Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are they Thanks
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Yes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... other-work
Along with other parts of the regulations in place before August 2020, the changes mean that all drivers (including occasional drivers) must keep a full set of records of their activities for the current day and the previous 28 days. The records must cover their:
driving
other work
periods of availability
breaks
rest
annual leave and sick leave
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... other-work
Along with other parts of the regulations in place before August 2020, the changes mean that all drivers (including occasional drivers) must keep a full set of records of their activities for the current day and the previous 28 days. The records must cover their:
driving
other work
periods of availability
breaks
rest
annual leave and sick leave
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
Thank you there's a lot of drivers out there that keeps telling me it's not so I'm just questioning itChrLogic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:24 pm Yes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... other-work
Along with other parts of the regulations in place before August 2020, the changes mean that all drivers (including occasional drivers) must keep a full set of records of their activities for the current day and the previous 28 days. The records must cover their:
driving
other work
periods of availability
breaks
rest
annual leave and sick leave
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
thats why i linked the Gov site.CoxxBlaze wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:25 pmThank you there's a lot of drivers out there that keeps telling me it's not so I'm just questioning itChrLogic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:24 pm Yes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... other-work
Along with other parts of the regulations in place before August 2020, the changes mean that all drivers (including occasional drivers) must keep a full set of records of their activities for the current day and the previous 28 days. The records must cover their:
driving
other work
periods of availability
breaks
rest
annual leave and sick leave
Its the same with WTD, luckily it doesn't effect the way i work, but there are that many conflicting opinions, even I'm confused
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
I honestly think the rules are designed to confuse people so they make mistakes and end up getting finedChrLogic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:26 pmthats why i linked the Gov site.CoxxBlaze wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:25 pmThank you there's a lot of drivers out there that keeps telling me it's not so I'm just questioning itChrLogic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:24 pm Yes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... other-work
Along with other parts of the regulations in place before August 2020, the changes mean that all drivers (including occasional drivers) must keep a full set of records of their activities for the current day and the previous 28 days. The records must cover their:
driving
other work
periods of availability
breaks
rest
annual leave and sick leave
Its the same with WTD, luckily it doesn't effect the way i work, but there are that many conflicting opinions, even I'm confused
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
definitely, you're interpretation might be different to mine etc, etc.stoMedium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:26 pmI honestly think the rules are designed to confuse people so they make mistakes and end up getting fined
The whole rules need simplified so that everyone understands them the same. But apparently this rule was brought in without alot of the driving bodies knowing about it (if you look at some of the sites discussing it) so you can understand why people are understandably confused.
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
%ChrLogic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:27 pmdefinitely, you're interpretation might be different to mine etc, etc.
The whole rules need simplified so that everyone understands them the same. But apparently this rule was brought in without alot of the driving bodies knowing about it (if you look at some of the sites discussing it) so you can understand why people are understandably confused.
I knew about it when it was brought in as the company I worked for at the time was shit hot on the rules, however I know only in the last 12 months companies are still just catching up and instructing their drivers.
Interpretation is definitely one of the biggest factors of confusion though. Your spot on, they all need to be simplified.
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
Keeping records is a legal requirement. Doing it via tacho is not.
I do 40 odd hours as a WFH programmer. My clocking system logs my hours and breaks. I have access to those logs on my mobile and can thus show any Vosa agent my records if required.
I do 40 odd hours as a WFH programmer. My clocking system logs my hours and breaks. I have access to those logs on my mobile and can thus show any Vosa agent my records if required.
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
I'm not sure how you stand with what you're doing (just helping, not criticizing) but this is off the Gov site
When a tachograph is not available to record data in real time, the only permitted methods for drivers to make a manual entry are to:
make a manual entry on an analogue tachograph record sheet
make a manual entry on digital printout paper
retrospectively use the manual input facility on a digital tachograph when the card is next inserted
When a tachograph is not available to record data in real time, the only permitted methods for drivers to make a manual entry are to:
make a manual entry on an analogue tachograph record sheet
make a manual entry on digital printout paper
retrospectively use the manual input facility on a digital tachograph when the card is next inserted
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
I’ve never done one in 5 years in my job
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
At Stobart we are told to do manual entries To account for the time of driving into the yard, picking up your keys and paperwork and at the end of the end of the day the time it takes a hand in paperwork, keys and leave the yard
What I do is I start at 7 AM so I put my card in darling at 7.05 usually so I do a manual entry for other work between 7 and 705 then at the end of the day i take my card out then I just manual entry other work Until the time I clock out in the office that's the right way to do it match The Times up with the office
What I do is I start at 7 AM so I put my card in darling at 7.05 usually so I do a manual entry for other work between 7 and 705 then at the end of the day i take my card out then I just manual entry other work Until the time I clock out in the office that's the right way to do it match The Times up with the office
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I was on for Pirelli and whilst at an event your card was out, but when you put it back in we had to account for everything we had done since the card was removed, it's the law now since last year.morrapp10 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:32 pm At Stobart we are told to do manual entries To account for the time of driving into the yard, picking up your keys and paperwork and at the end of the end of the day the time it takes a hand in paperwork, keys and leave the yard
What I do is I start at 7 AM so I put my card in darling at 7.05 usually so I do a manual entry for other work between 7 and 705 then at the end of the day i take my card out then I just manual entry other work Until the time I clock out in the office that's the right way to do it match The Times up with the office
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yea that what we do in depotChrLogic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:32 pmI was on for Pirelli and whilst at an event your card was out, but when you put it back in we had to account for everything we had done since the card was removed, it's the law now since last year.morrapp10 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:32 pm At Stobart we are told to do manual entries To account for the time of driving into the yard, picking up your keys and paperwork and at the end of the end of the day the time it takes a hand in paperwork, keys and leave the yard
What I do is I start at 7 AM so I put my card in darling at 7.05 usually so I do a manual entry for other work between 7 and 705 then at the end of the day i take my card out then I just manual entry other work Until the time I clock out in the office that's the right way to do it match The Times up with the office
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
Yup, manual entries are a requirement.
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
If you're literally spitting your card out at end of shift and not needing to hand paperwork in and like wise putting your card in the second you start your shift then there will be nothing to enter, but if you have admin time such as collecting your keys and paperwork in the morning and your not getting to your truck for say 10 mins after your shift starts then you should be manual entering those 10 mins as other work and likewise if you have similar at the end of your shift. All the DVSA want is an accurate record of when you start and when you finish along with type of work done. They're not difficult to do.
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not quite correct. There now needs to be a specific entry accounting for rest periods, holiday and sickness etcGeeShun wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:34 pm If you're literally spitting your card out at end of shift and not needing to hand paperwork in and like wise putting your card in the second you start your shift then there will be nothing to enter, but if you have admin time such as collecting your keys and paperwork in the morning and your not getting to your truck for say 10 mins after your shift starts then you should be manual entering those 10 mins as other work and likewise if you have similar at the end of your shift. All the DVSA want is an accurate record of when you start and when you finish along with type of work done. They're not difficult to do.
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Yep. Generally little bit of other work, big rest, little bit of other work
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Only time I have ever done one is when I forgot to put card in so put a Manual entry to put taco back to my start time. Would say only required if u fucked up somewhere but I could be wrong although I never use manual entry's.
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
you are indeed, wrong. Manual entry has been a legal requirement for a while now
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From what I've heard it wasn't until a couple of years ago
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If you're staying out overnight, you shouldn't need to, but as has been said, if you pick up your keys and walk to your truck, that's other work
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As far as what I’ve been told in the past is you do need to do a manual entry because you you need to account for anything that happens outside the truck when your card is out, such as you hand in your paperwork after you’ve taken your card out and it’s taken you 5mins to do that need to put that down, taken you 15mins in morning to get your paperwork/keys or whatever you are doing for 15mins before card goes in, needs to be a manual entry for basically anything you do when card is out. Unless your tramping then you can just leave your card in on break when on daily rest in which case manual entry not required
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if you leave the card in overnight you MUST still enter start and end country even if all the work is done in the UKKarAware wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:38 pm As far as what I’ve been told in the past is you do need to do a manual entry because you you need to account for anything that happens outside the truck when your card is out, such as you hand in your paperwork after you’ve taken your card out and it’s taken you 5mins to do that need to put that down, taken you 15mins in morning to get your paperwork/keys or whatever you are doing for 15mins before card goes in, needs to be a manual entry for basically anything you do when card is out. Unless your tramping then you can just leave your card in on break when on daily rest in which case manual entry not required
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I put a manual entry in for 10 mins for previous work and it messed up. No one else at work knew how to rectify it, and as soon as I started driving, it started coming up with infringement's right left and centre. Why is there's no back button / cancel settings to press if you know there has been an error before driving off?..I spent at least half an hour trying to rectify it before I gave up! (apparently I wasn't the only one to do this!) The systems silly and creates a lot of excess paperwork!.
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I’ve done this many times, do a printout write your mistake on the back and keep that with you for 28 days and carry on with your day.johnoll33 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:39 pm I put a manual entry in for 10 mins for previous work and it messed up. No one else at work knew how to rectify it, and as soon as I started driving, it started coming up with infringement's right left and centre. Why is there's no back button / cancel settings to press if you know there has been an error before driving off?..I spent at least half an hour trying to rectify it before I gave up! (apparently I wasn't the only one to do this!) The systems silly and creates a lot of excess paperwork!.
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once you have done the manual entry it cannot be changed unfortunately.johnoll33 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:39 pm I put a manual entry in for 10 mins for previous work and it messed up. No one else at work knew how to rectify it, and as soon as I started driving, it started coming up with infringement's right left and centre. Why is there's no back button / cancel settings to press if you know there has been an error before driving off?..I spent at least half an hour trying to rectify it before I gave up! (apparently I wasn't the only one to do this!) The systems silly and creates a lot of excess paperwork!.
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it's bonkers!BevViking wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:41 pmonce you have done the manual entry it cannot be changed unfortunately.johnoll33 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:39 pm I put a manual entry in for 10 mins for previous work and it messed up. No one else at work knew how to rectify it, and as soon as I started driving, it started coming up with infringement's right left and centre. Why is there's no back button / cancel settings to press if you know there has been an error before driving off?..I spent at least half an hour trying to rectify it before I gave up! (apparently I wasn't the only one to do this!) The systems silly and creates a lot of excess paperwork!.
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I've been taught to input manual entry and then the final screen says "confirm manual entry?" - if you then press arrow down to "no", it will let you run through what you've entered to ensure it is correct before confirming it. That's the last opportunity to change anything.BevViking wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:41 pmonce you have done the manual entry it cannot be changed unfortunately.johnoll33 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:39 pm I put a manual entry in for 10 mins for previous work and it messed up. No one else at work knew how to rectify it, and as soon as I started driving, it started coming up with infringement's right left and centre. Why is there's no back button / cancel settings to press if you know there has been an error before driving off?..I spent at least half an hour trying to rectify it before I gave up! (apparently I wasn't the only one to do this!) The systems silly and creates a lot of excess paperwork!.
Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
You are legally required to do this. On the other hand depends how picky your company is.... Lol
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There is no picky about it. Do manual entries or the next time DVSA are involved you will be in front of the TC.
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never done a manual entry yet in about 6 years, wouldn't know where to start
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we know where to start!
It’s on our Drivers Hours and Tachograph CPC course, we have videos and simulators so you can practice yourself.
https://www.nationalcpc.co.uk/nationalc ... pc-courses
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Re: Just a quick question, I've been doing Manual entries for years and was told there was a legal requirement. But are
Was told in our cpc they are,a legal requirement doesn't hurt to do them
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100 pound fine I've been told by police if dvsa catch ya not doing it xx
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As per the Enforcement Sanctions Policy (what the DVSA use to determine the fines) you may be fined up to £200 for failing to record ‘periods of time’ using the manual entry facility.
If you would like to check it for yourself then look on page 150 of the enforcement sanctions policy (type in on google) the admin won’t approve the link I’ve tried sending.
If you would like to check it for yourself then look on page 150 of the enforcement sanctions policy (type in on google) the admin won’t approve the link I’ve tried sending.
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