My old company I use to work for do there CPC courses at weekends and they don't paye you for it right or wrong?

[AndryUrman]

My old company I use to work for do there CPC courses at weekends and they don't paye you for it right or wrong? what's your opinions on this please.

[michaero]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

[AndryUrman]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

[michaero]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

but it also suited you as you didn't have to pay for your cpc

[jasoniz]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

why does it suit them, it’s your card

[Johnixtu]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

did you pay for the course

[AndryUrman]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

but it also suited you as you didn't have to pay for your cpc

to tell you the truth I fell asleep

[MILNESTO]

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

but it also suited you as you didn't have to pay for your cpc

to tell you the truth I fell asleep

its classed as other work. Cant be rest period

[AndryUrman]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

but it also suited you as you didn't have to pay for your cpc

I am glad I am out of lorry driving altogether I started my new career which I am happy with

[COLESHO]

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

but it also suited you as you didn't have to pay for your cpc

I am glad I am out of lorry driving altogether I started my new career which I am happy with

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

[dryian-josh]

but it also suited you as you didn't have to pay for your cpc

I am glad I am out of lorry driving altogether I started my new career which I am happy with

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

started his dream career “ immediately takes to social media to vent about previous career and employer”

[AndryUrman]

but it also suited you as you didn't have to pay for your cpc

I am glad I am out of lorry driving altogether I started my new career which I am happy with

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

It was time wasted to me especially at weekends where I could spend it with my family and friends not in a classroom for 8 hours

[Jukey2913]

I am glad I am out of lorry driving altogether I started my new career which I am happy with

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

It was time wasted to me especially at weekends where I could spend it with my family and friends not in a classroom for 8 hours

but it’s history, digging it back up know won’t get you the time back

[Bondum]

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

It was time wasted to me especially at weekends where I could spend it with my family and friends not in a classroom for 8 hours

but it’s history, digging it back up know won’t get you the time back

it’s 1 day in 365; every year, how’s that a hardship? It’s a drivers qualification so if the company for the course; the driver gives up his day & that seems fair to me!!

[Mowis.Dean]

I am glad I am out of lorry driving altogether I started my new career which I am happy with

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

It was time wasted to me especially at weekends where I could spend it with my family and friends not in a classroom for 8 hours

1 Saturday a year lol

[rickels28]

I am glad I am out of lorry driving altogether I started my new career which I am happy with

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

It was time wasted to me especially at weekends where I could spend it with my family and friends not in a classroom for 8 hours

if you don’t do the hrs, ultimately you won’t be able to drive. No driving means no job. No job means no quality time with the family. It’s a vicious circle. Get over it and get the hrs.

[paul.mitro]

I am glad I am out of lorry driving altogether I started my new career which I am happy with

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

It was time wasted to me especially at weekends where I could spend it with my family and friends not in a classroom for 8 hours

well you should have taken a day off during the week to sit it and paid for it yourself and used up a days holiday. It’s the drivers responsibility to pay for Cpc training it’s your card. Company’s don’t have to pay for it or pay you for the day. But some good company’s do pay for it and pay you for the day but that’s up to the company policy.

[rickels28]

Get over it, because you don't sound like you have

It was time wasted to me especially at weekends where I could spend it with my family and friends not in a classroom for 8 hours

well you should have taken a day off during the week to sit it and paid for it yourself and used up a days holiday. It’s the drivers responsibility to pay for Cpc training it’s your card. Company’s don’t have to pay for it or pay you for the day. But some good company’s do pay for it and pay you for the day but that’s up to the company policy.

We pay our drivers for the day and the course. But we are lucky we can do that.

[maron.dean]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

standard driver behaviour happily taking a course for free then buggering off when it suits

[AndryUrman]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

standard driver behaviour happily taking a course for free then buggering off when it suits

I did left the company lorry driving had enough chose a new career path alot happier

[jasoniz]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

standard driver behaviour happily taking a course for free then buggering off when it suits

I did left the company lorry driving had enough chose a new career path alot happier

so why are you here?

[AndryUrman]

standard driver behaviour happily taking a course for free then buggering off when it suits

I did left the company lorry driving had enough chose a new career path alot happier

so why are you here?

I was a lorry driver once things changed in my life and for the good so I took a different career path follow your dream I did I am happy

[jasoniz]

I did left the company lorry driving had enough chose a new career path alot happier

so why are you here?

I was a lorry driver once things changed in my life and for the good so I took a different career path follow your dream I did I am happy

time to leave the forum then mate go be happy in your new job

[MacGold]

so why are you here?

I was a lorry driver once things changed in my life and for the good so I took a different career path follow your dream I did I am happy

time to leave the forum then mate go be happy in your new job

I heard he’s now a model for gimp gear !

[AndryUrman]

so why are you here?

I was a lorry driver once things changed in my life and for the good so I took a different career path follow your dream I did I am happy

time to leave the forum then mate go be happy in your new job

yes mate I am leaving very happy in my new role good by all

[AndryUrman]

Why do you care if you don't work there anymore?

because I had to do them it messed up your weekendsto suit them

but it also suited you as you didn't have to pay for your cpc

I am retiring to the bar

[Osborney]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

[AndryUrman]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

I wasn't happy with it I think you shut your mouth to.

[jasoniz]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

I wasn't happy with it I think you shut your mouth to.

if your not happy then pay for the Cpc course yourself.

[Osborney]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

I wasn't happy with it I think you shut your mouth to.

what a whopper stop

[AndryUrman]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

I wasn't happy with it I think you shut your mouth to.

what a whopper stop

I have a whopper

[Dorrypt]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

He’s doing that because he’s never driven a lorry just another keyboard prick making a noise

[AndryUrman]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

He’s doing that because he’s never driven a lorry just another keyboard prick making a noise

I use to drive a lorry I left the industry for good I have better myself I have a new career you Lot are jealous

[keitheetc]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

probably a flip flop wants everything for free.

[Angeleuro]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

so if you do it in your time could you ask more per hour then ?

[Osborney]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

so if you do it in your time could you ask more per hour then ?

no because without it I’ll earn zero per hour mate, my responsibility to get it to be able to earn.
Drivers want paying a days wage to do the cpc let’s say that they get £150 a day that’s roughly £170 cost to employer
£50 for a cpc.
£220 per man to put them through, how long would it take them to earn that £220 it’s cost to put you through it?
Hauliers going to the wall every day yet drivers want more and more and more.
And before it’s said that rates need to go up, that means the cost of everything goes up too.

[chrisen]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

Exactly

[MatZin]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

can tell by these comments none of these people know you used to run your own successful haulage firm

[Osborney]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

can tell by these comments none of these people know you used to run your own successful haulage firm

shhh I love them taking the bait

[AndryUrman]

Your getting the cpc for free that technically you should be paying for as the driver, I’d shut your mouth and be happy with it.
Otherwise do it in your own time but also at your own cost.

can tell by these comments none of these people know you used to run your own successful haulage firm

shhh I love them taking the bait

[Kixrk]

Why should they it is your personal CPC

[Iainto]

You could always say no and pay for it yourself and take a day's holiday each year to do it. It is a drivers CPC after all. If they are paying for the course for your personal card then it seems fair to me.

[AndryUrman]

You could always say no and pay for it yourself and take a day's holiday each year to do it. It is a drivers CPC after all. If they are paying for the course for your personal card then it seems fair to me.

ok fair comment i should of done it online instead

[assendbl]

Quite right there paying for something you yourself should keep upto

[pwmaxi]

We pay for our staff and do during the week

[jasoniz]

Our company pays for the course but as the card is yours they expect you to do the course in your own time. Nobody has complained

[LeeShabby]

We do ours at weekend. We pay for the course but the driver get the DCPC for free.

[Saraphey]

Driver CPCs are a drivers own responsibility so the employer doesn’t need to pay you.
Some do and some don’t.
We don’t pay our employees for their time doing them but we do pay for the courses.

[INCHEMON]

The company I work for pays for cpc courses, it’s a day off the road and an early finish. That’s the difference between a good employer and one at the opposite end one that doesn’t even pay for it.
Your example of them paying for it but in a rest day isn’t great but it could be worse if you also had to pay for it.

[Andinfo]

We pay drivers to do the course in work time, employers duty to provide training.

[Halera]

We pay drivers to do the course in work time, employers duty to provide training.

wrong it is the drivers responsibility to ensure they have completed 35 hours training within a 5 year period. It is the employer’s responsibility to ensure it has been completed.
Most companies pay for it now but that isn’t the law.

[Andinfo]

We pay drivers to do the course in work time, employers duty to provide training.

wrong it is the drivers responsibility to ensure they have completed 35 hours training within a 5 year period. It is the employer’s responsibility to ensure it has been completed.
Most companies pay for it now but that isn’t the law.

look at it this way, all other training is paid for screwing a few quid off your staff for a course they need to do their job is just tight. The driver only needs his card to work. Wouldn’t expect staff to pay for anything else.

[Halera]

We pay drivers to do the course in work time, employers duty to provide training.

wrong it is the drivers responsibility to ensure they have completed 35 hours training within a 5 year period. It is the employer’s responsibility to ensure it has been completed.
Most companies pay for it now but that isn’t the law.

look at it this way, all other training is paid for screwing a few quid off your staff for a course they need to do their job is just tight. The driver only needs his card to work. Wouldn’t expect staff to pay for anything else.

I didn’t say I agreed with it just pointed out it isn’t the employer’s responsibility to pay

[timagel]

wrong it is the drivers responsibility to ensure they have completed 35 hours training within a 5 year period. It is the employer’s responsibility to ensure it has been completed.
Most companies pay for it now but that isn’t the law.

look at it this way, all other training is paid for screwing a few quid off your staff for a course they need to do their job is just tight. The driver only needs his card to work. Wouldn’t expect staff to pay for anything else.

I didn’t say I agreed with it just pointed out it isn’t the employer’s responsibility to pay

Neither is what you’ve posted. The H&S expect employers to provide adequate training.

[timagel]

wrong it is the drivers responsibility to ensure they have completed 35 hours training within a 5 year period. It is the employer’s responsibility to ensure it has been completed.
Most companies pay for it now but that isn’t the law.

look at it this way, all other training is paid for screwing a few quid off your staff for a course they need to do their job is just tight. The driver only needs his card to work. Wouldn’t expect staff to pay for anything else.

I didn’t say I agreed with it just pointed out it isn’t the employer’s responsibility to pay

The drivers responsibility is as with the driving licence, without either you can’t drive.

[Halera]

look at it this way, all other training is paid for screwing a few quid off your staff for a course they need to do their job is just tight. The driver only needs his card to work. Wouldn’t expect staff to pay for anything else.

I didn’t say I agreed with it just pointed out it isn’t the employer’s responsibility to pay

The drivers responsibility is as with the driving licence, without either you can’t drive.

read the picture that is from the legislation. So show me where H&S specifically mention it or are you just stabbing in the dark to prove a point?? I deal in facts

[timagel]

I didn’t say I agreed with it just pointed out it isn’t the employer’s responsibility to pay

The drivers responsibility is as with the driving licence, without either you can’t drive.

read the picture that is from the legislation. So show me where H&S specifically mention it or are you just stabbing in the dark to prove a point?? I deal in facts

Your photo is from a private company, what I’ve read is on the H&S website, go have a look. What’s cost to an employer, £8 ish up load

[Halera]

The drivers responsibility is as with the driving licence, without either you can’t drive.

read the picture that is from the legislation. So show me where H&S specifically mention it or are you just stabbing in the dark to prove a point?? I deal in facts

Your photo is from a private company, what I’ve read is on the H&S website, go have a look. What’s cost to an employer, £8 ish up load

it is also replicated on the .gov website
And again show me the H&S page where it states DCPC is employer’s responsibility
Oh and the cost is more than £8 so again your research is very poor

[Halera]

The drivers responsibility is as with the driving licence, without either you can’t drive.

read the picture that is from the legislation. So show me where H&S specifically mention it or are you just stabbing in the dark to prove a point?? I deal in facts

Your photo is from a private company, what I’ve read is on the H&S website, go have a look. What’s cost to an employer, £8 ish up load

There you go .gov clearly states it is your responsibility as the licence holder to keep up your training

[timagel]

read the picture that is from the legislation. So show me where H&S specifically mention it or are you just stabbing in the dark to prove a point?? I deal in facts

Your photo is from a private company, what I’ve read is on the H&S website, go have a look. What’s cost to an employer, £8 ish up load

There you go .gov clearly states it is your responsibility as the licence holder to keep up your training

£8.75 which is in the range of “ ish “. So, I was tuped over to Stobart and they do, along with other employers bespoke training which is approved by the DCPC courses whatever they’re called now. It’s H&S training bundled into a DCPC course is it not?

[Halera]

Your photo is from a private company, what I’ve read is on the H&S website, go have a look. What’s cost to an employer, £8 ish up load

There you go .gov clearly states it is your responsibility as the licence holder to keep up your training

£8.75 which is in the range of “ ish “. So, I was tuped over to Stobart and they do, along with other employers bespoke training which is approved by the DCPC courses whatever they’re called now. It’s H&S training bundled into a DCPC course is it not?

That’s safety training!! Read what it says. DCPC is not safety training it is continuous development training and the £8.75 is just the upload fee the training cost is more.
When you know exactly what you’re talking about then you should comment otherwise false or incorrect information gets mistaken and it evolves into a bigger issue.
Ultimately the DRIVER is responsible to keep his own cpd via the DCPC current and up to date. Employers have taken it upon themselves to kindly pay for it and some even pay the driver to do so!!
My initial point was to educate those complaining that it isn’t a companies responsibility at all.
Ps I don’t hide is open as I have nothing to hide and have been in the transport industry for over 25 years as a driver and worked my way up to senior management so I am suitably qualified to comment.

[timagel]

There you go .gov clearly states it is your responsibility as the licence holder to keep up your training

£8.75 which is in the range of “ ish “. So, I was tuped over to Stobart and they do, along with other employers bespoke training which is approved by the DCPC courses whatever they’re called now. It’s H&S training bundled into a DCPC course is it not?

That’s safety training!! Read what it says. DCPC is not safety training it is continuous development training and the £8.75 is just the upload fee the training cost is more.
When you know exactly what you’re talking about then you should comment otherwise false or incorrect information gets mistaken and it evolves into a bigger issue.
Ultimately the DRIVER is responsible to keep his own cpd via the DCPC current and up to date. Employers have taken it upon themselves to kindly pay for it and some even pay the driver to do so!!
My initial point was to educate those complaining that it isn’t a companies responsibility at all.
Ps I don’t hide is open as I have nothing to hide and have been in the transport industry for over 25 years as a driver and worked my way up to senior management so I am suitably qualified to comment.

And a bespoke cpc module revolving around around strapping, loading numerous types of loads, fire safety etc etc isn’t safety training ? A driver has an incident and gets injured and puts a claim in , first thing a solicitor asks is “ Have you been trained ? “ I think the only course relevant to driving that you couldn’t call safety training is the driving hours and regs. I do know what I’m talking about unlike some transport mangers I’ve come across who talk utter shi** . Example, running on print offs with defective tacho card, apparently I can run from day 3 as that’s the day I notified dvla so that would give me 17 days in effect Erm, no, it’s from the first print out. Then I’ve to sign a section 88 as I’m running on print outs Again talking crap. Be sat and listened to driver trainers, DCPC trainers and think you don’t know what your on about and putting drivers at risk. Best DCPC trainer I know of, peach27, knows his stuff and he’s precise. You go on his courses and you’ll learn something. I’m pretty sure it’s him who said he thinks along with a lot of officials in the sector think employers should pay for it. We can argue all day about it, I’ve pointed out most DCPC courses aren’t specific to driving but revolve around safety so surely that comes under the requirement that employers should be paying for it. I suppose it comes down to what type of transport manager you are, the best ones I’ve worked with and definitely would again get the higher management to budget for this training. Also you know nothing about me or what courses I’ve attended and completed, far more intense than some of these jokers are putting out as DCPC courses.

[Halera]

£8.75 which is in the range of “ ish “. So, I was tuped over to Stobart and they do, along with other employers bespoke training which is approved by the DCPC courses whatever they’re called now. It’s H&S training bundled into a DCPC course is it not?

That’s safety training!! Read what it says. DCPC is not safety training it is continuous development training and the £8.75 is just the upload fee the training cost is more.
When you know exactly what you’re talking about then you should comment otherwise false or incorrect information gets mistaken and it evolves into a bigger issue.
Ultimately the DRIVER is responsible to keep his own cpd via the DCPC current and up to date. Employers have taken it upon themselves to kindly pay for it and some even pay the driver to do so!!
My initial point was to educate those complaining that it isn’t a companies responsibility at all.
Ps I don’t hide is open as I have nothing to hide and have been in the transport industry for over 25 years as a driver and worked my way up to senior management so I am suitably qualified to comment.

And a bespoke cpc module revolving around around strapping, loading numerous types of loads, fire safety etc etc isn’t safety training ? A driver has an incident and gets injured and puts a claim in , first thing a solicitor asks is “ Have you been trained ? “ I think the only course relevant to driving that you couldn’t call safety training is the driving hours and regs. I do know what I’m talking about unlike some transport mangers I’ve come across who talk utter shi** . Example, running on print offs with defective tacho card, apparently I can run from day 3 as that’s the day I notified dvla so that would give me 17 days in effect Erm, no, it’s from the first print out. Then I’ve to sign a section 88 as I’m running on print outs Again talking crap. Be sat and listened to driver trainers, DCPC trainers and think you don’t know what your on about and putting drivers at risk. Best DCPC trainer I know of, peach27, knows his stuff and he’s precise. You go on his courses and you’ll learn something. I’m pretty sure it’s him who said he thinks along with a lot of officials in the sector think employers should pay for it. We can argue all day about it, I’ve pointed out most DCPC courses aren’t specific to driving but revolve around safety so surely that comes under the requirement that employers should be paying for it. I suppose it comes down to what type of transport manager you are, the best ones I’ve worked with and definitely would again get the higher management to budget for this training. Also you know nothing about me or what courses I’ve attended and completed, far more intense than some of these jokers are putting out as DCPC courses.

So again all of this relates to what? You have again missed the original point

[lucozy]

That’s safety training!! Read what it says. DCPC is not safety training it is continuous development training and the £8.75 is just the upload fee the training cost is more.
When you know exactly what you’re talking about then you should comment otherwise false or incorrect information gets mistaken and it evolves into a bigger issue.
Ultimately the DRIVER is responsible to keep his own cpd via the DCPC current and up to date. Employers have taken it upon themselves to kindly pay for it and some even pay the driver to do so!!
My initial point was to educate those complaining that it isn’t a companies responsibility at all.
Ps I don’t hide is open as I have nothing to hide and have been in the transport industry for over 25 years as a driver and worked my way up to senior management so I am suitably qualified to comment.

And a bespoke cpc module revolving around around strapping, loading numerous types of loads, fire safety etc etc isn’t safety training ? A driver has an incident and gets injured and puts a claim in , first thing a solicitor asks is “ Have you been trained ? “ I think the only course relevant to driving that you couldn’t call safety training is the driving hours and regs. I do know what I’m talking about unlike some transport mangers I’ve come across who talk utter shi** . Example, running on print offs with defective tacho card, apparently I can run from day 3 as that’s the day I notified dvla so that would give me 17 days in effect Erm, no, it’s from the first print out. Then I’ve to sign a section 88 as I’m running on print outs Again talking crap. Be sat and listened to driver trainers, DCPC trainers and think you don’t know what your on about and putting drivers at risk. Best DCPC trainer I know of, peach27, knows his stuff and he’s precise. You go on his courses and you’ll learn something. I’m pretty sure it’s him who said he thinks along with a lot of officials in the sector think employers should pay for it. We can argue all day about it, I’ve pointed out most DCPC courses aren’t specific to driving but revolve around safety so surely that comes under the requirement that employers should be paying for it. I suppose it comes down to what type of transport manager you are, the best ones I’ve worked with and definitely would again get the higher management to budget for this training. Also you know nothing about me or what courses I’ve attended and completed, far more intense than some of these jokers are putting out as DCPC courses.

So again all of this relates to what? You have again missed the original point

It isn’t but it should be

[Pauanze]

We pay drivers to do the course in work time, employers duty to provide training.

It definitely isn't the employers duty. It's a personal qualification and a personal responsibility.
I pay for my drivers modules as a courtesy but I expect them to be done in their own time.

[shelle_yeo]

Another way to look at it you don’t have a driver cpc you don’t have a job simples we do ours in our own time and company pays for it this also includes lunch. Our company does make sure all the drivers are free on the days that they would like booked for it.

[AndryUrman]

Another way to look at it you don’t have a driver cpc you don’t have a job simples we do ours in our own time and company pays for it this also includes lunch. Our company does make sure all the drivers are free on the days that they would like booked for it.

well I am out of the industry for good doing something else with my life

[preson_kay]

Another way to look at it you don’t have a driver cpc you don’t have a job simples we do ours in our own time and company pays for it this also includes lunch. Our company does make sure all the drivers are free on the days that they would like booked for it.

well I am out of the industry for good doing something else with my life

well keep off these forum then and do us all a £**king favour

[AndryUrman]

Another way to look at it you don’t have a driver cpc you don’t have a job simples we do ours in our own time and company pays for it this also includes lunch. Our company does make sure all the drivers are free on the days that they would like booked for it.

well I am out of the industry for good doing something else with my life

well keep off these forum then and do us all a £**king favour

your stuck in the industry I am out of it

[preson_kay]

well I am out of the industry for good doing something else with my life

well keep off these forum then and do us all a £**king favour

your stuck in the industry I am out of it

U Clown u don't even know what I do.

[AndryUrman]

well keep off these forum then and do us all a £**king favour

your stuck in the industry I am out of it

U Clown u don't even know what I do.

not bothered what you do don't give a sh** mate

[AndryUrman]

well keep off these forum then and do us all a £**king favour

your stuck in the industry I am out of it

U Clown u don't even know what I do.

If I am clown I join the circus then

[AndryUrman]

well keep off these forum then and do us all a £**king favour

your stuck in the industry I am out of it

U Clown u don't even know what I do.

[Mowis.Dean]

well I am out of the industry for good doing something else with my life

well keep off these forum then and do us all a £**king favour

your stuck in the industry I am out of it

and your point is ?

[lucozy]

well I am out of the industry for good doing something else with my life

well keep off these forum then and do us all a £**king favour

your stuck in the industry I am out of it

Yes I’ve heard Only Fans can be profitable. Good luck to you