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Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho,
If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at 04:00 do I need to do a manual entry for 14 minutes, bearing in mind if we clock on at 03:46 we don't get paid until 04:00
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Yes you clock in time is when you start shift
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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peteForReal wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 am Yes you clock in time is when you start shift
why if I'm not on pay
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 am
peteForReal wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 am Yes you clock in time is when you start shift
why if I'm not on pay
Duty time all other work must be accounted for i.e booking on getting paperwork walking to vehicle
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 am
peteForReal wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 am Yes you clock in time is when you start shift
why if I'm not on pay
If paid from 4 why go in early?
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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peteForReal wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:12 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 am
peteForReal wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 am Yes you clock in time is when you start shift
why if I'm not on pay
If paid from 4 why go in early?
it's just the time I get there
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:12 am
peteForReal wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:12 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 am

why if I'm not on pay
If paid from 4 why go in early?
it's just the time I get there
sit in your car till 03.59 then
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.
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jo3hnower wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:32 am Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.
but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:32 am
jo3hnower wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:32 am Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.
but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes
so manual entry of other work for the time it takes you to clock on then manual entry of break for the remainder.
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:32 am
jo3hnower wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:32 am Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.
but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes
get in a 4:15 then manual entry back to 4. Simple haha
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that’s your fault unfortunately.
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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JaayUnco wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:36 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:32 am
jo3hnower wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:32 am Yes. Clocking in is an act of work.
but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes
get in a 4:15 then manual entry back to 4. Simple haha
then I'd loose 15 minutes pay every day
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:40 am
JaayUnco wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:36 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:32 am

but I don't get paid for the first 14 minutes
get in a 4:15 then manual entry back to 4. Simple haha
then I'd loose 15 minutes pay every day
how? You dont get paid for a manual entry which technically you should do?
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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JaayUnco wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:40 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:40 am
JaayUnco wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:36 am

get in a 4:15 then manual entry back to 4. Simple haha
then I'd loose 15 minutes pay every day
how? You dont get paid for a manual entry which technically you should do?
Thanks for the money! :lol:
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Marty.Asta wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:42 am
JaayUnco wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:40 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:40 am

then I'd loose 15 minutes pay every day
how? You dont get paid for a manual entry which technically you should do?
Thanks for the money! :lol:
if i drive to work and pull up at the office to get my job details, then have to drive down to the yard to get keys and truck im knocking tacho back 10 mins cos im doing work related things. It aint free for me to be at work getting stuff so im getting paid for it haha
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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JaayUnco wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:43 am
Marty.Asta wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:42 am
JaayUnco wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:40 am

how? You dont get paid for a manual entry which technically you should do?
Thanks for the money! :lol:
if i drive to work and pull up at the office to get my job details, then have to drive down to the yard to get keys and truck im knocking tacho back 10 mins cos im doing work related things. It aint free for me to be at work getting stuff so im getting paid for it haha
this is me if I'm in car park I'm at work joys of being a temporary worker my foot steps out the van and I'm at work
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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If you clock on at 3.45 do you get paid? If so pop your time back till then 😁
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kevBBiomach wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 am If you clock on at 3.45 do you get paid? If so pop your time back till then 😁
yes but that not my point lol
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 am
kevBBiomach wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 am If you clock on at 3.45 do you get paid? If so pop your time back till then 😁
yes but that not my point lol
then yes still "should" do manual entry to the time you clock on as that's the time you started work.
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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kevBBiomach wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 am
kevBBiomach wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 am If you clock on at 3.45 do you get paid? If so pop your time back till then 😁
yes but that not my point lol
then yes still "should" do manual entry to the time you clock on as that's the time you started work.
but I'm not working until 04:00
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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:48 am
kevBBiomach wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 am

yes but that not my point lol
then yes still "should" do manual entry to the time you clock on as that's the time you started work.
but I'm not working until 04:00
but you have arrived and clocked on and then walked to your truck, so don't clock on till 4am on the dot
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Clock in at four put your card in after then manual entry
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If you don't get paid before 4 then card in after 4 and manual entry from 4. Anything before get a coffee don't do any work
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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You have to show at least 10mins on card for walk round checks, cant do it off card
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When and where you get paid isn’t in consideration when it comes to tachograph rules, Only if you’re working or not
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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scatt5kare wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:16 am When and where you get paid isn’t in consideration when it comes to tachograph rules, Only if you’re working or not
that's my point, I'm not working until 04:00 but I have clocked in
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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:17 am
scatt5kare wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:16 am When and where you get paid isn’t in consideration when it comes to tachograph rules, Only if you’re working or not
that's my point, I'm not working until 04:00 but I have clocked in
but you collect keys and paperwork etc before you get to the truck don't you?
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LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:20 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:17 am
scatt5kare wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:16 am When and where you get paid isn’t in consideration when it comes to tachograph rules, Only if you’re working or not
that's my point, I'm not working until 04:00 but I have clocked in
but you collect keys and paperwork etc before you get to the truck don't you?
that takes literally 1 minute
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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:20 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:20 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:17 am

that's my point, I'm not working until 04:00 but I have clocked in
but you collect keys and paperwork etc before you get to the truck don't you?
that takes literally 1 minute
you've clocked in at 0346. You've reported to the desk and picked up keys and paperwork. It's taken 1 minute. Is it now say 0350? Well then effectively, you're on duty. Dude, if you want to give your employer 15 minutes unpaid every day that's up to you but technically you're on duty
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LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:21 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:20 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:20 am

but you collect keys and paperwork etc before you get to the truck don't you?
that takes literally 1 minute
you've clocked in at 0346. You've reported to the desk and picked up keys and paperwork. It's taken 1 minute. Is it now say 0350? Well then effectively, you're on duty. Dude, if you want to give your employer 15 minutes unpaid every day that's up to you but technically you're on duty
your not getting what I said, I don't do anything until 4am
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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:21 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:21 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:20 am

that takes literally 1 minute
you've clocked in at 0346. You've reported to the desk and picked up keys and paperwork. It's taken 1 minute. Is it now say 0350? Well then effectively, you're on duty. Dude, if you want to give your employer 15 minutes unpaid every day that's up to you but technically you're on duty
your not getting what I said, I don't do anything until 4am
ah right, well in that case I'd agree with you. I do exactly the same. If I start at say 0630 I'm normally through the gate and clocked in at least 10 mins earlier. I won't get issued keys or paperwork until 0630. I may not get to the truck and put my card in until maybe 0645. My manual entry then includes some time after my previous shift to cover debrief. Then a rest period. And then shift start to coincide with my start time. I must point out though that there is never a case where a manual entry isn't required.
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Yes I don’t move until my clock in time then do manual entry at the time you officially start never go to truck before
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Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
that's exactly my point, that's what I do, it's the company complicating it
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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now
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LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:31 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now
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LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:31 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now
so whenever your home at the weekend do you do a manual entry for cuttin the grass lol
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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:34 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:31 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now
so whenever your home at the weekend do you do a manual entry for cuttin the grass lol
no but when I return to work o do a manual entry to say I've been on rest. The funny part is, it looks like you do as well. You just don't know it
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LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:35 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:34 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:31 am

it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now
so whenever your home at the weekend do you do a manual entry for cuttin the grass lol
no but when I return to work o do a manual entry to say I've been on rest. The funny part is, it looks like you do as well. You just don't know it
just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:35 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:35 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:34 am

so whenever your home at the weekend do you do a manual entry for cuttin the grass lol
no but when I return to work o do a manual entry to say I've been on rest. The funny part is, it looks like you do as well. You just don't know it
just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day
the certainly aren't stupid. Dude, the rule has been in force since August 2020
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:36 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:35 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:35 am

no but when I return to work o do a manual entry to say I've been on rest. The funny part is, it looks like you do as well. You just don't know it
just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day
the certainly aren't stupid. Dude, the rule has been in force since August 2020
I know but they know if you select rest and take your card out until next day they know you have been on rest all that time
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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:36 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:36 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:35 am

just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day
the certainly aren't stupid. Dude, the rule has been in force since August 2020
I know but they know if you select rest and take your card out until next day they know you have been on rest all that time
they also know that they could fine you for not doing it bud
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MateixProud wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:34 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:31 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's been a legal requirement to do a manual entry to account for all activity, including rest, for over 2 years now
mate don't there among us 🤣🤣🤣
so tell us what am I doing wrong?
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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:36 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:36 am
Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:35 am

just put it on rest before you take your card out, dvsa aren't stupid they know it's rest until your card goes back in next day
the certainly aren't stupid. Dude, the rule has been in force since August 2020
I know but they know if you select rest and take your card out until next day they know you have been on rest all that time
that’s all fine and well so long as your not doing work that you are been payed for by your company when you have your card out
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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?
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BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:42 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?
I just push ok myself
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BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:42 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?
hit yes as i was not at work
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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:45 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:42 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?
hit yes as i was not at work
that’s a manual entry
BarrzIInsider
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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kayett_mao wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:45 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:42 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?
I just push ok myself
that’s a manual entry
LEONIXTU
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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kayett_mao wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:45 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:42 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?
I just push ok myself
so you do a manual entry then! The difference is, your equipment helps you. Now, the next question is this. Is all of that period actually rest?
kayett_mao
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:47 am
kayett_mao wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:45 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:42 am

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?
I just push ok myself
so you do a manual entry then! The difference is, your equipment helps you. Now, the next question is this. Is all of that period actually rest?
I put card in at 4.05 leave it on cross hammers for 15 mins to show I've done my walk around check then i set off
griff.purple
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:46 am
kayett_mao wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:45 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:42 am

when the tacho says rest until now what do you do?
I just push ok myself
that’s a manual entry
I didn’t physically change my start time on the machine tho thats what the post is about and thats what i meant. Ive never felt the need to do that
BarrzIInsider
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:48 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:46 am
kayett_mao wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:45 am

I just push ok myself
that’s a manual entry
I didn’t physically change my start time on the machine tho thats what the post is about and thats what i meant. Ive never felt the need to do that
by simply selecting rest until now is a manual entry.
If you collect keys and paperwork etc then you should be doing a manual entry for that time.
griff.purple
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:48 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:48 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:46 am

that’s a manual entry
I didn’t physically change my start time on the machine tho thats what the post is about and thats what i meant. Ive never felt the need to do that
by simply selecting rest until now is a manual entry.
If you collect keys and paperwork etc then you should be doing a manual entry for that time.
but the truck automatically does that im
Just confirming yes I thought a manual entry was changing the start time back manually lol
BarrzIInsider
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:49 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:48 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:48 am

I didn’t physically change my start time on the machine tho thats what the post is about and thats what i meant. Ive never felt the need to do that
by simply selecting rest until now is a manual entry.
If you collect keys and paperwork etc then you should be doing a manual entry for that time.
but the truck automatically does that im
Just confirming yes I thought a manual entry was changing the start time back manually lol
it’s asking a question “rest until now” select ok is a manual entry, however before you do that if you collect keys etc you should be adding a manual entry for the time it took you to do that
Lynnco801
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:49 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:49 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:48 am

by simply selecting rest until now is a manual entry.
If you collect keys and paperwork etc then you should be doing a manual entry for that time.
but the truck automatically does that im
Just confirming yes I thought a manual entry was changing the start time back manually lol
it’s asking a question “rest until now” select ok is a manual entry, however before you do that if you collect keys etc you should be adding a manual entry for the time it took you to do that
the night shunter leaves my keys in the truck for me
BarrzIInsider
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:50 am
BarrzIInsider wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:49 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:49 am

but the truck automatically does that im
Just confirming yes I thought a manual entry was changing the start time back manually lol
it’s asking a question “rest until now” select ok is a manual entry, however before you do that if you collect keys etc you should be adding a manual entry for the time it took you to do that
the night shunter leaves my keys in the truck for me
it’s just an example of the work you need to account for.
DavoTHemp
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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kayett_mao wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:47 am
LEONIXTU wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:47 am
kayett_mao wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:45 am

I just push ok myself
so you do a manual entry then! The difference is, your equipment helps you. Now, the next question is this. Is all of that period actually rest?
I put card in at 4.05 leave it on cross hammers for 15 mins to show I've done my walk around check then i set off
the manual entry is for anything you done once getting to your place of work, get keys, paperwork, talk to your boss time walking from the gates to your truck, this has been a requirement for a long time now, getting straight in after a full 45 and putting your card in is not the way to do it I'm afraid. you may never get stopped for it but if you do it can cause you a whole lot of hassle.
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's a legal requirement to do manual entries. 👍
griff.purple
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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b9riands wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's a legal requirement to do manual entries. 👍
i know that if you do work before getting in the truck but I don’t
b9riands
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 am
b9riands wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's a legal requirement to do manual entries. 👍
i know that if you do work before getting in the truck but I don’t
so where do you find your keys, or paperwork?
griff.purple
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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b9riands wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:58 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 am
b9riands wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 am

it's a legal requirement to do manual entries. 👍
i know that if you do work before getting in the truck but I don’t
so where do you find your keys, or paperwork?
in my pocket and i get sent a txt where to go
Lynnco801
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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b9riands wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 am
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
it's a legal requirement to do manual entries. 👍
my keys are left in the truck by the night shunter
YANCHIANT
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
you still have to do a manual entry EVERY time you put a card in to show your overnight rest, or you get a? On a printout!!!!
griff.purple
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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YANCHIANT wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:02 pm
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
you still have to do a manual entry EVERY time you put a card in to show your overnight rest, or you get a? On a printout!!!!
an automatic yes does me I don’t manually put the time back.
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
what about your lead in and lead out times? DVSA are well aware that you arrive, clock in, get your paperwork etc. then you walk to your vehicle and put your tachograph card in, and record your manual entries for your last shift lead out time, your daily/weekly rest and your activities you've done today until you inserted your tachograph card. Then you would do the things like your walk around checks, fill in any defect sheets etc. This is why you do your manual entries.

To not do them is basically falsifying your tachograph records, these are supposed to accurately reflect the activities you have partaken in.
So you may believe that your life is simple and easy, but DVSA will probably hang you for it.
griff.purple
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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navenFFlex wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:10 pm
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
what about your lead in and lead out times? DVSA are well aware that you arrive, clock in, get your paperwork etc. then you walk to your vehicle and put your tachograph card in, and record your manual entries for your last shift lead out time, your daily/weekly rest and your activities you've done today until you inserted your tachograph card. Then you would do the things like your walk around checks, fill in any defect sheets etc. This is why you do your manual entries.

To not do them is basically falsifying your tachograph records, these are supposed to accurately reflect the activities you have partaken in.
So you may believe that your life is simple and easy, but DVSA will probably hang you for it.
what if say your truck is at your front door and you get in hit rest until now yes then do your checks on other work and go and leave card in all week as your a tramper. Theres no problem with that in my eyes. Fair enough if you clocked in washed the truck or whatever before you put your card in then i would wind the clock back with a manual entry thats what there for
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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navenFFlex wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:10 pm
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
what about your lead in and lead out times? DVSA are well aware that you arrive, clock in, get your paperwork etc. then you walk to your vehicle and put your tachograph card in, and record your manual entries for your last shift lead out time, your daily/weekly rest and your activities you've done today until you inserted your tachograph card. Then you would do the things like your walk around checks, fill in any defect sheets etc. This is why you do your manual entries.

To not do them is basically falsifying your tachograph records, these are supposed to accurately reflect the activities you have partaken in.
So you may believe that your life is simple and easy, but DVSA will probably hang you for it.
not necessarily, I take my keys home. Literally drive into the yard on a Monday morning and put my card straight in.
kayett_mao
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

Post by kayett_mao »

EddiUnlimited wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:13 pm
navenFFlex wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:10 pm
griff.purple wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:30 am Never had the need to do a manual entry put the card in put to other work do your checks and go why complicate it?
what about your lead in and lead out times? DVSA are well aware that you arrive, clock in, get your paperwork etc. then you walk to your vehicle and put your tachograph card in, and record your manual entries for your last shift lead out time, your daily/weekly rest and your activities you've done today until you inserted your tachograph card. Then you would do the things like your walk around checks, fill in any defect sheets etc. This is why you do your manual entries.

To not do them is basically falsifying your tachograph records, these are supposed to accurately reflect the activities you have partaken in.
So you may believe that your life is simple and easy, but DVSA will probably hang you for it.
not necessarily, I take my keys home. Literally drive into the yard on a Monday morning and put my card straight in.
see I can't take my keys out as shunter on a night moves it about
AlanndDeck
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Manual entry from the time you pass the gate
b9riands
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Then don’t put your card in till 4am.
Lynnco801
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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b9riands wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:18 pm Then don’t put your card in till 4am.
I don't, this is my point
b9riands
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Re: Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

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Lynnco801 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:18 pm
b9riands wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:18 pm Then don’t put your card in till 4am.
I don't, this is my point
oh right, do you do anything work related before you put your card in?
Or do you just sit in your car?
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