Every time I do the tacho cpc I get into an argument with the instructor! This time it was you MUST remove your card

[Jiggy]

I did complain to driverhire but didn’t think about reporting them to dvla.

it's the DVSA that are responsible for driver CPCs.

yeah I wasn’t thinking lol. I did realise after I commented but too late by then.

not the company mentioned here, but in the last week:
We were told that the driver of a van & trailer (driven on a Cat B licence) needs a DCPC "if it's for hire and reward"
EN12642XL trailers were repeatedly described as "extra large trailers"
These "extra large" trailers were OK for the load not to be strapped as long as there wasn't more than 80 centimetres between the load and the curtains!
Trainer was unable to explain the very basic 100% 50% 50% load restraint requirement diagram.
He'd "looked it up a while ago, but couldn't remember what it meant"
He had a stab at it and thought that it meant the load was allowed to move 50% to the side...
We were advised that as soon as you put a trailer behind a 3,500 kgs van, it only legally need to have 1mm of tread on the tyres.
And that's just a few!
I really enjoyed the videos that featured Vosa and analogue tachograph discs too.

[KnKnightro]

it's the DVSA that are responsible for driver CPCs.

yeah I wasn’t thinking lol. I did realise after I commented but too late by then.

not the company mentioned here, but in the last week:
We were told that the driver of a van & trailer (driven on a Cat B licence) needs a DCPC "if it's for hire and reward"
EN12642XL trailers were repeatedly described as "extra large trailers"
These "extra large" trailers were OK for the load not to be strapped as long as there wasn't more than 80 centimetres between the load and the curtains!
Trainer was unable to explain the very basic 100% 50% 50% load restraint requirement diagram.
He'd "looked it up a while ago, but couldn't remember what it meant"
He had a stab at it and thought that it meant the load was allowed to move 50% to the side...
We were advised that as soon as you put a trailer behind a 3,500 kgs van, it only legally need to have 1mm of tread on the tyres.
And that's just a few!
I really enjoyed the videos that featured Vosa and analogue tachograph discs too.

I really don’t understand were they get their license (if they need one) to run these courses from. You really can understand why people hate going on them. Even more so the online ones. Probably because you can’t get up and punch the trainer

[Jiggy]

yeah I wasn’t thinking lol. I did realise after I commented but too late by then.

not the company mentioned here, but in the last week:
We were told that the driver of a van & trailer (driven on a Cat B licence) needs a DCPC "if it's for hire and reward"
EN12642XL trailers were repeatedly described as "extra large trailers"
These "extra large" trailers were OK for the load not to be strapped as long as there wasn't more than 80 centimetres between the load and the curtains!
Trainer was unable to explain the very basic 100% 50% 50% load restraint requirement diagram.
He'd "looked it up a while ago, but couldn't remember what it meant"
He had a stab at it and thought that it meant the load was allowed to move 50% to the side...
We were advised that as soon as you put a trailer behind a 3,500 kgs van, it only legally need to have 1mm of tread on the tyres.
And that's just a few!
I really enjoyed the videos that featured Vosa and analogue tachograph discs too.

I really don’t understand were they get their license (if they need one) to run these courses from. You really can understand why people hate going on them. Even more so the online ones. Probably because you can’t get up and punch the trainer

in all seriousness, these were a perfect demonstration of why so many drivers resent having to attend periodic training.

[KnKnightro]

not the company mentioned here, but in the last week:
We were told that the driver of a van & trailer (driven on a Cat B licence) needs a DCPC "if it's for hire and reward"
EN12642XL trailers were repeatedly described as "extra large trailers"
These "extra large" trailers were OK for the load not to be strapped as long as there wasn't more than 80 centimetres between the load and the curtains!
Trainer was unable to explain the very basic 100% 50% 50% load restraint requirement diagram.
He'd "looked it up a while ago, but couldn't remember what it meant"
He had a stab at it and thought that it meant the load was allowed to move 50% to the side...
We were advised that as soon as you put a trailer behind a 3,500 kgs van, it only legally need to have 1mm of tread on the tyres.
And that's just a few!
I really enjoyed the videos that featured Vosa and analogue tachograph discs too.

I really don’t understand were they get their license (if they need one) to run these courses from. You really can understand why people hate going on them. Even more so the online ones. Probably because you can’t get up and punch the trainer

in all seriousness, these were a perfect demonstration of why so many drivers resent having to attend periodic training.

I could not agree more.

[woodysinn24]

if I have the keys the card stays in

[Michaero628]

If I’m in the lorry for a week I leave it in. If I go home in the week I take it out I’ve never been told it has to come out at the end of my shift

[Astthamdo]

Personal preference

[wee2760]

I leave it in and put it on break when I finish for the day… And knock it on other work when I’ve had my rest period for walk around checks… Been pulled in by DVSA lately and they downloaded tacho head and my card and nothing was said… so the people saying you’ll get fined etc… you’re full of shi**.

[Andd.Cincox]

If you are tramping why on earth would you want to take it out then piss about with manual entries, digital tachographs were designed to leave card in while your on a night out then it shows your legal break without the need to add manual entries, just tell your CPC trainer he / her / or whatever they class there self as they are talking sh*t.

[KarlRox]

The only time a manual record or entry is legally required is when:
Reason Action
Activity takes place away from the vehicle and is not possible to use the tachograph. Manual record to be kept on analogue record sheet, on printout paper or by manual input on a digital or smart tachograph where possible.
The tachograph or card malfunctions. Manual record must be kept on an analogue record sheet or on printout paper.
The rules are breached due to an unforeseen event (see page 19). Record reasons on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll, at the latest on arrival at the suitable stopping place.
A record needs to be corrected because the incorrect mode has been recorded Amend record, including the reason, on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll as soon as possible.
Manual records must be kept and produced in the same way as any other record which has been produced using the tachograph.

[Nigeloomi]

The only time a manual record or entry is legally required is when:
Reason Action
Activity takes place away from the vehicle and is not possible to use the tachograph. Manual record to be kept on analogue record sheet, on printout paper or by manual input on a digital or smart tachograph where possible.
The tachograph or card malfunctions. Manual record must be kept on an analogue record sheet or on printout paper.
The rules are breached due to an unforeseen event (see page 19). Record reasons on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll, at the latest on arrival at the suitable stopping place.
A record needs to be corrected because the incorrect mode has been recorded Amend record, including the reason, on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll as soon as possible.
Manual records must be kept and produced in the same way as any other record which has been produced using the tachograph.

The manual entry wasn’t the issue, I choose to do that. The issue is he said I MUST remove my card when taking a rest period away from the vehicles operating centre, this is incorrect. He could have said he "advised" drivers to remove it

[jamexxli]

The only time a manual record or entry is legally required is when:
Reason Action
Activity takes place away from the vehicle and is not possible to use the tachograph. Manual record to be kept on analogue record sheet, on printout paper or by manual input on a digital or smart tachograph where possible.
The tachograph or card malfunctions. Manual record must be kept on an analogue record sheet or on printout paper.
The rules are breached due to an unforeseen event (see page 19). Record reasons on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll, at the latest on arrival at the suitable stopping place.
A record needs to be corrected because the incorrect mode has been recorded Amend record, including the reason, on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll as soon as possible.
Manual records must be kept and produced in the same way as any other record which has been produced using the tachograph.

you are forgetting changing countries if crossing borders and the end of shift and start of shift if leaving the card in

[KarlRox]

The only time a manual record or entry is legally required is when:
Reason Action
Activity takes place away from the vehicle and is not possible to use the tachograph. Manual record to be kept on analogue record sheet, on printout paper or by manual input on a digital or smart tachograph where possible.
The tachograph or card malfunctions. Manual record must be kept on an analogue record sheet or on printout paper.
The rules are breached due to an unforeseen event (see page 19). Record reasons on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll, at the latest on arrival at the suitable stopping place.
A record needs to be corrected because the incorrect mode has been recorded Amend record, including the reason, on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll as soon as possible.
Manual records must be kept and produced in the same way as any other record which has been produced using the tachograph.

you are forgetting changing countries if crossing borders and the end of shift and start of shift if leaving the card in

the above is from the government site

[dangry]

The only time a manual record or entry is legally required is when:
Reason Action
Activity takes place away from the vehicle and is not possible to use the tachograph. Manual record to be kept on analogue record sheet, on printout paper or by manual input on a digital or smart tachograph where possible.
The tachograph or card malfunctions. Manual record must be kept on an analogue record sheet or on printout paper.
The rules are breached due to an unforeseen event (see page 19). Record reasons on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll, at the latest on arrival at the suitable stopping place.
A record needs to be corrected because the incorrect mode has been recorded Amend record, including the reason, on a printout or the reverse of a portion of print roll as soon as possible.
Manual records must be kept and produced in the same way as any other record which has been produced using the tachograph.

you are forgetting changing countries if crossing borders and the end of shift and start of shift if leaving the card in

You can change countries with the card in.

[lactogenic]

It’s not like you to speak your mind

[Nigeloomi]

It’s not like you to speak your mind

I had the same instructor the following week on a H&S and fire marshal course, my mic was on mute all day

[lactogenic]

It’s not like you to speak your mind

I had the same instructor the following week on a H&S and fire marshal course, my mic was on mute all day

I did a cpc one to one with a guy from Scania and he told me that you can be fined if you’re screen wash didn’t have a certain percentage of additive in it I asked him how on earth can you know that especially if you have a different unit every day his reply was that’s the driver’s responsibility
Let’s just say it was a long day

[Scotterip]

I leave my card in all week. Recently had a full tacho and truck download courtesy of west mids police. Didn't say a dime to me. I only do end country and start country if I've actually changed country.

[neissbone60]

I leave my card in all week. Recently had a full tacho and truck download courtesy of west mids police. Didn't say a dime to me. I only do end country and start country if I've actually changed country.

What he does.

[Peteines]

I leave my card in all week. Recently had a full tacho and truck download courtesy of west mids police. Didn't say a dime to me. I only do end country and start country if I've actually changed country.

it's no different than what we had to do when on the old discs, except we used to put the town down, now you have to put the country.

[DaviRipp]

over the years ,
inc the prehistoric era of paper and non manual entry recording systems ,,,,,,
I've found it easier to explain in my mother tongue to the relevant authorities why I leave it in ,
rather than argue about paying a pseudo penalty to some money grabbing jobsworth , especially on a Friday

[pabs0nTran]

Tell him he’s lucky if you got one still in by the end of shift

[STEZymemo]

I take mine out at the end of every shift never had a problem even when pulled by vosa they didn’t have a problem with it

[Nigeloomi]

I take mine out at the end of every shift never had a problem even when pulled by vosa they didn’t have a problem with it

In or out it’s drivers choice both are ok

[STEZymemo]

I take mine out at the end of every shift never had a problem even when pulled by vosa they didn’t have a problem with it

In or out it’s drivers choice both are ok

yes very true have always taken mine out

[KyNath]

I leave mine in all week. Just start and end place

[Wainfo80]

I wise man once said , never ask or question anything on a cpc mod

[jacrigo]

Why are you arguing with someone who probably has no HGV experience and doesn’t understand what the job entails
Just nod, keep quiet and move on
There’s No point arguing with an idiot who thinks they know more than you

[peazen26]

Some dcpc instructor he/she is

[lexxam52]

I think you’ll find the CPC instructor is ALWAYS right

[mur2sage]

I think you’ll find the CPC instructor is ALWAYS right

and your wife..........

[lexxam52]

I think you’ll find the CPC instructor is ALWAYS right

and your wife..........

oh that’s soooo true mate ‘so true’

[crighRonni]

I've never done a manual entry to record the country I'm in when tramping and leaving g the card in overnight. Didn't even think you could . I mean what difference does it make? Especially if you never leave the UK.

[CallagHead]

I've never done a manual entry to record the country I'm in when tramping and leaving g the card in overnight. Didn't even think you could . I mean what difference does it make? Especially if you never leave the UK.

if you don't remove the card there is no reason to enter start/end country. Card put in UK travel around Europe 2 weeks (taking required breaks/rest periods) leaving card in. Finish back in UK, end of shift. Only need country entry if the card is ejected

[Jiggy]

I've never done a manual entry to record the country I'm in when tramping and leaving g the card in overnight. Didn't even think you could . I mean what difference does it make? Especially if you never leave the UK.

if you don't remove the card there is no reason to enter start/end country. Card put in UK travel around Europe 2 weeks (taking required breaks/rest periods) leaving card in. Finish back in UK, end of shift. Only need country entry if the card is ejected

start and end country are a legal requirement for every shift whether the card is removed or not.

[mikendie]

What did you do with paper was always my argument,
They insist on keeping it in in certain countries in Europe but I have never had anyone complain removing it in the UK, the head still records the vehicle so provable at all times

[dangry]

What did you do with paper was always my argument,
They insist on keeping it in in certain countries in Europe but I have never had anyone complain removing it in the UK, the head still records the vehicle so provable at all times

nowhere insists you keep it in.

[mikendie]

What did you do with paper was always my argument,
They insist on keeping it in in certain countries in Europe but I have never had anyone complain removing it in the UK, the head still records the vehicle so provable at all times

nowhere insists you keep it in.

I have been asked multiple times in Germany and once in Norway to keep it in by police officers.
Could be a arsey copper but is it worth arguing

[Grahoyer]

Nowhere does it say you must leave in or take out... Company I'm with preference is, leave in, last Company I was with, take out. Makes no odds as time that cards removed has to be, by law brought in year before last, covered by manual entry anyway...

[Davalla]

Hire you told him to fuck right off... mine stays in from the min I leave the yard to when I get back to the yard however long that is

[Balloner]

I had one instructor who got very angry when he said the motorway speed limit was 56mph and I proved him wrong by saying it is 60mph.

[SHAUCHES]

Asked dvsa about it once and he told me there's no set rule so do as you like.

[barryex]

Personal preference I pull mine when I park up, do end location and put it back in my wallet. Next morning slot it back in rest until now? ok, start location uk? Ok crack on. Takes 2 seconds and reduces the chance of fucking up and leaving it on other duties or poa all night.

[davissMMoree]

Common sense tells me leave it in, show rest time, only take it out when taking a 24/45 end and start country then when putting it back in, never any problems

[ClearBoot]

Eject mine every night & have done since tacho cards came out , nobody's ever said anything at any of the firms I've been at in that time , or vosa, dvsa , plod or santa.

[Goslince]

I was tramping for years-the tacho records were kept by an outside firm, I never had a problem leaving the card in all the time. I was told some weeks that I had maxed my hours so was put on a week of London just to bring my hours down a bit.

[plumpque]

No requirement either way. Leave it in for me. It’s easier.

[jamexxli]

Was the training provided by your employer?
It could just be company policy

[DealMakee]

I done a cause yesterday. Wasn't tachos but had loads of people in saying daft stuff. I found the mute function very handy sitting in the garden counting the hours

[lucDigy]

I just eat my taco
Problem solved

[alabase97]

He is in the wrong

[samgy1610]

Regardless of what you do and what he says. Stop arguing with the instructor so everybody else can hurry up and f**k off home.

[Nevio-Matt]

Regardless of what you do and what he says. Stop arguing with the instructor so everybody else can hurry up and f**k off home.

[peazen26]

I only take mine out when truck goes in for service.

[laven2927]

Leave mine in all week

[wilGGerso]

I leave mine in then manual entry end country and begin country in the mornings, never had any issues with DVSA or our transport manager.

[AnthoHi]

Always one in every corse.

[Nigeloomi]

Always one in every corse.

The one that questions what they know to be incorrect information, yes that will always be me

[Jiggy]

Always one in every corse.

The one that questions what they know to be incorrect information, yes that will always be me

or me

[boaUp]

Leave it in. Tacho will provide evidence.

[IanRees]

I take mine out after every duty. It's not exactly a hard manual entry to do in the morning, just keep pressing ok until it says ready to drive.

[haydente58]

When I was tramping I left it in all week

[blance_hull]

I used to leave mine in all week, and only took it out if i got back to yard during the week. Saved doing manual entries.

[garryett]

I don’t recall ever reading anywhere that you should or shouldn’t remove your card if your tramping all week, as long as you do the relevant entries, and also when ether removing your card or putting your card back in, I don’t think it really makes any difference

[Nigeloomi]

I don’t recall ever reading anywhere that you should or shouldn’t remove your card if your tramping all week, as long as you do the relevant entries, and also when ether removing your card or putting your card back in, I don’t think it really makes any difference

That’s my point, it doesn’t make a difference but the instructor was saying you MUST take it out

[GreenLITE]

I used to leave it in then got a new truck... defaulted to other work every time I turned on ignition!. Fired up just before sleep to top battery backup woke in morning insufficient rest!.
Taken it out ever since!

[andyki]

I'll stir the pot I leave mine in ALL the time even on rest days as I'm not there and truck doesn't move and all good

[dandwin11]

I'll stir the pot I leave mine in ALL the time even on rest days as I'm not there and truck doesn't move and all good

until Fishlake strike

[andyki]

I'll stir the pot I leave mine in ALL the time even on rest days as I'm not there and truck doesn't move and all good

until Fishlake strike

we don't seem to go there anymore!!!

[dandwin11]

I'll stir the pot I leave mine in ALL the time even on rest days as I'm not there and truck doesn't move and all good

until Fishlake strike

we don't seem to go there anymore!!!

ooooo

[andyki]

until Fishlake strike

we don't seem to go there anymore!!!

ooooo

they'd rather send us to Stockton and waste time there when not booked in

[dandwin11]

we don't seem to go there anymore!!!

ooooo

they'd rather send us to Stockton and waste time there when not booked in

well that’s not a bad shift then haha

[neil.22]

Supposed to leave it in to show all your time, enter country when it is removed on a Friday, or the end of your working week

[owensign]

Ask for the information in writing from the trainer to back up what he his telling you.

[Newtonix53]

I stick mine on break then it says end work for day yes then when turn ignition on in morning says start work lol