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Today I was parked on an industrial estate for over 3hrs on bed awaiting instructions for my next job. Is it still classed as a split daily rest as I never did start / end country on the rest as I didn't expect being there that long? Even though I was on-call I was freely able to dispose of my time even though I didn't leave the cab.
Thanks.
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You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
wouldn't the rest end the second the call came through?
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
Not being a c**k about it, it's just something I've never come across before. My main question was really regarding not using start/end country.
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BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
Not being a c**k about it, it's just something I've never come across before. My main question was really regarding not using start/end country.
under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
Not being a c**k about it, it's just something I've never come across before. My main question was really regarding not using start/end country.
under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
how so?
He’s awaiting instruction so clearly not under instruction, and free to dispose of his time so under no obligation.
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
he wouldn’t have to put it on other work as strictly he wasn’t working,
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
And POA wouldn’t have strictly been legal as he didn’t know how long he was going to be there. So I think he’s made the right choice
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Jocks-Topp wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:43 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
And POA wouldn’t have strictly been legal as he didn’t know how long he was going to be there. So I think he’s made the right choice
In my opinion if you are awaiting a call about any sort of work then you aren’t on rest.
Happy to be corrected though.
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:43 am
Jocks-Topp wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:43 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
And POA wouldn’t have strictly been legal as he didn’t know how long he was going to be there. So I think he’s made the right choice
In my opinion if you are awaiting a call about any sort of work then you aren’t on rest.
Happy to be corrected though.
I corrected you.
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:43 am
Jocks-Topp wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:43 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
And POA wouldn’t have strictly been legal as he didn’t know how long he was going to be there. So I think he’s made the right choice
In my opinion if you are awaiting a call about any sort of work then you aren’t on rest.
Happy to be corrected though.
but if you waiting for a call you can still freely dispose of your time, it comes down to choice of the driver I think
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
Not being a c**k about it, it's just something I've never come across before. My main question was really regarding not using start/end country.
under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
so is "no" the answer to my question?
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BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am

Not being a c**k about it, it's just something I've never come across before. My main question was really regarding not using start/end country.
under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
so is "no" the answer to my question?
I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
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BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am

Not being a c**k about it, it's just something I've never come across before. My main question was really regarding not using start/end country.
under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
so is "no" the answer to my question?
If his employer had ring 10 mins into the period and can't get hold of him for another 2 hours 50 mins cos he's freely disposing of his time how do you reckon that conversation would go?
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 am

under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
so is "no" the answer to my question?
If his employer had ring 10 mins into the period and can't get hold of him for another 2 hours 50 mins cos he's freely disposing of his time how do you reckon that conversation would go?
thanks for the clarification. 👍
Ps. I am "him". It was my query as it happened to me today.
Cheers, Dude. 😁
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 am

under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
so is "no" the answer to my question?
I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
could you alter your answer, please. I really hate it when Daveaxio gives the correct information. 😭
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BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:56 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am

so is "no" the answer to my question?
I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
could you alter your answer, please. I really hate it when Daveaxio gives the correct information. 😭
sorry bud I didn't spot you as the op
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:57 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:56 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am

I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
could you alter your answer, please. I really hate it when Daveaxio gives the correct information. 😭
sorry bud I didn't spot you as the op
I realized that. You would have deleted it and we'd be having this conversation on pm. 😂
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BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:57 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:57 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:56 am

could you alter your answer, please. I really hate it when Daveaxio gives the correct information. 😭
sorry bud I didn't spot you as the op
I realized that. You would have deleted it and we'd be having this conversation on pm. 😂
As it doesn’t happen often I’ll take that as a compliment 🤣
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:58 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:57 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:57 am

sorry bud I didn't spot you as the op
I realized that. You would have deleted it and we'd be having this conversation on pm. 😂
As it doesn’t happen often I’ll take that as a compliment 🤣
are you even a driver anymore? 🤷‍♂️
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:58 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:57 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:57 am

sorry bud I didn't spot you as the op
I realized that. You would have deleted it and we'd be having this conversation on pm. 😂
As it doesn’t happen often I’ll take that as a compliment 🤣
what? 🤷‍♂️
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BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:58 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:58 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:57 am

I realized that. You would have deleted it and we'd be having this conversation on pm. 😂
As it doesn’t happen often I’ll take that as a compliment 🤣
what? 🤷‍♂️
I’m not actually sure where that came from 😆
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 am

under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
so is "no" the answer to my question?
I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
that doesn’t stop it being a Rest period. The rest period could end after 10m if he then had to work
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 am

under instruction or obligation still isn't he?
so is "no" the answer to my question?
If his employer had ring 10 mins into the period and can't get hold of him for another 2 hours 50 mins cos he's freely disposing of his time how do you reckon that conversation would go?
Meanwhile he has confirmed he was free to dispose of his time as he wished
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shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:59 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am

so is "no" the answer to my question?
I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
that doesn’t stop it being a Rest period. The rest period could end after 10m if he then had to work
what if he's not entirely sure what being able to freely dispose of his time means lol. He may have stated he was when he wasn't.
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shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:00 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am
BaiBaronn wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:49 am

so is "no" the answer to my question?
If his employer had ring 10 mins into the period and can't get hold of him for another 2 hours 50 mins cos he's freely disposing of his time how do you reckon that conversation would go?
Meanwhile he has confirmed he was free to dispose of his time as he wished
He " ended up" recording 3 hours much like a lot of other drivers do when clearly still under obligation or instruction. I think there's a difference in " sorry drive, your load ain't ready, well put you on a bay when it is" and "sorry drive, its gonna be at least 3 hours" Maybe that's more of an opinion than anything else though.
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:00 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:59 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am

I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
that doesn’t stop it being a Rest period. The rest period could end after 10m if he then had to work
what if he's not entirely sure what being able to freely dispose of his time means lol. He may have stated he was when he wasn't.
I’d suggest that’s your opinion and that legislation doesn’t contain opinions.
What are you going to do next, question his understanding of work?
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:00 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:00 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am

If his employer had ring 10 mins into the period and can't get hold of him for another 2 hours 50 mins cos he's freely disposing of his time how do you reckon that conversation would go?
Meanwhile he has confirmed he was free to dispose of his time as he wished
He " ended up" recording 3 hours much like a lot of other drivers do when clearly still under obligation or instruction. I think there's a difference in " sorry drive, your load ain't ready, well put you on a bay when it is" and "sorry drive, its gonna be at least 3 hours" Maybe that's more of an opinion than anything else though.
It’s as simple as “Hello drive my name is officer Freeburn from the DVSA. This period of 3+ hours you have recorded as bed - were you free to dispose of your time as you wish?”
“Yeah, boss said he’d phone me if he needed me and I could wander off or stay in the cab”
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:00 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:59 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am

I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
that doesn’t stop it being a Rest period. The rest period could end after 10m if he then had to work
what if he's not entirely sure what being able to freely dispose of his time means lol. He may have stated he was when he wasn't.
It would have been better had he recorded end Country and begin Country as this clearly denotes the intention but wouldn’t cause a problem
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:00 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:59 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am

I'd say, strictly speaking it can't be counted as rest. He awaiting instruction so still under obligation of his employer.
that doesn’t stop it being a Rest period. The rest period could end after 10m if he then had to work
what if he's not entirely sure what being able to freely dispose of his time means lol. He may have stated he was when he wasn't.
you could go on and say a daily rest isn’t a rest
As under obligation from the employer you must park at such and such truckstop
Or depot tonight for safe parking
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leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:00 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:00 am
leemo1246 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:55 am

If his employer had ring 10 mins into the period and can't get hold of him for another 2 hours 50 mins cos he's freely disposing of his time how do you reckon that conversation would go?
Meanwhile he has confirmed he was free to dispose of his time as he wished
He " ended up" recording 3 hours much like a lot of other drivers do when clearly still under obligation or instruction. I think there's a difference in " sorry drive, your load ain't ready, well put you on a bay when it is" and "sorry drive, its gonna be at least 3 hours" Maybe that's more of an opinion than anything else though.
Personally the post I would say split daily
The driver has chosen to stay in cab go to bed etc
Could say the same when my drivers do it on a ferry mid shift from Portsmouth
I instruct them
They must be on that ferry they have a cabin available and legally a split daily aswell
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
I’m sorry but that isn’t technically correct.
It is perfectly possible to be expecting a call but still freely disposing of your time as you wish
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
As long as he is not under instruction or obligation. i.e he can lock the cab and go for a wander telling his phone with him
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shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:06 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
I’m sorry but that isn’t technically correct.
It is perfectly possible to be expecting a call but still freely disposing of your time as you wish
Happy to be corrected 👌🏻
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shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:07 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
As long as he is not under instruction or obligation. i.e he can lock the cab and go for a wander telling his phone with him
Question though. If he’s expecting a call and is prepared to answer it, is he not then ‘working’ when he answers that call, so if it comes any time within that three hours, the ‘break’/‘rest’ has been interrupted?
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:08 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:06 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
I’m sorry but that isn’t technically correct.
It is perfectly possible to be expecting a call but still freely disposing of your time as you wish
Happy to be corrected 👌🏻
that’s an easy answer - no he’s not working when he answers the call. He’s choosing to answer it. He must be because he’s free to dispose of his time as he wishes
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:08 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:07 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
As long as he is not under instruction or obligation. i.e he can lock the cab and go for a wander telling his phone with him
Question though. If he’s expecting a call and is prepared to answer it, is he not then ‘working’ when he answers that call, so if it comes any time within that three hours, the ‘break’/‘rest’ has been interrupted?
If the caller then said “stand on one leg NOW!” And that caller was the employer then at the point he did that he is under instruction and obligation. The Rest finished. 😉
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:08 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:06 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
I’m sorry but that isn’t technically correct.
It is perfectly possible to be expecting a call but still freely disposing of your time as you wish
Happy to be corrected 👌🏻
To answer the OP. In my opinion as long as you were indeed free to dispose of your time as you wish then yes it was Rest
It would have been better to record end Country etc but here in the UK won’t cause a problem if you didn’t
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:08 am
shep1mode wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:07 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 am You were awaiting instructions so ready to answer the phone/email etc. So not classed as rest.
As long as he is not under instruction or obligation. i.e he can lock the cab and go for a wander telling his phone with him
Question though. If he’s expecting a call and is prepared to answer it, is he not then ‘working’ when he answers that call, so if it comes any time within that three hours, the ‘break’/‘rest’ has been interrupted?
I would however question whether you really were free to dispose of your time in the same way Leemo and Daveaxio have but if you say you were - we weren’t there.
Your tachograph will count it as a Split Rest no matter what you do anyway. It’s not clever enough to know otherwise.
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I would say it counts as a split
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Poa isn’t it🤷🏻
Unless it’s prebooked
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YetionDeop wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:30 am Poa isn’t it🤷🏻
Unless it’s prebooked
No as POA can only be used when the likely duration is known in advance.
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Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
How can you extend to a 16hr shift?
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
How can you extend to a 16hr shift?
you could old rules
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ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:38 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
How can you extend to a 16hr shift?
you could old rules
But it’s 2023 now. There’s lots of old rules that have been amended. We have to abide by them now, not the ones from decades ago.
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:38 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:38 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am

How can you extend to a 16hr shift?
you could old rules
But it’s 2023 now. There’s lots of old rules that have been amended. We have to abide by them now, not the ones from decades ago.
that's why i said could and not can
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ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:39 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:38 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:38 am

you could old rules
But it’s 2023 now. There’s lots of old rules that have been amended. We have to abide by them now, not the ones from decades ago.
that's why i said could and not can
What’s the point in saying what you could have back in the day?
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ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:39 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:38 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:38 am

you could old rules
But it’s 2023 now. There’s lots of old rules that have been amended. We have to abide by them now, not the ones from decades ago.
that's why i said could and not can
The guy needs advice on the present rules, not something he could’ve done years ago 🤷🏼
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:39 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:39 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:38 am

But it’s 2023 now. There’s lots of old rules that have been amended. We have to abide by them now, not the ones from decades ago.
that's why i said could and not can
The guy needs advice on the present rules, not something he could’ve done years ago 🤷🏼
it was asked and was getting confused with the old rules, i was clarifying things. Understand that?? Ffs
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ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:40 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:39 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:39 am

that's why i said could and not can
The guy needs advice on the present rules, not something he could’ve done years ago 🤷🏼
it was asked and was getting confused with the old rules, i was clarifying things. Understand that?? Ffs
Yes. I understand that fully. But the ‘old rules’ are irrelevant.
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:41 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:40 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:39 am

The guy needs advice on the present rules, not something he could’ve done years ago 🤷🏼
it was asked and was getting confused with the old rules, i was clarifying things. Understand that?? Ffs
Yes. I understand that fully. But the ‘old rules’ are irrelevant.
you asked how you can and i explained how you could, sorry for not telling you that you can't do that anymore...
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ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:41 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:41 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:40 am

it was asked and was getting confused with the old rules, i was clarifying things. Understand that?? Ffs
Yes. I understand that fully. But the ‘old rules’ are irrelevant.
you asked how you can and i explained how you could, sorry for not telling you that you can't do that anymore...
Advising the OP what he could have done years ago isn’t relevant to what he could do now though 🤷🏼
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DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:41 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:41 am

Yes. I understand that fully. But the ‘old rules’ are irrelevant.
you asked how you can and i explained how you could, sorry for not telling you that you can't do that anymore...
Advising the OP what he could have done years ago isn’t relevant to what he could do now though 🤷🏼
wasn't advising at all, was clearing up confusion.
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ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:41 am

you asked how you can and i explained how you could, sorry for not telling you that you can't do that anymore...
Advising the OP what he could have done years ago isn’t relevant to what he could do now though 🤷🏼
wasn't advising at all, was clearing up confusion.
did say Google it or vosa. Shall I delete make you feel better?
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am

Advising the OP what he could have done years ago isn’t relevant to what he could do now though 🤷🏼
wasn't advising at all, was clearing up confusion.
did say Google it or vosa. Shall I delete make you feel better?
don't delete it. This was a fun read. 😂
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am
DAVEAXIO wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am

Advising the OP what he could have done years ago isn’t relevant to what he could do now though 🤷🏼
wasn't advising at all, was clearing up confusion.
did say Google it or vosa. Shall I delete make you feel better?
those were the old rules. If you had 4 hrs rest during the day, you could do a 16hr shift. The 4hrs didn't have to be continuous, each rest had to be at least 1 hr
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ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:46 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am
ley8bios wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am

wasn't advising at all, was clearing up confusion.
did say Google it or vosa. Shall I delete make you feel better?
those were the old rules. If you had 4 hrs rest during the day, you could do a 16hr shift. The 4hrs didn't have to be continuous, each rest had to be at least 1 hr
yes looked it up. But thank you for the correction
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
you can only extend your working day to 15 hours only
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BOBDERS wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
you can only extend your working day to 15 hours only
old rules, did say as advice check Google or vosa website. Yes I said wrong but what aload of Karen's ffs.
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BOBDERS wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
you can only extend your working day to 15 hours only
Sorry to BaiBaronn think this lot think I should drop on a sword. Must be too dark to polish the wheel trims.
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
BOBDERS wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
you can only extend your working day to 15 hours only
old rules, did say as advice check Google or vosa website. Yes I said wrong but what aload of Karen's ffs.
I never said anything about 16 hour day I only said you can only extend your day to 15
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
BOBDERS wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
you can only extend your working day to 15 hours only
Sorry to BaiBaronn think this lot think I should drop on a sword. Must be too dark to polish the wheel trims.
As for the old rules forget them as they confuse you all and I’m confused enough at times without old rules 😆
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
BOBDERS wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
you can only extend your working day to 15 hours only
old rules, did say as advice check Google or vosa website. Yes I said wrong but what aload of Karen's ffs.
I’ve been in this game long enough to know the rules
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
BOBDERS wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
you can only extend your working day to 15 hours only
old rules, did say as advice check Google or vosa website. Yes I said wrong but what aload of Karen's ffs.
We are Karens because we don’t give advice that was maybe correct 20/30/40yrs ago?
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
BOBDERS wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:50 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
you can only extend your working day to 15 hours only
Sorry to BaiBaronn think this lot think I should drop on a sword. Must be too dark to polish the wheel trims.
Rules and regulations change, so giving outdated advice is pointless, Karens or not……
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
never heard of a 16 hour shift !!!
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mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:59 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
never heard of a 16 hour shift !!!
before yr time then mate
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:59 am
mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:59 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
never heard of a 16 hour shift !!!
before yr time then mate
been at it 45 years so should imagine I have heard of a legal 16 hour shift,
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:59 am
mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:59 am
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:35 am Can't remember if it 3 or 4hrs you can extend to 16 maybe wrong. But Google it or check vosa ,sorry thought you ment on break (bed) rest
never heard of a 16 hour shift !!!
before yr time then mate
only time it was allowed is when government relaxed the hours for covid so some fools can work even longer hours
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mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:00 pm
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:59 am
mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:59 am

never heard of a 16 hour shift !!!
before yr time then mate
only time it was allowed is when government relaxed the hours for covid so some fools can work even longer hours
think it was you had a 4 hour rest. Either 8 and 4 the other or the other way round but you had to have 12 off after.
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:00 pm
mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:00 pm
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:59 am

before yr time then mate
only time it was allowed is when government relaxed the hours for covid so some fools can work even longer hours
think it was you had a 4 hour rest. Either 8 and 4 the other or the other way round but you had to have 12 off after.
No idea really
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mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:01 pm
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:00 pm
mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:00 pm

only time it was allowed is when government relaxed the hours for covid so some fools can work even longer hours
think it was you had a 4 hour rest. Either 8 and 4 the other or the other way round but you had to have 12 off after.
No idea really
are you ready to hang it up mekk or you still got diesel in the tank 👍 iam ready was an adventure
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Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:01 pm
mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:01 pm
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:00 pm

think it was you had a 4 hour rest. Either 8 and 4 the other or the other way round but you had to have 12 off after.
No idea really
are you ready to hang it up mekk or you still got diesel in the tank 👍 iam ready was an adventure
ready to hang me keys up, got a bloody headache lol
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mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:02 pm
Worenn_MK wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:01 pm
mekk-dico wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:01 pm

No idea really
are you ready to hang it up mekk or you still got diesel in the tank 👍 iam ready was an adventure
ready to hang me keys up, got a bloody headache lol
lol. Got that cold that is ment to be covid underneath but the LFT can't identify it. Fighting the coffin lid. Pmsl
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