I'm just doing refreshing info about work hours directive and I usually hear about long hours for drivers like,

[Scott28]

I'm just doing refreshing info about work hours directive and I usually hear about long hours for drivers like 12 -14 h a day but how that is possible if in reference period (17 weeks or 26) you can not exceed 48 h of work? Can someone explain it to me? How I could reach any overtime with those hours?
Thanks a lot

[MgbNip]

Poa. And breaks don't count on the WTD. Only other work and driving. Count. That's why

[Pottsus]

Do some research, buy a drivers handbook or visit the https://www.gov.uk/ website.

[Darense]

Basically people are just whining about split shifts and similar patterns that give you a long day due to a long break.
They should try driving a local service bus under domestic rules; up to 10 hours of driving every day and 13 days in a row giving you 130 hours of driving in any two week period. Quite a jump from the 90 hours under EU rules. Daily rest is 10 hours and can be reduced to 8.5 hours three times a week. Maximum spread over is 16 hours.
The number of times I've been forced to take that 8.5 hour break three days in a row is just ridiculous. By the time you get home and eat and shower etc., you're lucky to get 5 hours sleep and then you have to go back and do another 10 hours driving which is typically spread over a 12-14 hour day. And each new day your shift starts a few hours earlier than the previous day.

[Ichners]

Basically people are just whining about split shifts and similar patterns that give you a long day due to a long break.
They should try driving a local service bus under domestic rules; up to 10 hours of driving every day and 13 days in a row giving you 130 hours of driving in any two week period. Quite a jump from the 90 hours under EU rules. Daily rest is 10 hours and can be reduced to 8.5 hours three times a week. Maximum spread over is 16 hours.
The number of times I've been forced to take that 8.5 hour break three days in a row is just ridiculous. By the time you get home and eat and shower etc., you're lucky to get 5 hours sleep and then you have to go back and do another 10 hours driving which is typically spread over a 12-14 hour day. And each new day your shift starts a few hours earlier than the previous day.

no offense mate, but no one can FORCE you to do that, it is YOUR choice to put up with it

[Darense]

Basically people are just whining about split shifts and similar patterns that give you a long day due to a long break.
They should try driving a local service bus under domestic rules; up to 10 hours of driving every day and 13 days in a row giving you 130 hours of driving in any two week period. Quite a jump from the 90 hours under EU rules. Daily rest is 10 hours and can be reduced to 8.5 hours three times a week. Maximum spread over is 16 hours.
The number of times I've been forced to take that 8.5 hour break three days in a row is just ridiculous. By the time you get home and eat and shower etc., you're lucky to get 5 hours sleep and then you have to go back and do another 10 hours driving which is typically spread over a 12-14 hour day. And each new day your shift starts a few hours earlier than the previous day.

no offense mate, but no one can FORCE you to do that, it is YOUR choice to put up with it

That's fair point, but if that's your job and you need to go to work then you have to do the duty that's allocated to you. It's also part of why I got my LGV, so I can leave the buses behind.
I used to do coaches under EU rules and that was so much better than buses but it pays less per hour and you can't do as many hours so your weekly wages are noticeably lower.

[Rakkarzo]

Basically people are just whining about split shifts and similar patterns that give you a long day due to a long break.
They should try driving a local service bus under domestic rules; up to 10 hours of driving every day and 13 days in a row giving you 130 hours of driving in any two week period. Quite a jump from the 90 hours under EU rules. Daily rest is 10 hours and can be reduced to 8.5 hours three times a week. Maximum spread over is 16 hours.
The number of times I've been forced to take that 8.5 hour break three days in a row is just ridiculous. By the time you get home and eat and shower etc., you're lucky to get 5 hours sleep and then you have to go back and do another 10 hours driving which is typically spread over a 12-14 hour day. And each new day your shift starts a few hours earlier than the previous day.

no offense mate, but no one can FORCE you to do that, it is YOUR choice to put up with it

they build it into the union agreed shift pattern totally different from Truck driving

[haylan]

Basically people are just whining about split shifts and similar patterns that give you a long day due to a long break.
They should try driving a local service bus under domestic rules; up to 10 hours of driving every day and 13 days in a row giving you 130 hours of driving in any two week period. Quite a jump from the 90 hours under EU rules. Daily rest is 10 hours and can be reduced to 8.5 hours three times a week. Maximum spread over is 16 hours.
The number of times I've been forced to take that 8.5 hour break three days in a row is just ridiculous. By the time you get home and eat and shower etc., you're lucky to get 5 hours sleep and then you have to go back and do another 10 hours driving which is typically spread over a 12-14 hour day. And each new day your shift starts a few hours earlier than the previous day.

no offense mate, but no one can FORCE you to do that, it is YOUR choice to put up with it

they build it into the union agreed shift pattern totally different from Truck driving

It should be changed we are not in the eu anymore

[Penroxe]

15 hour days should be outlawed, it's criminal.

[Craigen]

15 hour days should be outlawed, it's criminal.

not if you're paid hourly and want to slam in the hours in minimal days

[adrianco]

15 hour days should be outlawed, it's criminal.

na, just outlaw taxation then we'd all be wanting to work all the hours we can

[daznum]

Possible as only actual working time is included so you can greatly reduce this using poa and breaks eg if you’ve been sat on bays for 4 hours and then had a 45 break too your 15 hour day is actually only 10 and qtr hours

[nevardin]

Possible as only actual working time is included so you can greatly reduce this using poa and breaks eg if you’ve been sat on bays for 4 hours and then had a 45 break too your 15 hour day is actually only 10 and qtr hours

which IMO shouldn’t be allowed.

[daznum]

Possible as only actual working time is included so you can greatly reduce this using poa and breaks eg if you’ve been sat on bays for 4 hours and then had a 45 break too your 15 hour day is actually only 10 and qtr hours

which IMO shouldn’t be allowed.

why?

[nevardin]

Possible as only actual working time is included so you can greatly reduce this using poa and breaks eg if you’ve been sat on bays for 4 hours and then had a 45 break too your 15 hour day is actually only 10 and qtr hours

which IMO shouldn’t be allowed.

why?

if you have to ask then Im probably wasting my time explaining it.
Basically POA is used to get around the working time rules..........and in my mind even if POA thats still "working" as it means I can put in more hours and spend more time away from home/family.
I mean seriously who actually wants to work more?

[daznum]

which IMO shouldn’t be allowed.

why?

if you have to ask then Im probably wasting my time explaining it.
Basically POA is used to get around the working time rules..........and in my mind even if POA thats still "working" as it means I can put in more hours and spend more time away from home/family.
I mean seriously who actually wants to work more?

oh I agree but the way DC’s are for having you sat around for hours if the tacho only recorded as drive or other work when on bays you could drive only an hour to your first job plus the half hour in the yard doing checks then 5 hours on a bay and you’d have gone over wtd despite the fact you’ve been asleep ( potentially ) for 4/5 hours.

[nevardin]

why?

if you have to ask then Im probably wasting my time explaining it.
Basically POA is used to get around the working time rules..........and in my mind even if POA thats still "working" as it means I can put in more hours and spend more time away from home/family.
I mean seriously who actually wants to work more?

oh I agree but the way DC’s are for having you sat around for hours if the tacho only recorded as drive or other work when on bays you could drive only an hour to your first job plus the half hour in the yard doing checks then 5 hours on a bay and you’d have gone over wtd despite the fact you’ve been asleep ( potentially ) for 4/5 hours.

If there was no such thing as POA then RDCs and the like simply wouldnt be able to keep you waiting around for hours........
I know there are some that want to do 60+ hours a week, but Im not one of those

[daznum]

if you have to ask then Im probably wasting my time explaining it.
Basically POA is used to get around the working time rules..........and in my mind even if POA thats still "working" as it means I can put in more hours and spend more time away from home/family.
I mean seriously who actually wants to work more?

oh I agree but the way DC’s are for having you sat around for hours if the tacho only recorded as drive or other work when on bays you could drive only an hour to your first job plus the half hour in the yard doing checks then 5 hours on a bay and you’d have gone over wtd despite the fact you’ve been asleep ( potentially ) for 4/5 hours.

If there was no such thing as POA then RDCs and the like simply wouldnt be able to keep you waiting around for hours........
I know there are some that want to do 60+ hours a week, but Im not one of those

me neither but I use poa as a tool for myself not to help the company or the rdc’s more so i can actually finish earlier by not having to take extra breaks

[nevardin]

oh I agree but the way DC’s are for having you sat around for hours if the tacho only recorded as drive or other work when on bays you could drive only an hour to your first job plus the half hour in the yard doing checks then 5 hours on a bay and you’d have gone over wtd despite the fact you’ve been asleep ( potentially ) for 4/5 hours.

If there was no such thing as POA then RDCs and the like simply wouldnt be able to keep you waiting around for hours........
I know there are some that want to do 60+ hours a week, but Im not one of those

me neither but I use poa as a tool for myself not to help the company or the rdc’s more so i can actually finish earlier by not having to take extra breaks

I refuse to use POA, in fact the company I work for doesn’t insist upon it anyway.

[daznum]

If there was no such thing as POA then RDCs and the like simply wouldnt be able to keep you waiting around for hours........
I know there are some that want to do 60+ hours a week, but Im not one of those

me neither but I use poa as a tool for myself not to help the company or the rdc’s more so i can actually finish earlier by not having to take extra breaks

I refuse to use POA, in fact the company I work for doesn’t insist upon it anyway.

doesn’t insist upon it or insists you don’t use it ? So what if you got sat on a bay fior 3/4/5/ hours you’d just take an infringement?

[nevardin]

me neither but I use poa as a tool for myself not to help the company or the rdc’s more so i can actually finish earlier by not having to take extra breaks

I refuse to use POA, in fact the company I work for doesn’t insist upon it anyway.

doesn’t insist upon it or insists you don’t use it ? So what if you got sat on a bay fior 3/4/5/ hours you’d just take an infringement?

would never happen in my job. Never any need for us to use it.

[daznum]

I refuse to use POA, in fact the company I work for doesn’t insist upon it anyway.

doesn’t insist upon it or insists you don’t use it ? So what if you got sat on a bay fior 3/4/5/ hours you’d just take an infringement?

would never happen in my job. Never any need for us to use it.

lucky you fair enough then

[nevardin]

doesn’t insist upon it or insists you don’t use it ? So what if you got sat on a bay fior 3/4/5/ hours you’d just take an infringement?

would never happen in my job. Never any need for us to use it.

lucky you fair enough then

the last company I worked for didn’t like us using it, and that involved waiting on bays sometimes. Just got told to make sure of taking the WTD breaks

[crossin]

Use poa

[Joeerno]

Use poa

pay overtime arse

[crossin]

Use poa

pay overtime arse

Use POA so people who need overtime can get it.. I bet you drive for Stobart...

[nevardin]

Use poa

mmmm……so you can spend even more time at work

[crossin]

Use poa

mmmm……so you can spend even more time at work

So you can do overtime if you need it.....

[rimmut]

Use poa

i hate the poa clause. We wouldn't ask ppl to flip burgers for 15 hours and go onto poa when there are no customers to pad there day out so shouldn't expect driver to either

[crossin]

Use poa

i hate the poa clause. We wouldn't ask ppl to flip burgers for 15 hours and go onto poa when there are no customers to pad there day out so shouldn't expect driver to either

Agreed.....But some young'uns rely on overtime...And using poa is the only option to keep wtd intact.....

[paueye36]

you can opt out of the 48hr working rule

[marcium]

you can opt out of the 48hr working rule

I thought so too but apparently not

[Joeerno]

you can opt out of the 48hr working rule

I thought so too but apparently not

exactly you can't opt out of the 60 hours 48 average the only thing you can opt out of is the 10 hour night drive limit

[robblic]

you can opt out of the 48hr working rule

yeah you can’t opt out of the 48 hr average working week.
Funny when I see the opt out in a contract.

[Rakkarzo]

you can opt out of the 48hr working rule

yeah you can’t opt out of the 48 hr average working week.
Funny when I see the opt out in a contract.

thought under UK employment law you could no longer opt out if you were a night worker

[robblic]

you can opt out of the 48hr working rule

yeah you can’t opt out of the 48 hr average working week.
Funny when I see the opt out in a contract.

thought under UK employment law you could no longer opt out if you were a night worker

can’t opt out of 48 hour average. Think you can opt out of max 10 hrs night work though

[paueye36]

yeah you can’t opt out of the 48 hr average working week.
Funny when I see the opt out in a contract.

thought under UK employment law you could no longer opt out if you were a night worker

can’t opt out of 48 hour average. Think you can opt out of max 10 hrs night work though

The reference period for calculating the 48-hour week is normally 17 weeks, but it can be extended to 26 weeks if this is permitted under a collective or workforce agreement. Breaks and periods of availability do not count towards the 48 hr working week, the rest of Europe truck tachometers revert to POA when they stop rather than other work for this very reason

[danienn]

When you run out of hours you ..got to be stood down... paid to stay home

[Joeerno]

When you run out of hours you ..got to be stood down... paid to stay home

wrong your employer has no obligation to pay you to stay home to bring your hours down to 48 hour average and in fact thats illegal but the odds of the employer getting caught are low

[Toasco]

https://www.transportsfriend.org/driver ... ime-rules/

[KCassm]

36hours 23 mins driving in a fortnight = 115 hours paid thanks to POA and breaks