What is it with all the horse boxes causing delays with breakdowns, aren't they subject to same 6 week checks as

[PARKFINN]

What is it with all the horse boxes causing delays with breakdowns, aren't they subject to same 6 week checks as trucks?

[youBuzz]

Some only get used a few weeks a year

[AndTinny]

Some only get used a few weeks a year

bit like having a wife then

[jonarach08]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

[CoClivee]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

horsy people are not renowned for spending money on their horse boxes

[jonarach08]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

horsy people are not renowned for spending money on their horse boxes

some do sometimes I deliver to a company in Birmingham that make them and some of them a massively expensive and are well looked after but you're right vast majority of these people have money and no common sense

[CoClivee]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

horsy people are not renowned for spending money on their horse boxes

some do sometimes I deliver to a company in Birmingham that make them and some of them a massively expensive and are well looked after but you're right vast majority of these people have money and no common sense

I certainly was not referring to to the “ Super “ horse transporters they are in a league of their own but when you have seen spare wheels totally corroded away by horse urine and the damage it’s done to chassis

[micieUxca]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

horsy people are not renowned for spending money on their horse boxes

some do sometimes I deliver to a company in Birmingham that make them and some of them a massively expensive and are well looked after but you're right vast majority of these people have money and no common sense

I think he meant the Ford Cargo's with no footwell left

[Zackeran]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

horsy people are not renowned for spending money on their horse boxes

I own one and we are constantly maintaining ours and I check over it weekly

[CoClivee]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

horsy people are not renowned for spending money on their horse boxes

I own one and we are constantly maintaining ours and I check over it weekly

not everyone drives them and when it pack up says why? and is surprised when the word maintenance comes up

[Zackeran]

horsy people are not renowned for spending money on their horse boxes

I own one and we are constantly maintaining ours and I check over it weekly

not everyone drives them and when it pack up says why? and is surprised when the word maintenance comes up

there is some dog horse lorrys out there but our Mercedes 814 gets anythink it’s needs even tho it’s not used 24/7
I’m a mechanic by trade and drive for a living I check it a week before we have it out and pre check it as I would before going out on the road to make sure It’s all okay
I do agree they should be maintained properly but half of them just sit in a field can normally spot a dog rough horse lorry from a mile away

[handevg778]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

I reckon a lot of them are old sheds

[kiermo]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

I reckon a lot of them are old sheds

or the nice new motors but can't afford the upkeep lol

[jonarach08]

I reckon not alot of them are old sheds poorly maintained probably only used a few times a year

I reckon a lot of them are old sheds

or the nice new motors but can't afford the upkeep lol

some of the ones I've seen in build price of £500k

[kiermo]

I reckon a lot of them are old sheds

or the nice new motors but can't afford the upkeep lol

some of the ones I've seen in build price of £500k

exactly! One local to hear lovely Oakley scania but absolutely smashed to bits!

[alexiss]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

[Austinfo]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

it's called preventative maintenance. Potentially spots a problem before it breaks or fails.

[alexiss]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

it's called preventative maintenance. Potentially spots a problem before it breaks or fails.

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

[Webcorr]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

it's called preventative maintenance. Potentially spots a problem before it breaks or fails.

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

the 6 weekly on my scania recovery truck didn't stop a water pipe getting a hole in it.

[alexiss]

it's called preventative maintenance. Potentially spots a problem before it breaks or fails.

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

the 6 weekly on my scania recovery truck didn't stop a water pipe getting a hole in it.

someone with common sense

[Austinfo]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

it's called preventative maintenance. Potentially spots a problem before it breaks or fails.

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

there can be tell tale signs. So there is a reality to spot a potential fault developing and prevent it.

[Webcorr]

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

the 6 weekly on my scania recovery truck didn't stop a water pipe getting a hole in it.

someone with common sense

you sure?

[alexiss]

the 6 weekly on my scania recovery truck didn't stop a water pipe getting a hole in it.

someone with common sense

you sure?

looks fine to me

[alexiss]

it's called preventative maintenance. Potentially spots a problem before it breaks or fails.

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

there can be tell tale signs. So there is a reality to spot a potential fault developing and prevent it.

you must have a crystal ball instead of a tappyhammer

[Webcorr]

someone with common sense

you sure?

looks fine to me

9 straps adverse camber on motorway was interesting

[Austinfo]

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

there can be tell tale signs. So there is a reality to spot a potential fault developing and prevent it.

you must have a crystal ball instead of a tappyhammer

no just good at my job

[stgreet]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

you can see the diff seal leaking, the crack in the spring, the perished bushes, the oil all over the sump on a check.. of they go unchecked they will fail.

[alexiss]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

you can see the diff seal leaking, the crack in the spring, the perished bushes, the oil all over the sump on a check.. of they go unchecked they will fail.

nah you cannot like a diff doesn't need a leak to to obliterate itself does it? A spring can snap after being overloaded, the oil all over the sump doesn't tell you it's going to chuck a leg out of bed does it?
Another whopper who knows it all

[stgreet]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

you can see the diff seal leaking, the crack in the spring, the perished bushes, the oil all over the sump on a check.. of they go unchecked they will fail.

nah you cannot like a diff doesn't need a leak to to obliterate itself does it? A spring can snap after being overloaded, the oil all over the sump doesn't tell you it's going to chuck a leg out of bed does it?
Another whopper who knows it all

If a diff or engine runs out of oil, it will give up, I know it can also give up without notice, but it is guaranteed to fail if it's dry.
We are exempt from mot, o licence and 6 weekly but I still do 6 weekly just to check for these obvious signs, I would rather change a diff seal, sump gasket or leaky filter than a whole engine or diff when it runs dry.

[taiNews]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

obviously not you either, diff wear should be checked, oil in the air tanks or air dryer can indicate worn compressor , king pins , drag links , ball joint ends all should be checked for wear as you say springs can break but air bags don't usually just fail , you get signs of chaffing or rubbing .
If the 6 week safety inspection is carried out properly and conscientiously combined with drivers that carry out daily checks and have a basic knowledge of the vehicles theyre driving along with defect reporting , breakdowns become few and far between but it takes commitment from all involved .

[alexiss]

you can see the diff seal leaking, the crack in the spring, the perished bushes, the oil all over the sump on a check.. of they go unchecked they will fail.

nah you cannot like a diff doesn't need a leak to to obliterate itself does it? A spring can snap after being overloaded, the oil all over the sump doesn't tell you it's going to chuck a leg out of bed does it?
Another whopper who knows it all

If a diff or engine runs out of oil, it will give up, I know it can also give up without notice, but it is guaranteed to fail if it's dry.
We are exempt from mot, o licence and 6 weekly but I still do 6 weekly just to check for these obvious signs, I would rather change a diff seal, sump gasket or leaky filter than a whole engine or diff when it runs dry.

I agree but a diff can go without notice and that's without a leaking diff seal etc.

[alexiss]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

obviously not you either, diff wear should be checked, oil in the air tanks or air dryer can indicate worn compressor , king pins , drag links , ball joint ends all should be checked for wear as you say springs can break but air bags don't usually just fail , you get signs of chaffing or rubbing .
If the 6 week safety inspection is carried out properly and conscientiously combined with drivers that carry out daily checks and have a basic knowledge of the vehicles theyre driving along with defect reporting , breakdowns become few and far between but it takes commitment from all involved .

so you're telling me diff wear gets checked on a 6 weekly? I'm struggling to find it on a the pmi sheet like

[stgreet]

nah you cannot like a diff doesn't need a leak to to obliterate itself does it? A spring can snap after being overloaded, the oil all over the sump doesn't tell you it's going to chuck a leg out of bed does it?
Another whopper who knows it all

If a diff or engine runs out of oil, it will give up, I know it can also give up without notice, but it is guaranteed to fail if it's dry.
We are exempt from mot, o licence and 6 weekly but I still do 6 weekly just to check for these obvious signs, I would rather change a diff seal, sump gasket or leaky filter than a whole engine or diff when it runs dry.

I agree but a diff can go without notice and that's without a leaking diff seal etc.

well aware of that, had it plenty of times. We used to run a fleet of foden and erf until recently. I know every hard shoulder in the country! a quick look underneath definitely doesn't do any harm!

[alexiss]

If a diff or engine runs out of oil, it will give up, I know it can also give up without notice, but it is guaranteed to fail if it's dry.
We are exempt from mot, o licence and 6 weekly but I still do 6 weekly just to check for these obvious signs, I would rather change a diff seal, sump gasket or leaky filter than a whole engine or diff when it runs dry.

I agree but a diff can go without notice and that's without a leaking diff seal etc.

well aware of that, had it plenty of times. We used to run a fleet of foden and erf until recently. I know every hard shoulder in the country! a quick look underneath definitely doesn't do any harm!

I'm not saying not to check them I'm just sayin if a diff hasn't got a leak at the seal or porus casing how can you tell if that that diff will go.

[taiNews]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

obviously not you either, diff wear should be checked, oil in the air tanks or air dryer can indicate worn compressor , king pins , drag links , ball joint ends all should be checked for wear as you say springs can break but air bags don't usually just fail , you get signs of chaffing or rubbing .
If the 6 week safety inspection is carried out properly and conscientiously combined with drivers that carry out daily checks and have a basic knowledge of the vehicles theyre driving along with defect reporting , breakdowns become few and far between but it takes commitment from all involved .

so you're telling me diff wear gets checked on a 6 weekly? I'm struggling to find it on a the pmi sheet like

better go to spec savers then .
Unless they have changed them , the Volvo inspection and servce sheets but a bit of paper makes no difference iit relies on everyone doing their job properly

[MickFollow]

How can a 6 weekly prevent a breakdown?

no they don't

[timrozz]

it's called preventative maintenance. Potentially spots a problem before it breaks or fails.

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

the 6 weekly on my scania recovery truck didn't stop a water pipe getting a hole in it.

Scania 4 series were prone to have the clutch masters and the brush's in the alternator go, Both temporarily fixable, If I had one I'd be inclined to replace them before they give trouble.

[Webcorr]

so you can tell on a 6 weekly if a diff is about to blow its brains out? Or a compressor can fail? Or a spring can snap?
Does no one live in reality anymore

the 6 weekly on my scania recovery truck didn't stop a water pipe getting a hole in it.

Scania 4 series were prone to have the clutch masters and the brush's in the alternator go, Both temporarily fixable, If I had one I'd be inclined to replace them before they give trouble.

both done

[JohnStrong]

Neeeyyyy

[ianrgrato96]

Neeeyyyy

trot on you

[PARKFINN]

Neeeyyyy

trot on you

stop horsing around

[ianrgrato96]

Neeeyyyy

trot on you

stop horsing around

woahhhhh

[joyatt2912]

trot on you

stop horsing around

woahhhhh

always with a long face tho

[tonessy]

No operators licence so DVSA can’t do anything with them, stand in a field 10 months a year then expected good to go

[Callumen]

No operators licence so DVSA can’t do anything with them, stand in a field 10 months a year then expected good to go

DVSA can touch them regardless of be on an O-license or not.

[tonessy]

No operators licence so DVSA can’t do anything with them, stand in a field 10 months a year then expected good to go

DVSA can touch them regardless of be on an O-license or not.

only if stopped on roadside and defects found, same as any vehicle, but can’t revoke entitlement to drive them, so many use the loophole of not needing operators licence they don’t end up in front of the Traffic Commissioner, farmers, recovery, scaffolders etc, these horror boxes are end of life vehicles that have maintenance when sent for MOT and little else, they need to be regulated sadly

[Callumen]

No operators licence so DVSA can’t do anything with them, stand in a field 10 months a year then expected good to go

DVSA can touch them regardless of be on an O-license or not.

only if stopped on roadside and defects found, same as any vehicle, but can’t revoke entitlement to drive them, so many use the loophole of not needing operators licence they don’t end up in front of the Traffic Commissioner, farmers, recovery, scaffolders etc, these horror boxes are end of life vehicles that have maintenance when sent for MOT and little else, they need to be regulated sadly

can still be prohibited if found to be unsafe and the driver fined. Problem is DVSA are too busy pulling freight haulers.

[tonessy]

DVSA can touch them regardless of be on an O-license or not.

only if stopped on roadside and defects found, same as any vehicle, but can’t revoke entitlement to drive them, so many use the loophole of not needing operators licence they don’t end up in front of the Traffic Commissioner, farmers, recovery, scaffolders etc, these horror boxes are end of life vehicles that have maintenance when sent for MOT and little else, they need to be regulated sadly

can still be prohibited if found to be unsafe and the driver fined. Problem is DVSA are too busy pulling freight haulers.

trouble is any law abiding company can have the operators revoked where as a horsebox owner carries on with sub standard vehicles, they scrape through a test then forget any maintenance till the next test, no matter how many times they are pulled or breakdown due to poor maintenance.

[Katrac]

No there not regulated by operators licance

[IanneVibrant]

Not if its for personal use and non commercial

[hadjeeNico]

Not if its for personal use and non commercial

but the majority are but pretending not to

[ellinett]

Not if its for personal use and non commercial

but the majority are but pretending not to

dvsa are targeting a lot of horse boxes for that reason. I read something saying they believe the numbers being used commercially but not registered are huge.

[neepwre21]

Not if its for personal use and non commercial

but the majority are but pretending not to

dvsa are targeting a lot of horse boxes for that reason. I read something saying they believe the numbers being used commercially but not registered are huge.

true. They were on the horsebox entrance at the Royal Welsh Show checking all boxes and trailers I believe.

[Chellex]

Unfortunately not, horseboxes are probably the worst maintained vehicles on the road! This is coming from someone who has horses

[Jokhshum03]

Unfortunately not, horseboxes are probably the worst maintained vehicles on the road! This is coming from someone who has horses

Interesting to hear what is then ..

[aitkeny]

No not a commercial vehicle, like a caravan which also suffer Hardly Used Breakdowns & Punctures!!!

[kiermo]

That's a sore subject, dvsa are cracking down on hoeseboxes/lorries!

[Scottch]

Spend all money feeding the 4 legged mules. Nothing left for maintenance.

[Jammer18]

Spend all money feeding the 4 legged mules. Nothing left for maintenance.

their a nightmare to get money for hay they have off us farmers to.

[lamards]

Spend all money feeding the 4 legged mules. Nothing left for maintenance.

How many three legged mules do you know of then?

[Scottch]

Spend all money feeding the 4 legged mules. Nothing left for maintenance.

How many three legged mules do you know of then?

7

[TreMoto]

A sector that needs improvement for its own good! As does film industry transport. What level playing field?

[Rankenda]

The commercial ones are subject to the same regs but the private ones don’t have to… Plus usually driven on grandfather rights

[hadjeeNico]

The commercial ones are subject to the same regs but the private ones don’t have to… Plus usually driven on grandfather rights

but if a prize of any kind is won ,or the box has a company name on it it immediately becomes a commercial vehicle subject to operators license, hgv where appropriate and tachograph

[Rankenda]

The commercial ones are subject to the same regs but the private ones don’t have to… Plus usually driven on grandfather rights

but if a prize of any kind is won ,or the box has a company name on it it immediately becomes a commercial vehicle subject to operators license, hgv where appropriate and tachograph

correct, I do commercial horse transport only - very interesting to see some of the smaller trucks slip up on that one

[hadjeeNico]

The commercial ones are subject to the same regs but the private ones don’t have to… Plus usually driven on grandfather rights

but if a prize of any kind is won ,or the box has a company name on it it immediately becomes a commercial vehicle subject to operators license, hgv where appropriate and tachograph

correct, I do commercial horse transport only - very interesting to see some of the smaller trucks slip up on that one

is known some who claim 18tonners are “a motorhome”

[Rankenda]

but if a prize of any kind is won ,or the box has a company name on it it immediately becomes a commercial vehicle subject to operators license, hgv where appropriate and tachograph

correct, I do commercial horse transport only - very interesting to see some of the smaller trucks slip up on that one

is known some who claim 18tonners are “a motorhome”

technically if it’s more than 50% living area then they can but they’re starting to crack down on those too. The loopholes are closing which is good for those who do it properly

[hadjeeNico]

correct, I do commercial horse transport only - very interesting to see some of the smaller trucks slip up on that one

is known some who claim 18tonners are “a motorhome”

technically if it’s more than 50% living area then they can but they’re starting to crack down on those too. The loopholes are closing which is good for those who do it properly

tbh so many dodgy areas, like a pick up or car pulling a horse box, most should have a tacho if little dobbin wins a rosette!

[Rankenda]

is known some who claim 18tonners are “a motorhome”

technically if it’s more than 50% living area then they can but they’re starting to crack down on those too. The loopholes are closing which is good for those who do it properly

tbh so many dodgy areas, like a pick up or car pulling a horse box, most should have a tacho if little dobbin wins a rosette!

yep! Best to stick to the 44 tonners and do it right - need all the papers to cover your back anyways as you never know what could happen!

[albMurphy]

The commercial ones are subject to the same regs but the private ones don’t have to… Plus usually driven on grandfather rights

but if a prize of any kind is won ,or the box has a company name on it it immediately becomes a commercial vehicle subject to operators license, hgv where appropriate and tachograph

I’m curious whether that would also apply to people taking classic vehicles to motor shows and winning a best in class certificate, or amateur motorsport… only ever seem to hear it mentioned in relation to equestrian competitions.

[hadjeeNico]

The commercial ones are subject to the same regs but the private ones don’t have to… Plus usually driven on grandfather rights

but if a prize of any kind is won ,or the box has a company name on it it immediately becomes a commercial vehicle subject to operators license, hgv where appropriate and tachograph

I’m curious whether that would also apply to people taking classic vehicles to motor shows and winning a best in class certificate, or amateur motorsport… only ever seem to hear it mentioned in relation to equestrian competitions.

good point, same rules apply for trailers carrying show vehicles, but not sure about tax and test exempt hgvs

[Peteines]

but if a prize of any kind is won ,or the box has a company name on it it immediately becomes a commercial vehicle subject to operators license, hgv where appropriate and tachograph

I’m curious whether that would also apply to people taking classic vehicles to motor shows and winning a best in class certificate, or amateur motorsport… only ever seem to hear it mentioned in relation to equestrian competitions.

good point, same rules apply for trailers carrying show vehicles, but not sure about tax and test exempt hgvs

incorrect unfortunately. Having a sponsorship doesn't mean it's under full regs.
The same goes for winning prizes. This one is even tacho exempt

[hadjeeNico]

I’m curious whether that would also apply to people taking classic vehicles to motor shows and winning a best in class certificate, or amateur motorsport… only ever seem to hear it mentioned in relation to equestrian competitions.

good point, same rules apply for trailers carrying show vehicles, but not sure about tax and test exempt hgvs

incorrect unfortunately. Having a sponsorship doesn't mean it's under full regs.
The same goes for winning prizes. This one is even tacho exempt

the way a vosa told me was that if you have a sponsors name and business on it its classed as hire and reward

[hadjeeNico]

I’m curious whether that would also apply to people taking classic vehicles to motor shows and winning a best in class certificate, or amateur motorsport… only ever seem to hear it mentioned in relation to equestrian competitions.

good point, same rules apply for trailers carrying show vehicles, but not sure about tax and test exempt hgvs

incorrect unfortunately. Having a sponsorship doesn't mean it's under full regs.
The same goes for winning prizes. This one is even tacho exempt

https://smithbowyerclarke.co.uk/horsebo ... m-i-legal/

[Peteines]

good point, same rules apply for trailers carrying show vehicles, but not sure about tax and test exempt hgvs

incorrect unfortunately. Having a sponsorship doesn't mean it's under full regs.
The same goes for winning prizes. This one is even tacho exempt

the way a vosa told me was that if you have a sponsors name and business on it its classed as hire and reward

hire and reward is classed as operating as a business, to earn money.
If you’re riding a horse professionally and that’s how you earn a living, then yes.
Just putting a companies name on a truck as a bit of advertising because they might give you some free products isn’t the same.
My box only carries our own horses, I could put the name of the company I work for on it if I wanted to because they allow me to use their company accounts for tyres and fuel if I need to, but I always have to pay it back, but it’s helpful if we have any puncture while we’re out ect.
But it’s not a business I am running and our costs far outweigh any money the kids might win, and that’s their winnings not mine, I just get the expense of taking then there, insurance for the truck fuel and maintenance far exceeds anything they could win in a year!