Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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DavidGett
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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bradJean wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:45 pm
CatterBe wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:45 pm Maybe different curtains. Our company changed all our fleets curtains when the law changed a couple of years ago. There will be something on the curtains saying they are load barring or not. Some loads may still be safer to strap.
nothing to do with the curtains being load bearing. The whole trailer has to be designed and built following EN12642.
and the load has to be a positive fit
NickChee
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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If your straps are long enough, throw them over the roof but obviously keep the hook end in you hand, then take the hook over to the other side where you've just thrown the strap. Hook them all in place, as the forkie loads the stillages it will bring the strap down off the roof and into position. Hope that makes sense.
Only really works if loading from one side though.
mageeUpfor
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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NickChee wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm If your straps are long enough, throw them over the roof but obviously keep the hook end in you hand, then take the hook over to the other side where you've just thrown the strap. Hook them all in place, as the forkie loads the stillages it will bring the strap down off the roof and into position. Hope that makes sense.
Only really works if loading from one side though.
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NickChee
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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mageeUpfor wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm
NickChee wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm If your straps are long enough, throw them over the roof but obviously keep the hook end in you hand, then take the hook over to the other side where you've just thrown the strap. Hook them all in place, as the forkie loads the stillages it will bring the strap down off the roof and into position. Hope that makes sense.
Only really works if loading from one side though.
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thats the one 👌
LeeNumero
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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mageeUpfor wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm
NickChee wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm If your straps are long enough, throw them over the roof but obviously keep the hook end in you hand, then take the hook over to the other side where you've just thrown the strap. Hook them all in place, as the forkie loads the stillages it will bring the strap down off the roof and into position. Hope that makes sense.
Only really works if loading from one side though.
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used to do similar when loading packs of wood from egger
craInformer
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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NickChee wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm If your straps are long enough, throw them over the roof but obviously keep the hook end in you hand, then take the hook over to the other side where you've just thrown the strap. Hook them all in place, as the forkie loads the stillages it will bring the strap down off the roof and into position. Hope that makes sense.
Only really works if loading from one side though.
great idea
AberLabor
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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mageeUpfor wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm
NickChee wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm If your straps are long enough, throw them over the roof but obviously keep the hook end in you hand, then take the hook over to the other side where you've just thrown the strap. Hook them all in place, as the forkie loads the stillages it will bring the strap down off the roof and into position. Hope that makes sense.
Only really works if loading from one side though.
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genius idea! Would work but not at this place, loading both sides
mageeUpfor
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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AberLabor wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:49 pm
mageeUpfor wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm
NickChee wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm If your straps are long enough, throw them over the roof but obviously keep the hook end in you hand, then take the hook over to the other side where you've just thrown the strap. Hook them all in place, as the forkie loads the stillages it will bring the strap down off the roof and into position. Hope that makes sense.
Only really works if loading from one side though.
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genius idea! Would work but not at this place, loading both sides
Use this method regularly for baled recycling mainly 👌
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mageeUpfor wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:50 pm
AberLabor wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:49 pm
mageeUpfor wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm

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genius idea! Would work but not at this place, loading both sides
Use this method regularly for baled recycling mainly 👌
Widely used in Europe for timber loads, but here, because "health and safety"🤣🤣🤣, forklift drivers are instructed to load by "both sides"!!!
dayecon11
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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A hour to strap ? 15-20minutes you’d easy smash that
SteveMans
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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If you get in your cab to drive off and have any doubt it’s not secured properly then it’s not! A secure load is one you don’t worry about
haySleek
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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We carry these stillages and can be a pain to get the straps over somedays can throw them first time but usually when someone is watching takes a few attempts,have seen a system where you can clip the strap into the roof before loading and then just pull it down over.
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haySleek wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:55 pm We carry these stillages and can be a pain to get the straps over somedays can throw them first time but usually when someone is watching takes a few attempts,have seen a system where you can clip the strap into the roof before loading and then just pull it down over.
I work at a site which also does alcohol trunking. Their trailers are set up so they have a web of 5t straps with tails for ratchets at the bottom
AlexCalyx
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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I know a company who can have 5 ton straps made internally on rails. No strap throwers or time spent me messing around.
Send me a pm and I'll give you his details.
grangShun
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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Two straps on every full IBC
IanGlimmer
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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Basically everything over 500kgs needs to be strapped, even IBC’s, they have to be double strapped, rule was bought out on the 1st of May. Internals and curtains are not classed as part of a securing your load. The only time you can get away with strapping is on the top deck of a double decker, not only because you physically can’t reach but also because everything up there is below 500kgs.
Vosa will have a field day if pulled over, how do I know this I past my test about 4/5 months ago and it was drummed into me, not only by my firm that I work for but also going through the exams, it was one of the questions and driver training.
Driver is always responsible for the load he/she carries and don’t forget it is your license.
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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IanGlimmer wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:59 pm Basically everything over 500kgs needs to be strapped, even IBC’s, they have to be double strapped, rule was bought out on the 1st of May. Internals and curtains are not classed as part of a securing your load. The only time you can get away with strapping is on the top deck of a double decker, not only because you physically can’t reach but also because everything up there is below 500kgs.
Vosa will have a field day if pulled over, how do I know this I past my test about 4/5 months ago and it was drummed into me, not only by my firm that I work for but also going through the exams, it was one of the questions and driver training.
Driver is always responsible for the load he/she carries and don’t forget it is your license.
400kg not 500
IanGlimmer
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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FuncNate wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:59 pm
IanGlimmer wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:59 pm Basically everything over 500kgs needs to be strapped, even IBC’s, they have to be double strapped, rule was bought out on the 1st of May. Internals and curtains are not classed as part of a securing your load. The only time you can get away with strapping is on the top deck of a double decker, not only because you physically can’t reach but also because everything up there is below 500kgs.
Vosa will have a field day if pulled over, how do I know this I past my test about 4/5 months ago and it was drummed into me, not only by my firm that I work for but also going through the exams, it was one of the questions and driver training.
Driver is always responsible for the load he/she carries and don’t forget it is your license.
400kg not 500
Got that wrong then 😂😂😂
GrahabMy
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The days running around with just a strap on front and back carrying 520 pallets on a flat have gone then 👀🙈
shaneCist
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If the company was so health & safety savvy them should have a safety platform for drivers to use allowing the driver to feed straps across the top of cargo.
LeeBrainy
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Re: Anybody run with these regularly, one of our drivers got pulled with just internals on "apparently" and was told

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Even with a trailer built to EN12642 standards, anything over 400KGpp has to be strapped with ratchets unfortunately.
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Internals have a 400kg rating. Anything over 400kg needs a ratchet. It’s not hard
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