Evening, DVSA pulled the driver said need a Tacho but doesn’t need a O licence thoughts please. Vehicle ie Ranger

[cinethous]

Evening, Vehicle ie Ranger pulling trailer train weight over 3.5 tonnes delivering cars no hire and reward. DVSA pulled the driver said need a Tacho but doesn’t need a O licence thoughts please.

[LucyDas]

Tacho because it’s over 3.5t
No O License maybe because it’s a double cab pick up and it’s a dual purpose vehicle?

[1613-heny]

Tacho because it’s over 3.5t
No O License maybe because it’s a double cab pick up and it’s a dual purpose vehicle?

yep. Careful on the definition of dual purpose vehicles, some don’t qualify due to unladen weight restrictions

[LucyDas]

Tacho because it’s over 3.5t
No O License maybe because it’s a double cab pick up and it’s a dual purpose vehicle?

yep. Careful on the definition of dual purpose vehicles, some don’t qualify due to unladen weight restrictions

I still believe because of your mention, it’s all a bit of a grey area.

[1613-heny]

Tacho because it’s over 3.5t
No O License maybe because it’s a double cab pick up and it’s a dual purpose vehicle?

yep. Careful on the definition of dual purpose vehicles, some don’t qualify due to unladen weight restrictions

I still believe because of your mention, it’s all a bit of a grey area.

no. It’s crystal clear on .gov website

[alundp]

How is delivering cars not hire or reward ??

[mcIdol]

How is delivering cars not hire or reward ??

A car hire company delivering vehicles that they own out to customers would not be hire & reward, neither would a dealer moving vehicles that they own between their various sites.

[alundp]

How is delivering cars not hire or reward ??

A car hire company delivering vehicles that they own out to customers would not be hire & reward, neither would a dealer moving vehicles that they own between their various sites.

true

[putnamal]

If the gross weight of the vehicle is less than 3500kg then no o,license is required. Total train weight can be 7,000kg. Tacho required.

[mcIdol]

If the gross weight of the vehicle is less than 3500kg then no o,license is required. Total train weight can be 7,000kg. Tacho required.

Incorrect. If train weight is over 3500kg and vehicle does not qualify for an exemption then O licence required,

[Kevinque]

Tacho and GB OL rules are two separate things.....being exempt one does not mean your exempt the other and Vicky Versaille.....
I don't think you could use any of the exemptions to negate having to use a tacho as the driver will be operating under EC561/2006 rules unless you want to attempt the carriage of tools and materials in which driving etc but I don't hold out much hope.
The only other one available is non commercial carriage of goods for vehicle whose GVW does not exceed 7500kg but that's intended for people who hire trucks to move house etc or horsey types.....

[pligwort]

Tacho and GB OL rules are two separate things.....being exempt one does not mean your exempt the other and Vicky Versaille.....
I don't think you could use any of the exemptions to negate having to use a tacho as the driver will be operating under EC561/2006 rules unless you want to attempt the carriage of tools and materials in which driving etc but I don't hold out much hope.
The only other one available is non commercial carriage of goods for vehicle whose GVW does not exceed 7500kg but that's intended for people who hire trucks to move house etc or horsey types.....

What is Miss Versailles to do with this?

[Marking.Mark]

I've got 40 x 4x4s with trailers (of all brands) delivering cars, not a single one of our Rangers falls below the dual purpose exemption weight of 2040kg. Only a few models do, some Navaras, the DMAX and L200s squeeze in. DVSA are pulling these setups daily, the amount operating illegally is rife.

[mountainNate]

Delivering cars for F all then

[mountainNate]

You done well thenen.. Made redundant 2 years now got 40 4x4+ trailors?

[mountainNate]

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[martinmed]

The combination would be exempt from O licence if the Trailer unladen weight is less than 1020kg undertaking own account work.

[Grahible]

On a side note the amount of companies operating Mercedes or Ford transit type car transporters which are converted 3500kg GW vehicles. With the alterations and the vehicles carried they’re all over weight and should have operators licence etc and don't.

[hopper]

It would probably need a restricted O licence, if they are there own cars, but non if it's not at all business related.

[dale.Slash]

All the people saying how would you deliver for free. Could be a car sales with free delivery upon purchase. People jump to conclusions so quickly.
Would need a tacho but no o'licence due to weight it would need but the vehicle is multi purpose so no ol is required.

[paunium]

All the people saying how would you deliver for free. Could be a car sales with free delivery upon purchase. People jump to conclusions so quickly.
Would need a tacho but no o'licence due to weight it would need but the vehicle is multi purpose so no ol is required.

you can deliver the “car” for free BUT you are still OPERATING the vehicle for hire and reward - as in a business.

[CopFamous]

All the people saying how would you deliver for free. Could be a car sales with free delivery upon purchase. People jump to conclusions so quickly.
Would need a tacho but no o'licence due to weight it would need but the vehicle is multi purpose so no ol is required.

and there is a prime example of people not understanding the - in connection with a business statement

[cinethous]

All the people saying how would you deliver for free. Could be a car sales with free delivery upon purchase. People jump to conclusions so quickly.
Would need a tacho but no o'licence due to weight it would need but the vehicle is multi purpose so no ol is required.

and there is a prime example of people not understanding the - in connection with a business statement

the DVSA officer who stopped him said it doesn’t need O licence but needed Tacho? Which seems strange

[CopFamous]

All the people saying how would you deliver for free. Could be a car sales with free delivery upon purchase. People jump to conclusions so quickly.
Would need a tacho but no o'licence due to weight it would need but the vehicle is multi purpose so no ol is required.

and there is a prime example of people not understanding the - in connection with a business statement

the DVSA officer who stopped him said it doesn’t need O licence but needed Tacho? Which seems strange

why? If the towing vehicle meets the requirements set out as a dual purpose vehicle then tacho would be needed but not O Licence.

[CopFamous]

Define 'no hire and reward' and clarify journey not in connection with ANY business

[cinethous]

It’s movement to journalists etc so they can review the car then collected back of them. The cars get a write up or review in various media outlets.

[JiggyCute]

It’s movement to journalists etc so they can review the car then collected back of them. The cars get a write up or review in various media outlets.

who owns the cars you will be delivering?

[cinethous]

It’s movement to journalists etc so they can review the car then collected back of them. The cars get a write up or review in various media outlets.

who owns the cars you will be delivering?

they do

[JiggyCute]

It’s movement to journalists etc so they can review the car then collected back of them. The cars get a write up or review in various media outlets.

who owns the cars you will be delivering?

they do

then you are delivering goods on behalf of a third party and will require a standard O Licence unless any of the exemptions that has previously mentioned apply.

[WillCert]

4x4 is also exempt from o licence under “vehicle designed for carrying passengers and effects”
I’ve not heard of any double cab pickups being done for no o licence - plenty been done for no Tachograph

[mcIdol]

4x4 is also exempt from o licence under “vehicle designed for carrying passengers and effects”
I’ve not heard of any double cab pickups being done for no o licence - plenty been done for no Tachograph

4x4s are only exempt from O licence if they falls into the dual purpose category ie unladen weight not exceeding 2040kg. Most modern 4x4s are above this weight. I know someone who was prosecuted for running a Range Rover and trailer with no O licence.