Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

[Lynnco801]

Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho,
If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at 04:00 do I need to do a manual entry for 14 minutes, bearing in mind if we clock on at 03:46 we don't get paid until 04:00

[peteForReal]

Yes you clock in time is when you start shift

[Lynnco801]

Yes you clock in time is when you start shift

why if I'm not on pay

[peteForReal]

Yes you clock in time is when you start shift

why if I'm not on pay

Duty time all other work must be accounted for i.e booking on getting paperwork walking to vehicle

[peteForReal]

Yes you clock in time is when you start shift

why if I'm not on pay

If paid from 4 why go in early?

[Lynnco801]

Yes you clock in time is when you start shift

why if I'm not on pay

If paid from 4 why go in early?

it's just the time I get there

[Delmo-Prep]

why if I'm not on pay

If paid from 4 why go in early?

it's just the time I get there

sit in your car till 03.59 then

[jo3hnower]

Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.

[Lynnco801]

Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.

but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes

[jo3hnower]

Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.

but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes

so manual entry of other work for the time it takes you to clock on then manual entry of break for the remainder.

[JaayUnco]

Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.

but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes

get in a 4:15 then manual entry back to 4. Simple haha

[geotors802]

that’s your fault unfortunately.

[Lynnco801]

Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.

but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes

get in a 4:15 then manual entry back to 4. Simple haha

then I'd loose 15 minutes pay every day

[JaayUnco]

but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes

get in a 4:15 then manual entry back to 4. Simple haha

then I'd loose 15 minutes pay every day

how? You dont get paid for a manual entry which technically you should do?

[Marty.Asta]

get in a 4:15 then manual entry back to 4. Simple haha

then I'd loose 15 minutes pay every day

how? You dont get paid for a manual entry which technically you should do?

Thanks for the money!

[JaayUnco]

then I'd loose 15 minutes pay every day

how? You dont get paid for a manual entry which technically you should do?

Thanks for the money!

if i drive to work and pull up at the office to get my job details, then have to drive down to the yard to get keys and truck im knocking tacho back 10 mins cos im doing work related things. It aint free for me to be at work getting stuff so im getting paid for it haha

[Marty.Asta]

how? You dont get paid for a manual entry which technically you should do?

Thanks for the money!

if i drive to work and pull up at the office to get my job details, then have to drive down to the yard to get keys and truck im knocking tacho back 10 mins cos im doing work related things. It aint free for me to be at work getting stuff so im getting paid for it haha

this is me if I'm in car park I'm at work joys of being a temporary worker my foot steps out the van and I'm at work

[kevBBiomach]

If you clock on at 3.45 do you get paid? If so pop your time back till then

[Lynnco801]

If you clock on at 3.45 do you get paid? If so pop your time back till then

yes but that not my point lol

[kevBBiomach]

If you clock on at 3.45 do you get paid? If so pop your time back till then

yes but that not my point lol

then yes still "should" do manual entry to the time you clock on as that's the time you started work.

[Lynnco801]

If you clock on at 3.45 do you get paid? If so pop your time back till then

yes but that not my point lol

then yes still "should" do manual entry to the time you clock on as that's the time you started work.

but I'm not working until 04:00

[kevBBiomach]

yes but that not my point lol

then yes still "should" do manual entry to the time you clock on as that's the time you started work.

but I'm not working until 04:00

but you have arrived and clocked on and then walked to your truck, so don't clock on till 4am on the dot

[STEVERGEN]

Clock in at four put your card in after then manual entry

[waremo803]

If you don't get paid before 4 then card in after 4 and manual entry from 4. Anything before get a coffee don't do any work

[Rogs_Nones]

You have to show at least 10mins on card for walk round checks, cant do it off card

[scatt5kare]

When and where you get paid isn’t in consideration when it comes to tachograph rules, Only if you’re working or not

[Lynnco801]

When and where you get paid isn’t in consideration when it comes to tachograph rules, Only if you’re working or not

that's my point, I'm not working until 04:00 but I have clocked in

[LEONIXTU]

When and where you get paid isn’t in consideration when it comes to tachograph rules, Only if you’re working or not

that's my point, I'm not working until 04:00 but I have clocked in

but you collect keys and paperwork etc before you get to the truck don't you?

[Lynnco801]

When and where you get paid isn’t in consideration when it comes to tachograph rules, Only if you’re working or not

that's my point, I'm not working until 04:00 but I have clocked in

but you collect keys and paperwork etc before you get to the truck don't you?

that takes literally 1 minute

[LEONIXTU]

that's my point, I'm not working until 04:00 but I have clocked in

but you collect keys and paperwork etc before you get to the truck don't you?

that takes literally 1 minute

you've clocked in at 0346. You've reported to the desk and picked up keys and paperwork. It's taken 1 minute. Is it now say 0350? Well then effectively, you're on duty. Dude, if you want to give your employer 15 minutes unpaid every day that's up to you but technically you're on duty

[Lynnco801]

but you collect keys and paperwork etc before you get to the truck don't you?

that takes literally 1 minute

you've clocked in at 0346. You've reported to the desk and picked up keys and paperwork. It's taken 1 minute. Is it now say 0350? Well then effectively, you're on duty. Dude, if you want to give your employer 15 minutes unpaid every day that's up to you but technically you're on duty

your not getting what I said, I don't do anything until 4am

[LEONIXTU]

that takes literally 1 minute

you've clocked in at 0346. You've reported to the desk and picked up keys and paperwork. It's taken 1 minute. Is it now say 0350? Well then effectively, you're on duty. Dude, if you want to give your employer 15 minutes unpaid every day that's up to you but technically you're on duty

your not getting what I said, I don't do anything until 4am

ah right, well in that case I'd agree with you. I do exactly the same. If I start at say 0630 I'm normally through the gate and clocked in at least 10 mins earlier. I won't get issued keys or paperwork until 0630. I may not get to the truck and put my card in until maybe 0645. My manual entry then includes some time after my previous shift to cover debrief. Then a rest period. And then shift start to coincide with my start time. I must point out though that there is never a case where a manual entry isn't required.

[chrisog-ph]

Yes I don’t move until my clock in time then do manual entry at the time you officially start never go to truck before

[Fiellent804]

Yes....As it's still work.

[griff.purple]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

[Lynnco801]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

that's exactly my point, that's what I do, it's the company complicating it

[LEONIXTU]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now

[MateixProud]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now

mate don't there among us

[griff.purple]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now

so whenever your home at the weekend do you do a manual entry for cuttin the grass lol

[LEONIXTU]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now

so whenever your home at the weekend do you do a manual entry for cuttin the grass lol

no but when I return to work o do a manual entry to say I've been on rest. The funny part is, it looks like you do as well. You just don't know it

[Lynnco801]

it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now

so whenever your home at the weekend do you do a manual entry for cuttin the grass lol

no but when I return to work o do a manual entry to say I've been on rest. The funny part is, it looks like you do as well. You just don't know it

just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day

[LEONIXTU]

so whenever your home at the weekend do you do a manual entry for cuttin the grass lol

no but when I return to work o do a manual entry to say I've been on rest. The funny part is, it looks like you do as well. You just don't know it

just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day

the certainly aren't stupid. Dude, the rule has been in force since August 2020

[Lynnco801]

no but when I return to work o do a manual entry to say I've been on rest. The funny part is, it looks like you do as well. You just don't know it

just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day

the certainly aren't stupid. Dude, the rule has been in force since August 2020

I know but they know if you select rest and take your card out until next day they know you have been on rest all that time

[LEONIXTU]

just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day

the certainly aren't stupid. Dude, the rule has been in force since August 2020

I know but they know if you select rest and take your card out until next day they know you have been on rest all that time

they also know that they could fine you for not doing it bud

[griff.purple]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now

mate don't there among us

so tell us what am I doing wrong?

[dariu6lont]

just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day

the certainly aren't stupid. Dude, the rule has been in force since August 2020

I know but they know if you select rest and take your card out until next day they know you have been on rest all that time

that’s all fine and well so long as your not doing work that you are been payed for by your company when you have your card out

[BarrzIInsider]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?

[kayett_mao]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?

I just push ok myself

[griff.purple]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?

hit yes as i was not at work

[BarrzIInsider]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?

hit yes as i was not at work

that’s a manual entry

[BarrzIInsider]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?

I just push ok myself

that’s a manual entry

[LEONIXTU]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?

I just push ok myself

so you do a manual entry then! The difference is, your equipment helps you. Now, the next question is this. Is all of that period actually rest?

[kayett_mao]

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?

I just push ok myself

so you do a manual entry then! The difference is, your equipment helps you. Now, the next question is this. Is all of that period actually rest?

I put card in at 4.05 leave it on cross hammers for 15 mins to show I've done my walk around check then i set off

[griff.purple]

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?

I just push ok myself

that’s a manual entry

I didn’t physically change my start time on the machine tho thats what the post is about and thats what i meant. Ive never felt the need to do that

[BarrzIInsider]

I just push ok myself

that’s a manual entry

I didn’t physically change my start time on the machine tho thats what the post is about and thats what i meant. Ive never felt the need to do that

by simply selecting rest until now is a manual entry.
If you collect keys and paperwork etc then you should be doing a manual entry for that time.

[griff.purple]

that’s a manual entry

I didn’t physically change my start time on the machine tho thats what the post is about and thats what i meant. Ive never felt the need to do that

by simply selecting rest until now is a manual entry.
If you collect keys and paperwork etc then you should be doing a manual entry for that time.

but the truck automatically does that im
Just confirming yes I thought a manual entry was changing the start time back manually lol

[BarrzIInsider]

I didn’t physically change my start time on the machine tho thats what the post is about and thats what i meant. Ive never felt the need to do that

by simply selecting rest until now is a manual entry.
If you collect keys and paperwork etc then you should be doing a manual entry for that time.

but the truck automatically does that im
Just confirming yes I thought a manual entry was changing the start time back manually lol

it’s asking a question “rest until now” select ok is a manual entry, however before you do that if you collect keys etc you should be adding a manual entry for the time it took you to do that

[Lynnco801]

by simply selecting rest until now is a manual entry.
If you collect keys and paperwork etc then you should be doing a manual entry for that time.

but the truck automatically does that im
Just confirming yes I thought a manual entry was changing the start time back manually lol

it’s asking a question “rest until now” select ok is a manual entry, however before you do that if you collect keys etc you should be adding a manual entry for the time it took you to do that

the night shunter leaves my keys in the truck for me

[BarrzIInsider]

but the truck automatically does that im
Just confirming yes I thought a manual entry was changing the start time back manually lol

it’s asking a question “rest until now” select ok is a manual entry, however before you do that if you collect keys etc you should be adding a manual entry for the time it took you to do that

the night shunter leaves my keys in the truck for me

it’s just an example of the work you need to account for.

[DavoTHemp]

I just push ok myself

so you do a manual entry then! The difference is, your equipment helps you. Now, the next question is this. Is all of that period actually rest?

I put card in at 4.05 leave it on cross hammers for 15 mins to show I've done my walk around check then i set off

the manual entry is for anything you done once getting to your place of work, get keys, paperwork, talk to your boss time walking from the gates to your truck, this has been a requirement for a long time now, getting straight in after a full 45 and putting your card in is not the way to do it I'm afraid. you may never get stopped for it but if you do it can cause you a whole lot of hassle.

[b9riands]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's a legal requirement to do manual entries.

[griff.purple]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's a legal requirement to do manual entries.

i know that if you do work before getting in the truck but I don’t

[b9riands]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's a legal requirement to do manual entries.

i know that if you do work before getting in the truck but I don’t

so where do you find your keys, or paperwork?

[griff.purple]

it's a legal requirement to do manual entries.

i know that if you do work before getting in the truck but I don’t

so where do you find your keys, or paperwork?

in my pocket and i get sent a txt where to go

[Lynnco801]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

it's a legal requirement to do manual entries.

my keys are left in the truck by the night shunter

[YANCHIANT]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

you still have to do a manual entry EVERY time you put a card in to show your overnight rest, or you get a? On a printout!!!!

[griff.purple]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

you still have to do a manual entry EVERY time you put a card in to show your overnight rest, or you get a? On a printout!!!!

an automatic yes does me I don’t manually put the time back.

[navenFFlex]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

what about your lead in and lead out times? DVSA are well aware that you arrive, clock in, get your paperwork etc. then you walk to your vehicle and put your tachograph card in, and record your manual entries for your last shift lead out time, your daily/weekly rest and your activities you've done today until you inserted your tachograph card. Then you would do the things like your walk around checks, fill in any defect sheets etc. This is why you do your manual entries.

To not do them is basically falsifying your tachograph records, these are supposed to accurately reflect the activities you have partaken in.
So you may believe that your life is simple and easy, but DVSA will probably hang you for it.

[griff.purple]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

what about your lead in and lead out times? DVSA are well aware that you arrive, clock in, get your paperwork etc. then you walk to your vehicle and put your tachograph card in, and record your manual entries for your last shift lead out time, your daily/weekly rest and your activities you've done today until you inserted your tachograph card. Then you would do the things like your walk around checks, fill in any defect sheets etc. This is why you do your manual entries.

To not do them is basically falsifying your tachograph records, these are supposed to accurately reflect the activities you have partaken in.
So you may believe that your life is simple and easy, but DVSA will probably hang you for it.

what if say your truck is at your front door and you get in hit rest until now yes then do your checks on other work and go and leave card in all week as your a tramper. Theres no problem with that in my eyes. Fair enough if you clocked in washed the truck or whatever before you put your card in then i would wind the clock back with a manual entry thats what there for

[EddiUnlimited]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

what about your lead in and lead out times? DVSA are well aware that you arrive, clock in, get your paperwork etc. then you walk to your vehicle and put your tachograph card in, and record your manual entries for your last shift lead out time, your daily/weekly rest and your activities you've done today until you inserted your tachograph card. Then you would do the things like your walk around checks, fill in any defect sheets etc. This is why you do your manual entries.

To not do them is basically falsifying your tachograph records, these are supposed to accurately reflect the activities you have partaken in.
So you may believe that your life is simple and easy, but DVSA will probably hang you for it.

not necessarily, I take my keys home. Literally drive into the yard on a Monday morning and put my card straight in.

[kayett_mao]

Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?

what about your lead in and lead out times? DVSA are well aware that you arrive, clock in, get your paperwork etc. then you walk to your vehicle and put your tachograph card in, and record your manual entries for your last shift lead out time, your daily/weekly rest and your activities you've done today until you inserted your tachograph card. Then you would do the things like your walk around checks, fill in any defect sheets etc. This is why you do your manual entries.

To not do them is basically falsifying your tachograph records, these are supposed to accurately reflect the activities you have partaken in.
So you may believe that your life is simple and easy, but DVSA will probably hang you for it.

not necessarily, I take my keys home. Literally drive into the yard on a Monday morning and put my card straight in.

see I can't take my keys out as shunter on a night moves it about

[AlanndDeck]

Manual entry from the time you pass the gate

[b9riands]

Then don’t put your card in till 4am.

[Lynnco801]

Then don’t put your card in till 4am.

I don't, this is my point

[b9riands]

Then don’t put your card in till 4am.

I don't, this is my point

oh right, do you do anything work related before you put your card in?
Or do you just sit in your car?