What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload)
I’m currently running some Euro 6 Daf XF 460’s (Super Space 13ft 5in)
They are on regional day work out of Yorkshire, combined urban and motorway MPG is coming in at around 8.1 mpg, measured over a long period of time (12 months plus) so it’s a good indicative reading for the trucks and their type of work.
I’m convinced that we could be getting better fuel economy with a different tractor unit. Obviously if you’re trunking up and down motorways then your mpg will naturally be higher, I’m looking for a similar(ish) situation comparison here.
I’ve had recommended to me Daf CF 510/530 day/space cabs as being more suited to pulling up and down the box and for a better running resistance in terms of air resistance.
All the usual Daf jokes aside ... Any helpful thoughts/input welcome guys.
Thanks in advance.
I’m currently running some Euro 6 Daf XF 460’s (Super Space 13ft 5in)
They are on regional day work out of Yorkshire, combined urban and motorway MPG is coming in at around 8.1 mpg, measured over a long period of time (12 months plus) so it’s a good indicative reading for the trucks and their type of work.
I’m convinced that we could be getting better fuel economy with a different tractor unit. Obviously if you’re trunking up and down motorways then your mpg will naturally be higher, I’m looking for a similar(ish) situation comparison here.
I’ve had recommended to me Daf CF 510/530 day/space cabs as being more suited to pulling up and down the box and for a better running resistance in terms of air resistance.
All the usual Daf jokes aside ... Any helpful thoughts/input welcome guys.
Thanks in advance.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Drivers are your biggest variable.. but mercs and new Gen will be the best to go for..
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Also, if you’re at 44t all the time a 460 isn’t the best option. Especially if it’s not just motorway mileage.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
our 460’s do bog down pulling up windy hill on the 62. Fully freighted you’ll be down to 10th gear and slogging up at 37 mph.
Often wondered if being able to run up it harder and faster would actually expend less fuel.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
when I went from a 460 to a 500 it’s gained about 0.8 MPG on the same work... but Adblue use essentially doubled.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Actros is very good on fuel but piece of shite otherwise (only buy if you do not drive)
Same with power like your Daf, feels gutless...
Scania with bigger engine for me...if i have to pull 44tones all day
Same with power like your Daf, feels gutless...
Scania with bigger engine for me...if i have to pull 44tones all day
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Give me a shout if needs be I’ll get some dealer specs of what they advise achievable JSB Automotive Ltd.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Look at what the royal mail run, and buy the same, 12bhp per ton
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
19 plate Actros 510 euro 6 over 12 months 8.4
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
I was getting 1.6 mpl at that weight which was often, 1.8 mpl overall.
DAF 480, 4.5 m curtain trailer.
Own Volvo 500 now and runs about same but use a lot more ad/blue.
DAF 480, 4.5 m curtain trailer.
Own Volvo 500 now and runs about same but use a lot more ad/blue.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
I have an 07 plate man tga 440 and getting between 11-14 mpg depending on what work and area I go
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
My main reason for casting about for opinions like this is cause there’s a few Renault T series 460’s running on this same job and they are consistently achieving 9-9.5 mpg and I know for a fact they are running them balls out, no concerns about economical driving etc
Got me thinking I’ve got the wrong trucks for this particular job.
I’ve always had an inkling that 460 was under powered for the weight though...
Got me thinking I’ve got the wrong trucks for this particular job.
I’ve always had an inkling that 460 was under powered for the weight though...
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Renault get a better return on fuel from Volvo engine than Volvo do that's y alot of people are going for the t range at the moSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pm My main reason for casting about for opinions like this is cause there’s a few Renault T series 460’s running on this same job and they are consistently achieving 9-9.5 mpg and I know for a fact they are running them balls out, no concerns about economical driving etc
Got me thinking I’ve got the wrong trucks for this particular job.
I’ve always had an inkling that 460 was under powered for the weight though...
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Yeah basically a Volvo with shitter bits bolted on or so goes the saying...Mckayer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pmRenault get a better return on fuel from Volvo engine than Volvo do that's y alot of people are going for the t range at the moSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pm My main reason for casting about for opinions like this is cause there’s a few Renault T series 460’s running on this same job and they are consistently achieving 9-9.5 mpg and I know for a fact they are running them balls out, no concerns about economical driving etc
Got me thinking I’ve got the wrong trucks for this particular job.
I’ve always had an inkling that 460 was under powered for the weight though...
End of the day if it works for the job I couldn’t give a bakers toss what badge is on it
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
drivers seem to like them tooSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pmYeah basically a Volvo with shitter bits bolted on or so goes the saying...Mckayer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pmRenault get a better return on fuel from Volvo engine than Volvo do that's y alot of people are going for the t range at the moSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pm My main reason for casting about for opinions like this is cause there’s a few Renault T series 460’s running on this same job and they are consistently achieving 9-9.5 mpg and I know for a fact they are running them balls out, no concerns about economical driving etc
Got me thinking I’ve got the wrong trucks for this particular job.
I’ve always had an inkling that 460 was under powered for the weight though...
End of the day if it works for the job I couldn’t give a bakers toss what badge is on it
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
I run Volvo 500 FH4.. won’t be returning to them from next year. Adblue use is ridiculous.SteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pm My main reason for casting about for opinions like this is cause there’s a few Renault T series 460’s running on this same job and they are consistently achieving 9-9.5 mpg and I know for a fact they are running them balls out, no concerns about economical driving etc
Got me thinking I’ve got the wrong trucks for this particular job.
I’ve always had an inkling that 460 was under powered for the weight though...
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
How bad is it PaulMc? We are doing around 1100 miles a week and the Ad Blue use is approx 45 Litres a week with the Dafs.PaulMc wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:33 pmI run Volvo 500 FH4.. won’t be returning to them from next year. Adblue use is ridiculous.SteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pm My main reason for casting about for opinions like this is cause there’s a few Renault T series 460’s running on this same job and they are consistently achieving 9-9.5 mpg and I know for a fact they are running them balls out, no concerns about economical driving etc
Got me thinking I’ve got the wrong trucks for this particular job.
I’ve always had an inkling that 460 was under powered for the weight though...
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
mine does 600 miles roughly.. it will go through about 35 litres ish.. 44t 50% of the mileage ..the rest is empty running..SteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:34 pmHow bad is it PaulMc? We are doing around 1100 miles a week and the Ad Blue use is approx 45 Litres a week with the Dafs.PaulMc wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:33 pmI run Volvo 500 FH4.. won’t be returning to them from next year. Adblue use is ridiculous.SteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:32 pm My main reason for casting about for opinions like this is cause there’s a few Renault T series 460’s running on this same job and they are consistently achieving 9-9.5 mpg and I know for a fact they are running them balls out, no concerns about economical driving etc
Got me thinking I’ve got the wrong trucks for this particular job.
I’ve always had an inkling that 460 was under powered for the weight though...
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
yeah that is up on what I’d reasonably expect although of the 1100 miles we do I’d say we are freighted for a about 850 of those. So it’s not like ours are getting 45L for 1100 freighted miles.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
there is swings and roundabouts to all of it... I’d say a good driver is what you need.. decent tyres correctly inflated and correctly set wind deflectors... you get all those right it won’t matter what truck you have. Because they all have pros and cons.. and none of the big 5 have a clear advantage over the others.SteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:35 pmyeah that is up on what I’d reasonably expect although of the 1100 miles we do I’d say we are freighted for a about 850 of those. So it’s not like ours are getting 45L for 1100 freighted miles.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
12 plate Actros 1851 getting over 9.8 pulling 40t
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
My 2020 Actros 480hp is averaging 12.6mpg running at 30 tons average.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
V8 scania, cheaper in the long run
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
What are they like for maintenance Ross? I used to run with a fella based at Driffield who had a 13 plate V8 Scania 580. He seemed to treat it like “his baby” but he had a few issues (mainly electrical but some not) and he mentioned on more than one occasion that he found Scania lacking in their ability to identify and fix the faults as they arose.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
cant fault it as a product tbh, nothing else would stand up to my work for any length of time or do the job as well, and certainly not pull as well, I ran a 2m km 56plate 580 manual, and just replaced it with a 14 plate 620 manual, I'm not out there for fuel economy tho, I want the power and reliability, bulk scrap and aggregate. I'll never own anything other!SteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:38 pmWhat are they like for maintenance Ross? I used to run with a fella based at Driffield who had a 13 plate V8 Scania 580. He seemed to treat it like “his baby” but he had a few issues (mainly electrical but some not) and he mentioned on more than one occasion that he found Scania lacking in their ability to identify and fix the faults as they arose.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
maintenance wise I change the oil and filter every 25000kms, other then general wear and tear I have never had any issuesSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:38 pmWhat are they like for maintenance Ross? I used to run with a fella based at Driffield who had a 13 plate V8 Scania 580. He seemed to treat it like “his baby” but he had a few issues (mainly electrical but some not) and he mentioned on more than one occasion that he found Scania lacking in their ability to identify and fix the faults as they arose.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
you are using lot of oil man! Greenpeace will be after youRicharee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:39 pmmaintenance wise I change the oil and filter every 25000kms, other then general wear and tear I have never had any issuesSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:38 pmWhat are they like for maintenance Ross? I used to run with a fella based at Driffield who had a 13 plate V8 Scania 580. He seemed to treat it like “his baby” but he had a few issues (mainly electrical but some not) and he mentioned on more than one occasion that he found Scania lacking in their ability to identify and fix the faults as they arose.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
oils cheaper then metal!! Only Castrols finest !!LeeHope wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:39 pmyou are using lot of oil man! Greenpeace will be after youRicharee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:39 pmmaintenance wise I change the oil and filter every 25000kms, other then general wear and tear I have never had any issuesSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:38 pm
What are they like for maintenance Ross? I used to run with a fella based at Driffield who had a 13 plate V8 Scania 580. He seemed to treat it like “his baby” but he had a few issues (mainly electrical but some not) and he mentioned on more than one occasion that he found Scania lacking in their ability to identify and fix the faults as they arose.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
I change my oil every 30k also. I believe it helps in the longevity of the engine. I know a bulk operator who does the same and he never put a spanner on a 105 MX13 engine in 1m km. as said oil is cheaper than metal. It’s not the oil that fails, it’s the shit in it damaging the engine, hence regular changes, I never go by dealer recommendation of every 100,000!!
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
How many are you running? Might be worth investing in some economical driving training for the drivers. Maybe a fuel bonus off the back of it. Can gain 0.5-1mpg easy from better driver habits.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
currently running 4, looking at a 5th early into the new year (COVID dependant...)
Not a bad shout, totally agree about having quality drivers and kit. It just piqued my interest when I saw the figures the Renaults were getting on the same job knowing how they were being driven.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
i run an MAN 68 plate and a Merc MP5. The merc has great potential to be superb on fuel if driven VERY carefully, but we don't often have the time for that. Me and my driver have had the efficient training and do our best. We are well in the 9s on mixed weight work. Usually very light out and very heavy back.SteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:41 pmcurrently running 4, looking at a 5th early into the new year (COVID dependant...)
Not a bad shout, totally agree about having quality drivers and kit. It just piqued my interest when I saw the figures the Renaults were getting on the same job knowing how they were being driven.
For comparison, trialled a scania s500 last week and averaged 10.1mpg on the same work.
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Renault magnum, 500 volvo engine, 7mpg, daf ssc 460 about 8 to 8,5 mpg, man 480, driven by my driver, 7.5 mpg, man 540, about 8 mpg, man 480, driven by me 9.3 mpg last week, the answer is there if you look for it ! Generally I can get at least 1 mpg more if I’m driving it, however, if your deadline for delivery is at say 4 pm, and you get there at 4.10 pm and they won’t tip you, saving that 1 mpg has been unproductive
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
interesting stuff Karl thank you it does seem to suggest that there isn’t much of a difference across makes. I think next step is going to have to be arranging a couple of demos and test them on our job.KenGato wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:43 pm Renault magnum, 500 volvo engine, 7mpg, daf ssc 460 about 8 to 8,5 mpg, man 480, driven by my driver, 7.5 mpg, man 540, about 8 mpg, man 480, driven by me 9.3 mpg last week, the answer is there if you look for it ! Generally I can get at least 1 mpg more if I’m driving it, however, if your deadline for delivery is at say 4 pm, and you get there at 4.10 pm and they won’t tip you, saving that 1 mpg has been unproductive
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
I reckon the biggest factor is the age and mileage of the truck, as they do more kms the fuel consumption seems to increase , however it’s just a feeling I have no proofSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:43 pminteresting stuff Karl thank you it does seem to suggest that there isn’t much of a difference across makes. I think next step is going to have to be arranging a couple of demos and test them on our job.KenGato wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:43 pm Renault magnum, 500 volvo engine, 7mpg, daf ssc 460 about 8 to 8,5 mpg, man 480, driven by my driver, 7.5 mpg, man 540, about 8 mpg, man 480, driven by me 9.3 mpg last week, the answer is there if you look for it ! Generally I can get at least 1 mpg more if I’m driving it, however, if your deadline for delivery is at say 4 pm, and you get there at 4.10 pm and they won’t tip you, saving that 1 mpg has been unproductive
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
I’d have to agree that based on the loose logic that as bores and valve stems wear your compression is going to suffer I.e. less bang for the the same fuel.KenGato wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:43 pmI reckon the biggest factor is the age and mileage of the truck, as they do more kms the fuel consumption seems to increase , however it’s just a feeling I have no proofSteveJr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:43 pminteresting stuff Karl thank you it does seem to suggest that there isn’t much of a difference across makes. I think next step is going to have to be arranging a couple of demos and test them on our job.KenGato wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:43 pm Renault magnum, 500 volvo engine, 7mpg, daf ssc 460 about 8 to 8,5 mpg, man 480, driven by my driver, 7.5 mpg, man 540, about 8 mpg, man 480, driven by me 9.3 mpg last week, the answer is there if you look for it ! Generally I can get at least 1 mpg more if I’m driving it, however, if your deadline for delivery is at say 4 pm, and you get there at 4.10 pm and they won’t tip you, saving that 1 mpg has been unproductive
One of mine is a Euro 5 XF and that can still top 8.6 on our job if driven properly, 850 clicks on the old bus as well
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Renault t range in and out of london never in top gear long, 2 loads a day hard graft 30 ton on flat every load 7.6 im happy with that
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
that’s a hard working truck mate but again, 0.5 mpg down on my Dafs with a heavier load and what sounds like less motorway running. I’d also be happy with 7.6
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
I’m getting 9.5mpg from a Scania 650 pulling a lowloader at 44t. Can’t get over how good it is compared to my old v8
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
We run top weight about 80 percent
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Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
Premium on containers over 40t most days urban driving average 9 mpg
Re: What’s everyone getting in terms of MPG running at 44 Tonnes (28000+ kg payload) I’m currently running some Euro 6
You might look at reprogramming the ECU. Some firms claim 20% more up more torque and 10% better fuel consumption. I had it done to a 430 MAN shoved it up to 500hp but did improve the consumption. Gaved a look round the market, should cost about £650 to 700. To do. You may find a good deal being offered.
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