Question about mixed EU & domestic rule. If I drive both van and truck on same day, what's my max daily duty limit?

[Loftye]

Question about mixed EU & domestic rule. If I drive both van and truck on same day, what's my max daily duty limit? 11 hour domestic rule limit or 13/15 hour EU rule limit?
Quote from GV262 "GB domestic limit (no more than 11 hours on duty in a 24-hour period) must always be obeyed. But when any EU/ AETR driving is carried out, the limit of 13 or 15 hours maximum of duty (determined by the amount of EU/ AETR daily rest needed) must always be obeyed. EU/ AETR breaks must be taken within these duty periods."

[lyonsix]

15hrs single crewed. Driving the van should be recorded as other work and doesn't count towards EU driving totals. In scope driving does count towards Domestic totals.

[Loftye]

15hrs single crewed. Driving the van should be recorded as other work and doesn't count towards EU driving totals. In scope driving does count towards Domestic totals.

so, I can drive/work on van for 10 hours, then jump on a 44T truck to drive for another 5hr (assume all breaks are taken accordingly)? But my fellow van drivers must go home and sleep

[Loftye]

15hrs single crewed. Driving the van should be recorded as other work and doesn't count towards EU driving totals. In scope driving does count towards Domestic totals.

in scope driving/working counts towards domestic rule, which are 10/11hr limit... EU rule has 10hr driving limit, but shift can be 15hr long

[rimmut]

13 hours unless extended to 25. Like Les says it counts as other work.

[Jayonic]

An important thing to note here is the definition of "duty time"
Under Domestic rules, "duty time" is the time spent actually working, not "at work"
As far as EC 561/2006 goes, there is no mention of duty time, but shift length (often referred to colloquially as duty time) is automatically defined by the daily rest requirements.

[Loftye]

An important thing to note here is the definition of "duty time"
Under Domestic rules, "duty time" is the time spent actually working, not "at work"
As far as EC 561/2006 goes, there is no mention of duty time, but shift length (often referred to colloquially as duty time) is automatically defined by the daily rest requirements.

I thought in domestic rule, driving time is at work time, plus breaks become duty time. 10hr work + 1hr break = 11hr duty

[Jayonic]

An important thing to note here is the definition of "duty time"
Under Domestic rules, "duty time" is the time spent actually working, not "at work"
As far as EC 561/2006 goes, there is no mention of duty time, but shift length (often referred to colloquially as duty time) is automatically defined by the daily rest requirements.

I thought in domestic rule, driving time is at work time, plus breaks become duty time. 10hr work + 1hr break = 11hr duty

it's definitely only work that makes up duty time under Domestic Rules.

[Loftye]

An important thing to note here is the definition of "duty time"
Under Domestic rules, "duty time" is the time spent actually working, not "at work"
As far as EC 561/2006 goes, there is no mention of duty time, but shift length (often referred to colloquially as duty time) is automatically defined by the daily rest requirements.

I thought in domestic rule, driving time is at work time, plus breaks become duty time. 10hr work + 1hr break = 11hr duty

it's definitely only work that makes up duty time under Domestic Rules.

so it is I reread the rule, so he can do an hour warehouse then 10 hour deal with the van.

[Jayonic]

I thought in domestic rule, driving time is at work time, plus breaks become duty time. 10hr work + 1hr break = 11hr duty

it's definitely only work that makes up duty time under Domestic Rules.

so it is I reread the rule, so he can do an hour warehouse then 10 hour deal with the van.

as long as he doesn't do anything else, yes.

[danpin]

Default to Eu Rules

[Loftye]

"driving or other duty under EU/ AETR rules count towards the driving and duty limits under GB domestic rules" and domestic rules state 10hr driving & 11hr working...
Driving limit is shared, so I can't jump onto a truck after 10hr van driving. Nor jump into a van after 10hr truck driving. Although EU rule states as van driving is other work, but domestic rules states u have already max your driving hour.
For 15hr shift on EU rule - at least an hour break, still 13-14hr working time. It is well over 11hr duty limit on domestic rules. So I can't jump into a van after 11hr working in a truck, as I have no duty time left under domestic rules.
So how EU rules take precedence over the GB domestic rules, while you still need to obey lower limit domestic rules. That's why I'm confused.

[Loftye]

Answer seems to be 11 hour working time if driving both van and truck, as both rules must be obeyed. But I have asked DVSA for definite answer.
Is it really because tacho records as other work and not really need to put in log book, so technically no one need to know what have you done in the van, then we assume just to stick to 15hr shift time?

[Nolanno]

If using both rules in the same day, use EU rules as it should always default to that

[Loftye]

If using both rules in the same day, use EU rules as it should always default to that

how about domestic rules of max 11 hr working time? 15hr EU shift time - breaks still way more than 11hr working time

[Nolanno]

If using both rules in the same day, use EU rules as it should always default to that

how about domestic rules of max 11 hr working time? 15hr EU shift time - breaks still way more than 11hr working time

eu supersedes domestic so if using both, stick with eu

[passkey]

No such thing as default to EU or anything similar. You must obey all rules as they fall.
If you do more than 4 hours of driving under domestic rules, then it is a max of 11 hours duty time (work hours).
If you do less than 4 hours domestic driving then a max 15 hour shift, as per EU rules. Remember though that when mixed work is being done, any driving under EU also counts as driving under domestic, but not the other way around.