Don’t understand that you haven’t a clue, go away read it, understand it, and then sit in a dark room and think about it.
Really don’t understand how thick some people are as to understand simple literature.
Bye!

clearly I’m thick then.
Although STILL no one has provided any evidence from an official source to dispute what I’ve said.
Strange that isn’t it

[Watsonny]

it would appear that I AM the educated one here, as I’ve explained how a tacho works, you’ve disagreed with me and said my comments have all been full of inaccuracies, yet, again, you’ve not once explained why. Clearly because you can’t

You are just thick, can’t comprehend a passage. Don’t understand that you haven’t a clue, go away read it, understand it, and then sit in a dark room and think about it.
Really don’t understand how thick some people are as to understand simple literature.
Bye!

clearly I’m thick then.
Although STILL no one has provided any evidence from an official source to dispute what I’ve said.
Strange that isn’t it

I glad you agree

[dautie02]

You are just thick, can’t comprehend a passage. Don’t understand that you haven’t a clue, go away read it, understand it, and then sit in a dark room and think about it.
Really don’t understand how thick some people are as to understand simple literature.
Bye!

clearly I’m thick then.
Although STILL no one has provided any evidence from an official source to dispute what I’ve said.
Strange that isn’t it

I glad you agree

just remind me of my inaccuracies please, as I’m thick and can’t remember what they are……

[Watsonny]

clearly I’m thick then.
Although STILL no one has provided any evidence from an official source to dispute what I’ve said.
Strange that isn’t it

I glad you agree

just remind me of my inaccuracies please, as I’m thick and can’t remember what they are……

read the text, he was an idiot like you.
Extremely special, like you.
Obviously you have problems

[dautie02]

I glad you agree

just remind me of my inaccuracies please, as I’m thick and can’t remember what they are……

read the text, he was an idiot like you.
Extremely special, like you.
Obviously you have problems

so what were the inaccuracies as you’ve still yet to say

[Watsonny]

just remind me of my inaccuracies please, as I’m thick and can’t remember what they are……

read the text, he was an idiot like you.
Extremely special, like you.
Obviously you have problems

so what were the inaccuracies as you’ve still yet to say

bye

[dautie02]

read the text, he was an idiot like you.
Extremely special, like you.
Obviously you have problems

so what were the inaccuracies as you’ve still yet to say

bye

so you aren’t going to tell us all then?

[Watsonny]

so what were the inaccuracies as you’ve still yet to say

bye

so you aren’t going to tell us all then?

Just go read it, how stupid are you!

[dautie02]

bye

so you aren’t going to tell us all then?

Just go read it, how stupid are you!

so that’s still a no then. Is it because there ARE no inaccuracies I wonder

[Watsonny]

so you aren’t going to tell us all then?

Just go read it, how stupid are you!

so that’s still a no then. Is it because there ARE no inaccuracies I wonder

You are a special kind of idiot are you not, so thick you can’t see it.
You must be a bundle of joy to work with. Bye

[yusafo2911]

45 on the tacho is 45, not less, not more in whole minutes. Those suggesting that drivers should have 1/2/3 more minutes ‘just to be safe’, there’s no need to on digital tachos, but perhaps there’s a case for that when using analogue………

if I stop at 12:00 but it is actually 12:00:59 and I start to drive at 12:45:00 I have only been stopped for 44 minutes and 1 second. If I looked at the timer in the tacho it will only show 44 minutes but if I look at the clock on the dash it will show 12:45.
Go find ya self an official source.

it’s not the clock itself you look at, but the amount of break taken, so if it says 44 then you need to wait until it goes to 45, but if it’s 45 then it’s 45, and a qualifying break
Nice try………

i am coach driver same thing happened to me…i was waiting for rest almost 45mins but when it reach 45mins on time I started driving guess what it recorded only 15mins rest… this has happened to me not a story..

[marueso]

I have always been in the habit of talking a 50 min break to avoid this issue.