Morning all. Question about manual entry on tacho, If I clock on at 03:46 and walk to my truck and put my card in at

[Lynnco801]

Then don’t put your card in till 4am.

I don't, this is my point

oh right, do you do anything work related before you put your card in?
Or do you just sit in your car?

I clock in but don't do any work until 4am

[b9riands]

I don't, this is my point

oh right, do you do anything work related before you put your card in?
Or do you just sit in your car?

I clock in but don't do any work until 4am

then yes, manual entry if you clock in, get keys paperwork and then go to truck. I’m lucky in driving the same truck every day, I pull into yard, unlock truck and put my card in. Registers the walk from the car park, collection of paper work and walk around and although I do a manual entry… I don’t need to change any times

[LEONIXTU]

If you do any work before the time you put your card in then it needs to be accounted for using a manual entry. If you happen to get there early and decide to do work before you start getting paid, it still needs to be accounted for

[chrisog-ph]

If you're not paid until 4 then you shouldn't be clocking in at 3:45. Clock in at 3:45 and you need to do a manual entry to say that's your start time. All your hours etc should be calculated from the time you clock in. The time you are paid from is a separate issue and one that your company may be breaking the law on.

[Lynnco801]

If you're not paid until 4 then you shouldn't be clocking in at 3:45. Clock in at 3:45 and you need to do a manual entry to say that's your start time. All your hours etc should be calculated from the time you clock in. The time you are paid from is a separate issue and one that your company may be breaking the law on.

so even though I'm not paid until 4am I still have to do a entry??? Why if I'm not doing anything

[chrisog-ph]

If you're not paid until 4 then you shouldn't be clocking in at 3:45. Clock in at 3:45 and you need to do a manual entry to say that's your start time. All your hours etc should be calculated from the time you clock in. The time you are paid from is a separate issue and one that your company may be breaking the law on.

so even though I'm not paid until 4am I still have to do a entry??? Why if I'm not doing anything

your at work you are clocked on. The fact you aren't paid is something you need to discuss with your boss as they should be paying from when you clock in. Clocking in from 3:45 also makes you subject to night working rules which means a limit of 10 hour shift unless there is an opt out in place.

[geotors802]

ten hours work, not a ten hour shift.

[MateixProud]

If you're not paid until 4 then you shouldn't be clocking in at 3:45. Clock in at 3:45 and you need to do a manual entry to say that's your start time. All your hours etc should be calculated from the time you clock in. The time you are paid from is a separate issue and one that your company may be breaking the law on.

so even though I'm not paid until 4am I still have to do a entry??? Why if I'm not doing anything

well you are

[AlanndDeck]

Just hang the day out if you want the extra hours.
Don’t worry about manual entries, nobody worried about it when it was analog.

[STEVERGEN]

Your time sheet has to match your tachograph

[navenFFlex]

Don’t clock in till 4 then if you don’t get paid anything beforehand matey

[Fiellent804]

The 14 mins is work in theory... As your not being paid you give your employer 1 hour and 11 mins free every week...

[Lynnco801]

The 14 mins is work in theory... As your not being paid you give your employer 1 hour and 11 mins free every week...

well I don't really because I don't do anything until 4am

[Fiellent804]

The 14 mins is work in theory... As your not being paid you give your employer 1 hour and 11 mins free every week...

well I don't really because I don't do anything until 4am

going into the office to clock on and pick up keys is the work bit... Seems trivial but it is...

[Lynnco801]

The 14 mins is work in theory... As your not being paid you give your employer 1 hour and 11 mins free every week...

well I don't really because I don't do anything until 4am

going into the office to clock on and pick up keys is the work bit... Seems trivial but it is...

but all I do is clock on and that's it, no paperwork or keys just literally clock on and wait until 4am

[peteForReal]

Is it not a case of anything pre 4am would, due to WTD class you a a Night shift therefore restrict you working time?

[Lynnco801]

Is it not a case of anything pre 4am would, due to WTD class you a a Night shift therefore restrict you working time?

unless they have opted out as a collective workforce.

[DavoTHemp]

Is it not a case of anything pre 4am would, due to WTD class you a a Night shift therefore restrict you working time?

in theory yes unless your company has a force wide agreement to opt out

[waremo803]

yes.. no.. it’s all getting a tad silly, just do what feels good for you. for me it’s not about the money, it’s the love of the job

[kevBBiomach]

Yes mate wind it back. No gaps no explaining then.

[JaayUnco]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

[Lynnco801]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

that's not what I'm on about

[JaayUnco]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

that's not what I'm on about

what you on about then? If you clock in a 3.45 and you don’t start get paid till 4 then yea you have lost that 15min if that’s how your company works, if you want to get it back just do a manual entry in the morning adding 15 mins or how ever long to the end of your shift the previous day when you toke your card out

[b9riands]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 minutes???? How slow do you walk?

[STEVERGEN]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 minutes???? How slow do you walk?

I’ve always been told to show a minimum of 10minutes for the walk round check, doesn’t mean I actually spend 10minutes doing the walk round check

[JaayUnco]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 minutes???? How slow do you walk?

I’ve always been told to show a minimum of 10minutes for the walk round check, doesn’t mean I actually spend 10minutes doing the walk round check

same with me always show min 10mins don’t mean I spend 10 mins doing it

[BarrzIInsider]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 minutes???? How slow do you walk?

I’ve always been told to show a minimum of 10minutes for the walk round check, doesn’t mean I actually spend 10minutes doing the walk round check

sufficient time is all that’s required

[DavoTHemp]

10 minutes???? How slow do you walk?

I’ve always been told to show a minimum of 10minutes for the walk round check, doesn’t mean I actually spend 10minutes doing the walk round check

sufficient time is all that’s required

agreed but what one dvsa inspector thinks is sufficient might be no good to another it’s like most things in life never actually need to prove it but should you get pulled for a fault and only have a few mins for daily checks they’re more likely to think you’ve missed bits

[DavoTHemp]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 hours of work not 10 hour shift

[JaayUnco]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 hours of work not 10 hour shift

what’s the difference? It all adds together driving work breaks it’s all added together surely?

[DavoTHemp]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 hours of work not 10 hour shift

what’s the difference? It all adds together driving work breaks it’s all added together surely?

no because poa and break dont count towards duty time so therefore you could be clocked on for 15 hours but have spent 5/6/7 of it on break or on poa waiting

[geotors802]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 hours of work not 10 hour shift

what’s the difference? It all adds together driving work breaks it’s all added together surely?

breaks and rest not included.

[jo3hnower]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

10 hours of work not 10 hour shift

what’s the difference? It all adds together driving work breaks it’s all added together surely?

only driving and other work count as working time.

[kevBBiomach]

I’ve always been told to show a minimum of 10minutes for the walk round check, doesn’t mean I actually spend 10minutes doing the walk round check

sufficient time is all that’s required

agreed but what one dvsa inspector thinks is sufficient might be no good to another it’s like most things in life never actually need to prove it but should you get pulled for a fault and only have a few mins for daily checks they’re more likely to think you’ve missed bits

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[DavoTHemp]

sufficient time is all that’s required

agreed but what one dvsa inspector thinks is sufficient might be no good to another it’s like most things in life never actually need to prove it but should you get pulled for a fault and only have a few mins for daily checks they’re more likely to think you’ve missed bits

!!!

this is exactly what I’ve said

[DavoTHemp]

sufficient time is all that’s required

agreed but what one dvsa inspector thinks is sufficient might be no good to another it’s like most things in life never actually need to prove it but should you get pulled for a fault and only have a few mins for daily checks they’re more likely to think you’ve missed bits

!!!

And not sure if this source but it also doesn’t state the night workers limit of 10 hours which can then be lengthened by a work place agreement

[DavoTHemp]

sufficient time is all that’s required

agreed but what one dvsa inspector thinks is sufficient might be no good to another it’s like most things in life never actually need to prove it but should you get pulled for a fault and only have a few mins for daily checks they’re more likely to think you’ve missed bits

!!!

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[kevBBiomach]

agreed but what one dvsa inspector thinks is sufficient might be no good to another it’s like most things in life never actually need to prove it but should you get pulled for a fault and only have a few mins for daily checks they’re more likely to think you’ve missed bits

!!!

And not sure if this source but it also doesn’t state the night workers limit of 10 hours which can then be lengthened by a work place agreement

It's said " The working day or shift spread between daily/weekly rest periods is made up of
time recorded for driving, other work, breaks and periods of availability (POA) ". That means the shift is 10 hours, not 13, not 15. Nobody can't force you to extend this 10 hours. Otherwise it makes no sense.

[DavoTHemp]

!!!

And not sure if this source but it also doesn’t state the night workers limit of 10 hours which can then be lengthened by a work place agreement

It's said " The working day or shift spread between daily/weekly rest periods is made up of
time recorded for driving, other work, breaks and periods of availability (POA) ". That means the shift is 10 hours, not 13, not 15. Nobody can't force you to extend this 10 hours. Otherwise it makes no sense.

yes exactly the working shift spread NOT daily work so yes you can do upto 15 hours and still not exceed the 10 hours actual work

[DavoTHemp]

!!!

And not sure if this source but it also doesn’t state the night workers limit of 10 hours which can then be lengthened by a work place agreement

It's said " The working day or shift spread between daily/weekly rest periods is made up of
time recorded for driving, other work, breaks and periods of availability (POA) ". That means the shift is 10 hours, not 13, not 15. Nobody can't force you to extend this 10 hours. Otherwise it makes no sense.

they can if you are signed up to a company wide agreement when you signed their contract. If you opted out then no they can’t

[kevBBiomach]

And not sure if this source but it also doesn’t state the night workers limit of 10 hours which can then be lengthened by a work place agreement

It's said " The working day or shift spread between daily/weekly rest periods is made up of
time recorded for driving, other work, breaks and periods of availability (POA) ". That means the shift is 10 hours, not 13, not 15. Nobody can't force you to extend this 10 hours. Otherwise it makes no sense.

they can if you are signed up to a company wide agreement when you signed their contract. If you opted out then no they can’t

I'll ask VOSA officers when see them, but I'm 99,99 % shure that the night shift is 10 hours. If you put you card at 01:00 then you can work until 11:00, doesn't matter driving, working, bed or poa.

[DavoTHemp]

It's said " The working day or shift spread between daily/weekly rest periods is made up of
time recorded for driving, other work, breaks and periods of availability (POA) ". That means the shift is 10 hours, not 13, not 15. Nobody can't force you to extend this 10 hours. Otherwise it makes no sense.

they can if you are signed up to a company wide agreement when you signed their contract. If you opted out then no they can’t

I'll ask VOSA officers when see them, but I'm 99,99 % shure that the night shift is 10 hours. If you put you card at 01:00 then you can work until 11:00, doesn't matter driving, working, bed or poa.

sorry but your wrong this is the gov website on drivers hours it’s quite clear of you read the rules

[DavoTHemp]

It's said " The working day or shift spread between daily/weekly rest periods is made up of
time recorded for driving, other work, breaks and periods of availability (POA) ". That means the shift is 10 hours, not 13, not 15. Nobody can't force you to extend this 10 hours. Otherwise it makes no sense.

they can if you are signed up to a company wide agreement when you signed their contract. If you opted out then no they can’t

I'll ask VOSA officers when see them, but I'm 99,99 % shure that the night shift is 10 hours. If you put you card at 01:00 then you can work until 11:00, doesn't matter driving, working, bed or poa.

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[kevBBiomach]

they can if you are signed up to a company wide agreement when you signed their contract. If you opted out then no they can’t

I'll ask VOSA officers when see them, but I'm 99,99 % shure that the night shift is 10 hours. If you put you card at 01:00 then you can work until 11:00, doesn't matter driving, working, bed or poa.

sorry but your wrong this is the gov website on drivers hours it’s quite clear of you read the rules

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -rules.pdf

[DavoTHemp]

I'll ask VOSA officers when see them, but I'm 99,99 % shure that the night shift is 10 hours. If you put you card at 01:00 then you can work until 11:00, doesn't matter driving, working, bed or poa.

sorry but your wrong this is the gov website on drivers hours it’s quite clear of you read the rules

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -rules.pdf

thanks for confirming exactly what I said

[DavoTHemp]

I'll ask VOSA officers when see them, but I'm 99,99 % shure that the night shift is 10 hours. If you put you card at 01:00 then you can work until 11:00, doesn't matter driving, working, bed or poa.

sorry but your wrong this is the gov website on drivers hours it’s quite clear of you read the rules

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -rules.pdf

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[kevBBiomach]

sorry but your wrong this is the gov website on drivers hours it’s quite clear of you read the rules

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -rules.pdf

thanks for confirming exactly what I said

Only if you signed the agreement, if not - 10 hours. It's so simple. That said vosa officer. Sorry mate, but your wrong.

[DavoTHemp]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -rules.pdf

thanks for confirming exactly what I said

Only if you signed the agreement, if not - 10 hours. It's so simple. That said vosa officer. Sorry mate, but your wrong.

read my previous comment that’s exactly what I’ve said and I’m not wrong poa and break do not count towards work time so shift can be 15 without signing the agreement but actually work would not be able to exceed 10 hours unless signed

[DavoTHemp]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -rules.pdf

thanks for confirming exactly what I said

Only if you signed the agreement, if not - 10 hours. It's so simple. That said vosa officer. Sorry mate, but your wrong.

vosa don’t even exist anymore so I’m guessing you haven't actually asked anyone but if you wish to try speaking with the dvsa you might get a correct answer

[peteForReal]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -rules.pdf

thanks for confirming exactly what I said

Only if you signed the agreement, if not - 10 hours. It's so simple. That said vosa officer. Sorry mate, but your wrong.

when I used to work for symphony Leeds, if you started B4 4am, you'll only worked a ten hour shift, because their was no agreement

[kevBBiomach]

thanks for confirming exactly what I said

Only if you signed the agreement, if not - 10 hours. It's so simple. That said vosa officer. Sorry mate, but your wrong.

when I used to work for symphony Leeds, if you started B4 4am, you'll only worked a ten hour shift, because their was no agreement

Exactly! I said same, but some people want to work 15 hours night shift.

[peteForReal]

Only if you signed the agreement, if not - 10 hours. It's so simple. That said vosa officer. Sorry mate, but your wrong.

when I used to work for symphony Leeds, if you started B4 4am, you'll only worked a ten hour shift, because their was no agreement

Exactly! I said same, but some people want to work 15 hours night shift.

only with agreement

[geotors802]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

it’s ten hours work, not shift.

[Rogs_Nones]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

nowhere dose it say it must be 10 mins

[Florin-Hood]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

nowhere dose it say it must be 10 mins

a lot of places have it as a company policy. And following company policies is part of your contract of employment.
Also there is a requirement for checks to be completed “adequately” and 10mins is a ballpark figure given by DVSA

[sylveric791]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

nowhere dose it say it must be 10 mins

it’s drivers discretion on how long he takes, be it has to be shown. How many show post shift checks?

[jo3hnower]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

it's 10 hours of work in a 24 hour period. You can still do a 15 hour shift.

[jo3hnower]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

why do you need to do vehicle checks for at least 10 minutes?

[JaayUnco]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

why do you need to do vehicle checks for at least 10 minutes?

so if you get pulled by vosa just shows that you was work for 10 mins before driving of I know there’s no legal time for it just good practice and have always shown min 10mins before driving of, every company I have worked for have all said show min of 10 mins and think most companies are like that,

[DavoTHemp]

If you start before 4am your classed as night worker, has your company opted out? If not the you can only work a 10hour shift. So is that why your company start you at 4am? If you don’t get paid till 4am why start any earlier . Also you are meant to do your walk round checks once your tacho is in the head unit so I records you doing your walk round check for a least 10 mins everyday

why do you need to do vehicle checks for at least 10 minutes?

so if you get pulled by vosa just shows that you was work for 10 mins before driving of I know there’s no legal time for it just good practice and have always shown min 10mins before driving of, every company I have worked for have all said show min of 10 mins and think most companies are like that,

agreed much less and vosa are unlikely to believe you could have done all
Your safety checks

[KANNERSID]

Get in work at 4 then an have an extra 10 mins in bed

[KANNERSID]

Yes.

[niKKerminn]

Yes you do a manual entry form the time you clocked in, ie if you was on site at 03.45 but don't start working till 04.00 but pay starts from when you clocked in, then the manual entry will be poa, if your working at 03.45 ie sorting out paperwork with office getting keys for truck the manual entry will be other work. If you've gone to get coffee and you don't get paid until 04.00 but your in 15mins early the no entry is needed. Hope this helps

[DavoTHemp]

Don’t clock in till 4 then

[GreatGordom]

If you’re not being paid until 4am, why are you clocking in before that?

[geotors802]

Don’t forget that you must also record your daily rest

[Leann3xler]

Clocking in doesn't always mean you've started work. It just means you're registered as on site. (could be just for the fire register) If you choose to go in early and sit in the canteen or drivers room, that's not working time. But getting keys and paperwork and walking to the vehicle is work, so needs recording regardless of being payed.

[geotors802]

Clocking in doesn't always mean you've started work. It just means you're registered as on site. (could be just for the fire register) If you choose to go in early and sit in the canteen or drivers room, that's not working time. But getting keys and paperwork and walking to the vehicle is work, so needs recording regardless of being payed.

is clocking in an act of work?

[Leann3xler]

Clocking in doesn't always mean you've started work. It just means you're registered as on site. (could be just for the fire register) If you choose to go in early and sit in the canteen or drivers room, that's not working time. But getting keys and paperwork and walking to the vehicle is work, so needs recording regardless of being payed.

is clocking in an act of work?

They are under instruction and not free to dispose of their own time from 04.00hrs. If they choose to go in earlier and register they are onsite, then that's their choice and not a work activity. But if they decide to carry out any work related activities before 04.00hrs, then the rest period is over, the duty has started and those activities must be recorded as working time. Whether they are payed for the time prior to 04.00hrs is irrelevant.

[geotors802]

Clocking in doesn't always mean you've started work. It just means you're registered as on site. (could be just for the fire register) If you choose to go in early and sit in the canteen or drivers room, that's not working time. But getting keys and paperwork and walking to the vehicle is work, so needs recording regardless of being payed.

is clocking in an act of work?

They are under instruction and not free to dispose of their own time from 04.00hrs. If they choose to go in earlier and register they are onsite, then that's their choice and not a work activity. But if they decide to carry out any work related activities before 04.00hrs, then the rest period is over, the duty has started and those activities must be recorded as working time. Whether they are payed for the time prior to 04.00hrs is irrelevant.

However. Clocking in is an act of work.

[KANNERSID]

Clocking in doesn't always mean you've started work. It just means you're registered as on site. (could be just for the fire register) If you choose to go in early and sit in the canteen or drivers room, that's not working time. But getting keys and paperwork and walking to the vehicle is work, so needs recording regardless of being payed.

is clocking in an act of work?

They are under instruction and not free to dispose of their own time from 04.00hrs. If they choose to go in earlier and register they are onsite, then that's their choice and not a work activity. But if they decide to carry out any work related activities before 04.00hrs, then the rest period is over, the duty has started and those activities must be recorded as working time. Whether they are payed for the time prior to 04.00hrs is irrelevant.

whether they are paid or not is actually relevant too. By law you have to be paid for every minute you are working

[Leann3xler]

is clocking in an act of work?

They are under instruction and not free to dispose of their own time from 04.00hrs. If they choose to go in earlier and register they are onsite, then that's their choice and not a work activity. But if they decide to carry out any work related activities before 04.00hrs, then the rest period is over, the duty has started and those activities must be recorded as working time. Whether they are payed for the time prior to 04.00hrs is irrelevant.

whether they are paid or not is actually relevant too. By law you have to be paid for every minute you are working

Ever heard of voluntary work?

[KANNERSID]

They are under instruction and not free to dispose of their own time from 04.00hrs. If they choose to go in earlier and register they are onsite, then that's their choice and not a work activity. But if they decide to carry out any work related activities before 04.00hrs, then the rest period is over, the duty has started and those activities must be recorded as working time. Whether they are payed for the time prior to 04.00hrs is irrelevant.

whether they are paid or not is actually relevant too. By law you have to be paid for every minute you are working

Ever heard of voluntary work?

oh you are absolutely welcome to make some £££ for your boss for free

[Leann3xler]

whether they are paid or not is actually relevant too. By law you have to be paid for every minute you are working

Ever heard of voluntary work?

oh you are absolutely welcome to make some £££ for your boss for free

There is no law stating you must be paid for work completed outside of contracted hours. (feel free to post a link if there is) So as stated. Payment is irrelevant.

[robertizoJR]

Man so any job worth fuck sake it's 15 min and you have not even seen the truck yet is the job got that bad this question has to be asked