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AlanQWalker wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:07 pm
JRILLANDS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:04 pm
AlanQWalker wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:59 pm It’s easily remembered like this. In the first 6 hours working time you need a 15 minute break. For every subsequent 3 hours on top of the 6 you need a 15 minute break. So if you work more than 9 hours you need 45 minutes total split into 3x15 minutes.
unfortunately you are not understanding the legislation either.
Finerwin, if you haven't already, could you post your "two parts to the wtd" explanation please?
can to expand on what I am not understanding? Feel free to message me privately if you don’t think continued discussion here is productive
Your comment suggests that you think that a further 15 mins must be taken before 9 hrs work is exceeded, then another 15 mins before 12 hours work is exceeded if I am understanding correctly?
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JRILLANDS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:10 pm
AlanQWalker wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:07 pm
JRILLANDS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:04 pm

unfortunately you are not understanding the legislation either.
Finerwin, if you haven't already, could you post your "two parts to the wtd" explanation please?
can to expand on what I am not understanding? Feel free to message me privately if you don’t think continued discussion here is productive
Your comment suggests that you think that a further 15 mins must be taken before 9 hrs work is exceeded, then another 15 mins before 12 hours work is exceeded if I am understanding correctly?
in its simplest term, yes. However that can also be taken as 1, 45 minute block of time or as a 15 and a 30 as in the tacho rules. So if you were working for over 9 hours, predominantly driving then the tacho rules would cover the required breaks anyway.
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AlanQWalker wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:11 pm
JRILLANDS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:10 pm
AlanQWalker wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:07 pm

can to expand on what I am not understanding? Feel free to message me privately if you don’t think continued discussion here is productive
Your comment suggests that you think that a further 15 mins must be taken before 9 hrs work is exceeded, then another 15 mins before 12 hours work is exceeded if I am understanding correctly?
in its simplest term, yes. However that can also be taken as 1, 45 minute block of time or as a 15 and a 30 as in the tacho rules. So if you were working for over 9 hours, predominantly driving then the tacho rules would cover the required breaks anyway.
the thing to note is that provided that you never exceed 6 hours work without taking a minimum of 15 mins break, and comply with the total break requirements for the shift, the timing of those breaks is not important. They are merely required to "interrupt" your shift (ie they cannot be taken at the very beginning or the very end)
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AlanQWalker wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:11 pm
JRILLANDS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:10 pm
AlanQWalker wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:07 pm

can to expand on what I am not understanding? Feel free to message me privately if you don’t think continued discussion here is productive
Your comment suggests that you think that a further 15 mins must be taken before 9 hrs work is exceeded, then another 15 mins before 12 hours work is exceeded if I am understanding correctly?
in its simplest term, yes. However that can also be taken as 1, 45 minute block of time or as a 15 and a 30 as in the tacho rules. So if you were working for over 9 hours, predominantly driving then the tacho rules would cover the required breaks anyway.
do you think this is legal, not driving more than 4.5.
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
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Here!!!
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wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:13 pmHere!!!
someone wasted a lot of coloured inks printing that inaccurate pictogram
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NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:13 pm
wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:13 pmHere!!!
someone wasted a lot of coloured inks printing that inaccurate pictogram
so which bit do you think is wrong?
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wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:14 pm
NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:13 pm
wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:13 pmHere!!!
someone wasted a lot of coloured inks printing that inaccurate pictogram
so which bit do you think is wrong?
the bit about if a driver works between 6 and 9 hours should say in total
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NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:14 pm
wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:14 pm
NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:13 pm

someone wasted a lot of coloured inks printing that inaccurate pictogram
so which bit do you think is wrong?
the bit about if a driver works between 6 and 9 hours should say in total
6.01 to 9.00 is 30 mins 9.01+ is 45 rather self explanatory…
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wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 pm
NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:14 pm
wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:14 pm

so which bit do you think is wrong?
the bit about if a driver works between 6 and 9 hours should say in total
6.01 to 9.00 is 30 mins 9.01+ is 45 rather self explanatory…
yes but that's totals for the shift and the pictogram makes it appear that you need 30mins before completing 9hrs of work which isn't the case
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NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 pm
wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 pm
NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:14 pm

the bit about if a driver works between 6 and 9 hours should say in total
6.01 to 9.00 is 30 mins 9.01+ is 45 rather self explanatory…
yes but that's totals for the shift and the pictogram makes it appear that you need 30mins before completing 9hrs of work which isn't the case
I read it differently to you then… I thought it clear and simple
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wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:18 pm
NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 pm
wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 pm

6.01 to 9.00 is 30 mins 9.01+ is 45 rather self explanatory…
yes but that's totals for the shift and the pictogram makes it appear that you need 30mins before completing 9hrs of work which isn't the case
I read it differently to you then… I thought it clear and simple
lots of people read it incorrectly and that's why so many people think you need 30mins before completing 9hrs work ( the imaginary 9hr rule )
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wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:18 pm
NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 pm
wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 pm

6.01 to 9.00 is 30 mins 9.01+ is 45 rather self explanatory…
yes but that's totals for the shift and the pictogram makes it appear that you need 30mins before completing 9hrs of work which isn't the case
I read it differently to you then… I thought it clear and simple
it's clear and simple if you already know the rules but if you don't it's misleading lol
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NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:19 pm
wonnkaWii wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:18 pm
NheilGeneral wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 pm

yes but that's totals for the shift and the pictogram makes it appear that you need 30mins before completing 9hrs of work which isn't the case
I read it differently to you then… I thought it clear and simple
it's clear and simple if you already know the rules but if you don't it's misleading lol
pretty simple really, WTD is 6 hour block not a 3 hour block.
Probably why they now have to put “do not drink contents” on car batteries to cater for the lowest common denominator
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I can't believe some of these comments of interpretation the WTD, all I can say is my card is analyzed every day, I'm in the office signing to say I now know where I went wrong if I break tacho rules, I also have the tacho master app which I suggest most of you should get.
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I haven't been pulled in the office for years so I'm getting it right and the police never bother the company because they know we are one of the best at what we do, at least in our depot. It's been painful reading the comments and all I can say to most is sort you're flipping act out, a bit of tough love but I think you need to hear it.
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I think the mine field is all the info out there from Google, dodgy transport managers and instructors who haven't quite got it right, not the rules themselves. I managed to learn them ok, if I can do it, so can you.
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Just do sh*t tennis
15mins by 6 hours after card in
Then 30mins either before 9 hours since card in or reached 4.5 hours driving total 45min break
Then remember that from end of that break if your going over 6 hours 15mins
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dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:24 pm Just do sh*t tennis
15mins by 6 hours after card in
Then 30mins either before 9 hours since card in or reached 4.5 hours driving total 45min break
Then remember that from end of that break if your going over 6 hours 15mins
you do know it's called the Working Time Directive, not the Duty Time Directive, don't you 🤔
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craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:24 pm
dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:24 pm Just do sh*t tennis
15mins by 6 hours after card in
Then 30mins either before 9 hours since card in or reached 4.5 hours driving total 45min break
Then remember that from end of that break if your going over 6 hours 15mins
you do know it's called the Working Time Directive, not the Duty Time Directive, don't you 🤔
yep and it's sh*te lol
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dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm
craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:24 pm
dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:24 pm Just do sh*t tennis
15mins by 6 hours after card in
Then 30mins either before 9 hours since card in or reached 4.5 hours driving total 45min break
Then remember that from end of that break if your going over 6 hours 15mins
you do know it's called the Working Time Directive, not the Duty Time Directive, don't you 🤔
yep and it's sh*te lol
really?
A directive imposed to protect workers from unscrupulous employers is sh*te?
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craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm
dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm
craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:24 pm

you do know it's called the Working Time Directive, not the Duty Time Directive, don't you 🤔
yep and it's sh*te lol
really?
A directive imposed to protect workers from unscrupulous employers is sh*te?
to be fair WTD works and isn't that hard to follow for most lol
We should just keep to using the one system especially as no longer in Europe
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dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:26 pm
craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm
dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm

yep and it's sh*te lol
really?
A directive imposed to protect workers from unscrupulous employers is sh*te?
to be fair WTD works and isn't that hard to follow for most lol
We should just keep to using the one system especially as no longer in Europe
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dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:26 pm
craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm
dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm

yep and it's sh*te lol
really?
A directive imposed to protect workers from unscrupulous employers is sh*te?
to be fair WTD works and isn't that hard to follow for most lol
We should just keep to using the one system especially as no longer in Europe
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dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:26 pm
craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm
dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm

yep and it's sh*te lol
really?
A directive imposed to protect workers from unscrupulous employers is sh*te?
to be fair WTD works and isn't that hard to follow for most lol
We should just keep to using the one system especially as no longer in Europe
the WTD is there for your protection.
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craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:27 pm
dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:26 pm
craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm

really?
A directive imposed to protect workers from unscrupulous employers is sh*te?
to be fair WTD works and isn't that hard to follow for most lol
We should just keep to using the one system especially as no longer in Europe
the WTD is there for your protection.
got to ask are you bored
The bloke only asked if he had broke a rule and if so which one
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craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:27 pm
dhonnRpg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:26 pm
craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm

really?
A directive imposed to protect workers from unscrupulous employers is sh*te?
to be fair WTD works and isn't that hard to follow for most lol
We should just keep to using the one system especially as no longer in Europe
the WTD is there for your protection.
I only suggested a easy way to remember how not to get basic infringements
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listen to Pheter, Nheil and Jrillands they know their stuff
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5:59 is limit 6:00 is the 6th hour but yeah three 15 min is fine for a shift totaling 9hr or more
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karlxon_gong wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:34 pm 5:59 is limit 6:00 is the 6th hour but yeah three 15 min is fine for a shift totaling 9hr or more
6 hours is the limit.
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craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:34 pm
karlxon_gong wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:34 pm 5:59 is limit 6:00 is the 6th hour but yeah three 15 min is fine for a shift totaling 9hr or more
6 hours is the limit.
5:59 and 59 sec I’d a thought 6:00 and 1 sec is the 6th hour I would never even attempt to hit on 6 just wouldn’t want to risk it for the biscuit
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karlxon_gong wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:34 pm
craib6rone wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:34 pm
karlxon_gong wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:34 pm 5:59 is limit 6:00 is the 6th hour but yeah three 15 min is fine for a shift totaling 9hr or more
6 hours is the limit.
5:59 and 59 sec I’d a thought 6:00 and 1 sec is the 6th hour I would never even attempt to hit on 6 just wouldn’t want to risk it for the biscuit
doesn't really matter when you take a break, just as long as you don't exceed 6 hours without one.
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It’s fine, the thing to remember is where ever you take that first break in the first 6 hrs you then have a max time of another 6 hrs for the remaining required breaks to commence.
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The rule is you can not work more than a 6 hr stretch and must take required breaks. Your breaks can be spilt and a mixture of WTD and Driving regs. Ie a 15 during the first 6 then a 30 later, just don’t do more than 4.5 driving before the 2 breaks.
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Who'd have thought with all the parasites on benefits drivers could be fined for going to work!!!!!
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Take 15 in your first 6 hours (after you’ve done over 2 hr 45), then you are clear till you 9 hours shift time. Make sure you Take 30 before you go over 9 hours shift time and you won’t get an infringement. Driving hours obviously to be taken into consideration.
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GiryJJanmar wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:36 pm Take 15 in your first 6 hours (after you’ve done over 2 hr 45), then you are clear till you 9 hours shift time. Make sure you Take 30 before you go over 9 hours shift time and you won’t get an infringement. Driving hours obviously to be taken into consideration.
I go by these rules. 15 in 6hrs then my DT is close to 4hrs 30 mins so have 30 min to reset the clock.
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GiryJJanmar wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:36 pm Take 15 in your first 6 hours (after you’ve done over 2 hr 45), then you are clear till you 9 hours shift time. Make sure you Take 30 before you go over 9 hours shift time and you won’t get an infringement. Driving hours obviously to be taken into consideration.
you won't get an infringement for taking breaks earlier than needed
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Pretty much they just make it confusing so they can fine most of us when they stop it..can't make it easy for us to understand other wise how will they ever make money 🙄
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Have you put your tacho on other work for 2 minutes at the end of your final break or you just pulled the card out? If you pulled the card out straight away it wouldn't have counted your last break
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stveerUnch wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:39 pm Have you put your tacho on other work for 2 minutes at the end of your final break or you just pulled the card out? If you pulled the card out straight away it wouldn't have counted your last break
yes it would, provided you do the correct manual entry as required by law
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Your clear as long as the period after break has ended you haven't exceeded 6hrs work before you have worked 9 hours
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I always take a minimum of 30 minutes break in the first 6 hours that will sort out my working time and I don't get any infringements
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15 min break before 6hrs then 30min break before 9 hrs, that’s all you need to know
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NATHERAPPS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:44 pm 15 min break before 6hrs then 30min break before 9 hrs, that’s all you need to know
Depends how long the working time is.
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Your 4.5 hour driving break can only be split into a 15 and a 30.
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Your WTD break is 15 mins to be taken before you have worked 6 hours then another 15 mins must be taken if you work between 6-9 hours. Not sure how much break you have to take beyond that.
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