As a new class 1, who has gone thru hoops to get a license to be responsible for 44t on the road. Is it reasonable

[Gazardille24]

Ok, this might start some stupid comments but as a new class 1, who has gone thru hoops to get a license to be responsible for 44t on the road. Is it reasonable to look for employment that gives:
4on 4off or 5on 3off
Company training if needed
Uniform etc. inc
Min £16 ph
Min 48hr or 50hr pw
Paid breaks
Some nights at home
Paid parking fees
4 weeks holiday
Well maintained vehicle
To be treated like a human
Some might scoff, but seriously is it too much to ask?
Be safe on the roads guys

[ianyssaha]

Pick 2 of the first 5. Pick 2 of the rest.

[shunnzo8]

Why would u want s minimum of 50 hours? Maximum maybe

[Gazardille24]

Why would u want s minimum of 50 hours? Maximum maybe

why not, if on 5on 3off, 5x10hr days, that seems reasonable

[shunnzo8]

Why would u want s minimum of 50 hours? Maximum maybe

why not, if on 5on 3off, 5x10hr days, that seems reasonable

True but never ask for a minimum Always better to be on salary imo

[Gazardille24]

Why would u want s minimum of 50 hours? Maximum maybe

why not, if on 5on 3off, 5x10hr days, that seems reasonable

True but never ask for a minimum Always better to be on salary imo

really? Doesn’t salary mean they max u out? Ur opinion is valued

[shunnzo8]

why not, if on 5on 3off, 5x10hr days, that seems reasonable

True but never ask for a minimum Always better to be on salary imo

really? Doesn’t salary mean they max u out? Ur opinion is valued

I do 4 night runs approx 11 hours a shift and earn more than I ever did Tramping if u on 25 a night out u got to take 100 per week off as it's not wages it's a payment for u been away from home Did 27 years on it got no interest in sleeping in a tin box ever again

[Gazardille24]

True but never ask for a minimum Always better to be on salary imo

really? Doesn’t salary mean they max u out? Ur opinion is valued

I do 4 night runs approx 11 hours a shift and earn more than I ever did Tramping if u on 25 a night out u got to take 100 per week off as it's not wages it's a payment for u been away from home Did 27 years on it got no interest in sleeping in a tin box ever again

thanks for the great reply

[shunnzo8]

really? Doesn’t salary mean they max u out? Ur opinion is valued

I do 4 night runs approx 11 hours a shift and earn more than I ever did Tramping if u on 25 a night out u got to take 100 per week off as it's not wages it's a payment for u been away from home Did 27 years on it got no interest in sleeping in a tin box ever again

thanks for the great reply

just been honest mate I do 4 night runs and not on a grand a week but tbh not far short and I'm home a lot more

[Gazardille24]

I do 4 night runs approx 11 hours a shift and earn more than I ever did Tramping if u on 25 a night out u got to take 100 per week off as it's not wages it's a payment for u been away from home Did 27 years on it got no interest in sleeping in a tin box ever again

thanks for the great reply

just been honest mate I do 4 night runs and not on a grand a week but tbh not far short and I'm home a lot more

thanks appreciate ur view, hopefully I can find something similar, I prefer nights too

[Anddboxem]

Why would u want s minimum of 50 hours? Maximum maybe

Lorry drivers don't all do fifty hours some do a lot more

[TamNeko]

You will find a lot of firms offer that package..not 50 hrs..not more time at home..possibly do nightwork..

[jasSnoop]

Culina

[Cargoodem]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

[marQuant]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

[KusThus]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

she mite be including breaks and POA in that 60-70 hrs

[AndScoop]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

no they aren’t you can work 70 hours and still average 48 hours in a reference period whether that be 17 or 26 weeks

[marQuant]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

no they aren’t you can work 70 hours and still average 48 hours in a reference period whether that be 17 or 26 weeks

if you are stupid enough to work 70 hours then you are 22 over the average allowance (48), so you’ll need to pay back 22 hours at some point over the 17 week (or pre agreed) reference period so you’ll need a 26 hour week to balance the scale. The biggest problem here is drivers are generally poorly financially educated, they calculate overtime at the same flat hourly rate, they therefore work overtime for no extra payment.

[marQuant]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

no they aren’t you can work 70 hours and still average 48 hours in a reference period whether that be 17 or 26 weeks

if you work Christmas Day I’ll give you the equivalent hours off on 20th March, that makes us square right?

[marQuant]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

no they aren’t you can work 70 hours and still average 48 hours in a reference period whether that be 17 or 26 weeks

The point is drivers are being taken advantage of and shooting themselves in the foot by using break mode or POA mode when it’s illegal to do so. Ie POA duration needs to be known before POA is activated. Any driver on POA is not required to be at his work station for the advanced agreed duration. He can leave site, go to the gym or the pub and return at the pre arranged time. The trouble is most drives are not too smart, they look at max hours instead of max £ per hour

[marQuant]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

she mite be including breaks and POA in that 60-70 hrs

and the funny thing here is some silly c**ts use break or POA mode to extend their working hours and thereby lower their hourly rate! If they used their brain mode they would disregard POA work less hours and earn more per hour!

[jaiCinco]

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

she mite be including breaks and POA in that 60-70 hrs

and the funny thing here is some silly c**ts use break or POA mode to extend their working hours and thereby lower their hourly rate! If they used their brain mode they would disregard POA work less hours and earn more per hour!

I absolutely refuse to use poa based on the grounds the only person to benefit from it is the boss

[Gazardille24]

Well you will get most of that but the min £16 ph is probably a sticking point. My son has been driving for a couple of years and now is just starting to get up to that pay scale but is actually working 60-70 working week.

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

no they aren’t you can work 70 hours and still average 48 hours in a reference period whether that be 17 or 26 weeks

I thought the 48 average was driving hours, wtd is 60hrs a week

[Gazardille24]

your son is breaking the law, unfortunately new drivers are being taken advantage of. It is illegal to work more than a 48hr average week over a 17 week reference period

she mite be including breaks and POA in that 60-70 hrs

and the funny thing here is some silly c**ts use break or POA mode to extend their working hours and thereby lower their hourly rate! If they used their brain mode they would disregard POA work less hours and earn more per hour!

I think that’s incorrect, 48 is driving hours

[marQuant]

she mite be including breaks and POA in that 60-70 hrs

and the funny thing here is some silly c**ts use break or POA mode to extend their working hours and thereby lower their hourly rate! If they used their brain mode they would disregard POA work less hours and earn more per hour!

I think that’s incorrect, 48 is driving hours

unfortunately there’s too many idiots like you on the road, and that’s the reason I retired after 30 years

[lukKaven]

and the funny thing here is some silly c**ts use break or POA mode to extend their working hours and thereby lower their hourly rate! If they used their brain mode they would disregard POA work less hours and earn more per hour!

I think that’s incorrect, 48 is driving hours

unfortunately there’s too many idiots like you on the road, and that’s the reason I retired after 30 years

who do you think you are

[KusThus]

I think that’s incorrect, 48 is driving hours

unfortunately there’s too many idiots like you on the road, and that’s the reason I retired after 30 years

who do you think you are

I’m salaried and on containers so I only drive or sleep so don’t matter what mode I use as I usually get split rests in and a shift is anything between 8hrs and 15 hrs

[JoeFinest]

and the funny thing here is some silly c**ts use break or POA mode to extend their working hours and thereby lower their hourly rate! If they used their brain mode they would disregard POA work less hours and earn more per hour!

I think that’s incorrect, 48 is driving hours

unfortunately there’s too many idiots like you on the road, and that’s the reason I retired after 30 years

I’m her son I know the laws and that my father is also a driver he’s had over 30+ years experience and I’ve never had any infringement on worming hours and that the company I work keep a check on everything plus I’m home early Friday afternoon and not back till Monday morning

[marQuant]

I think that’s incorrect, 48 is driving hours

unfortunately there’s too many idiots like you on the road, and that’s the reason I retired after 30 years

I’m her son I know the laws and that my father is also a driver he’s had over 30+ years experience and I’ve never had any infringement on worming hours and that the company I work keep a check on everything plus I’m home early Friday afternoon and not back till Monday morning

https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-working-hours

[Daancyat5]

As a Newby driver yes it's too much to ask

[Gazardille24]

As a Newby driver yes it's too much to ask

that seems to be an opinion of quite a few, although others say times are changing, I value all the comments

[Daancyat5]

As a Newby driver yes it's too much to ask

that seems to be an opinion of quite a few, although others say times are changing, I value all the comments

I've had my licence for 15 yrs I work fora local company in zero hour contract. They are short of work for the first time in three years. I'm first out

[bluBlanc]

Just get out there and try a bit of everything until you find what fits.

[Gazardille24]

Just get out there and try a bit of everything until you find what fits.

thanks

[irvvering02]

£16 an hour alone for a new start is asking a bit much

[RayGotta]

You maybe have a licence, but no experience. You have still have a lot to learn. But you are getting there.

[Gazardille24]

You maybe have a licence, but no experience. You have still have a lot to learn. But you are getting there.

true, that’s understandable, but company’s offering £12 ish when shelf stackers get that without all the responsibilities seems a bit insulting to me..
personally I think the guys who have the experience should be £20 ph+

[LiaNicer]

You maybe have a licence, but no experience. You have still have a lot to learn. But you are getting there.

true, that’s understandable, but company’s offering £12 ish when shelf stackers get that without all the responsibilities seems a bit insulting to me..
personally I think the guys who have the experience should be £20 ph+

its not when your starting out and gaining experience, you cant demand money without experience just cos you now got a licenece

[Gazardille24]

You maybe have a licence, but no experience. You have still have a lot to learn. But you are getting there.

true, that’s understandable, but company’s offering £12 ish when shelf stackers get that without all the responsibilities seems a bit insulting to me..
personally I think the guys who have the experience should be £20 ph+

its not when your starting out and gaining experience, you cant demand money without experience just cos you now got a licenece

not demanding anything, asking opinions off group if it’s a reasonable amount.

[RayGotta]

You maybe have a licence, but no experience. You have still have a lot to learn. But you are getting there.

true, that’s understandable, but company’s offering £12 ish when shelf stackers get that without all the responsibilities seems a bit insulting to me..
personally I think the guys who have the experience should be £20 ph+

I retired last December and was earning £20 an hr. But you have to start at the beginning. It wont take long.

[Gazardille24]

You maybe have a licence, but no experience. You have still have a lot to learn. But you are getting there.

true, that’s understandable, but company’s offering £12 ish when shelf stackers get that without all the responsibilities seems a bit insulting to me..
personally I think the guys who have the experience should be £20 ph+

I retired last December and was earning £20 an hr. But you have to start at the beginning. It wont take long.

thanks, is ur job going then?

[RayGotta]

true, that’s understandable, but company’s offering £12 ish when shelf stackers get that without all the responsibilities seems a bit insulting to me..
personally I think the guys who have the experience should be £20 ph+

I retired last December and was earning £20 an hr. But you have to start at the beginning. It wont take long.

thanks, is ur job going then?

Yes it probably is. Contact Fly By Nite.

[treCert35]

You maybe have a licence, but no experience. You have still have a lot to learn. But you are getting there.

that's the problem guys don't want to start at the bottom and get experience they want to jump in at the top and earn mega bucks

[NicDoom]

You will struggle to find that in Lincolnshire

[patBabixz]

You will struggle to find that in Lincolnshire

Why? Freshlinc with 50+hours

[NicDoom]

You will struggle to find that in Lincolnshire

Why? Freshlinc with 50+hours

says he wants £16 per hour

[Gazardille24]

You will struggle to find that in Lincolnshire

Why? Freshlinc with 50+hours

says he wants £16 per hour

I asked if it was a reasonable expectation, not asked for it, just asked for opinions mate

[patBabixz]

You will struggle to find that in Lincolnshire

Why? Freshlinc with 50+hours

says he wants £16 per hour

From agency most pay 16-17.

[darWonder]

Do 1 in 6 off £1000 a week nothing less

[ClaClique]

Has took drivers years to find their ideal job in most cases. As a newbie it's not about being picky its about getting your foot in the door. Best of luck

[Gazardille24]

Has took drivers years to find their ideal job in most cases. As a newbie it's not about being picky its about getting your foot in the door. Best of luck

yep I agree that’s a great comment, I hope I can tick most boxes and be happy in a job, I'm not a company hopper, don’t believe the grass is greener etc, I’ve done my current job 20yrs and want a change and hopefully with a company I can stay with happily…

[merMurr]

Has took drivers years to find their ideal job in most cases. As a newbie it's not about being picky its about getting your foot in the door. Best of luck

yep I agree that’s a great comment, I hope I can tick most boxes and be happy in a job, I'm not a company hopper, don’t believe the grass is greener etc, I’ve done my current job 20yrs and want a change and hopefully with a company I can stay with happily…

if you're close to immingham have a look at dfds! They always taking drivers on

[Hartypert]

Has took drivers years to find their ideal job in most cases. As a newbie it's not about being picky its about getting your foot in the door. Best of luck

yep I agree that’s a great comment, I hope I can tick most boxes and be happy in a job, I'm not a company hopper, don’t believe the grass is greener etc, I’ve done my current job 20yrs and want a change and hopefully with a company I can stay with happily…

if you're close to immingham have a look at dfds! They always taking drivers on

I second this, I’m a new pass I work for DFDS and I honestly cannot fault them

[merMurr]

yep I agree that’s a great comment, I hope I can tick most boxes and be happy in a job, I'm not a company hopper, don’t believe the grass is greener etc, I’ve done my current job 20yrs and want a change and hopefully with a company I can stay with happily…

if you're close to immingham have a look at dfds! They always taking drivers on

I second this, I’m a new pass I work for DFDS and I honestly cannot fault them

you're on curtains aren't you?

[Hartypert]

if you're close to immingham have a look at dfds! They always taking drivers on

I second this, I’m a new pass I work for DFDS and I honestly cannot fault them

you're on curtains aren't you?

yeah

[ParUnique]

If your argument is the responsibility for £16 ph, then you should have a Google of what firefighters and coppers get paid, I’m fairly confident you'll be surprised. Or even the armed forces.

[smaSmaze]

If your argument is the responsibility for £16 ph, then you should have a Google of what firefighters and coppers get paid, I’m fairly confident you'll be surprised. Or even the armed forces.

yes but they can retire at 55 on a full pension

[ParUnique]

If your argument is the responsibility for £16 ph, then you should have a Google of what firefighters and coppers get paid, I’m fairly confident you'll be surprised. Or even the armed forces.

yes but they can retire at 55 on a full pension

ideal so get shot at, risk your life and earn peanuts. But you get the same peanuts from 55 oooo sounds tempting.

[WhinageA1]

If your argument is the responsibility for £16 ph, then you should have a Google of what firefighters and coppers get paid, I’m fairly confident you'll be surprised. Or even the armed forces.

yes but they can retire at 55 on a full pension

ideal so get shot at, risk your life and earn peanuts. But you get the same peanuts from 55 oooo sounds tempting.

Aren't you risking your life being a wheel attendant?
Risk of collision through accident and idiots
Risk of mental and physical injury, sitting there all day ain't good for you.
Prolonged hours of focus, well supposedly looking out the window, again not good.
Prolonged shift length with random start and finish times.
Potential stressful situations on the road, office and other places out of your control because you cannot be there.
Risk of cancer from the shifts and diesel etc.
You get the idea.......
I'll take nothing away from emergency services in a large number of cases they are outstanding and I know people make light of driving but on a serious note, it's actually quite dangerous all things considered and for what, quite low pay for the risk and affects on your life but we all have to do something.

[cramarcom]

If your argument is the responsibility for £16 ph, then you should have a Google of what firefighters and coppers get paid, I’m fairly confident you'll be surprised. Or even the armed forces.

yes but they can retire at 55 on a full pension

I retired at 42 and pensioned thank you.

[SarFarer]

If your argument is the responsibility for £16 ph, then you should have a Google of what firefighters and coppers get paid, I’m fairly confident you'll be surprised. Or even the armed forces.

yes but they can retire at 55 on a full pension

it’s a common misconception that you can retire at 55 as a police officer… police have to do 30 years service before they can retire. So, all depends when you join the Police. And the pension isn’t as good as it once was.

[brolandan]

If your argument is the responsibility for £16 ph, then you should have a Google of what firefighters and coppers get paid, I’m fairly confident you'll be surprised. Or even the armed forces.

yes but they can retire at 55 on a full pension

I retired at 42 and pensioned thank you.

lucky you

[NaiNavy]

If your argument is the responsibility for £16 ph, then you should have a Google of what firefighters and coppers get paid, I’m fairly confident you'll be surprised. Or even the armed forces.

Martin Brower Hemel Hempstead pay £22 an hour class 2, £24 an hour class 1!

[Gazardille24]

From what I have seen, the only way to get all options (apart from the shift rota and home time) is to work for a good family company tramping mon - Fri
I might be wrong and I’m sure someone will tell me I am

[Marppar43]

From what I have seen, the only way to get all options (apart from the shift rota and home time) is to work for a good family company tramping mon - Fri
I might be wrong and I’m sure someone will tell me I am

Normally the big outfits will give you what you're after via agency

[Marppar43]

From what I have seen, the only way to get all options (apart from the shift rota and home time) is to work for a good family company tramping mon - Fri
I might be wrong and I’m sure someone will tell me I am

Depending where you are in the country you'll easily get what you want with no nights out, all the best

[rusnett96]

You passed the test on the day now the learning begins don't run before you can walk

[Gazardille24]

You passed the test on the day now the learning begins don't run before you can walk

that’s understood, like any new driver, being on the road gains experience, I really do get that, just getting with a company that ticks most boxes feels the right path

[rusnett96]

You passed the test on the day now the learning begins don't run before you can walk

that’s understood, like any new driver, being on the road gains experience, I really do get that, just getting with a company that ticks most boxes feels the right path

if you can get it grab it and i hope you the best i no you would not get it from me and this post would stop me even having you for a interview
And you may be a grate driver and a good worker

[Gazardille24]

You passed the test on the day now the learning begins don't run before you can walk

that’s understood, like any new driver, being on the road gains experience, I really do get that, just getting with a company that ticks most boxes feels the right path

if you can get it grab it and i hope you the best i no you would not get it from me and this post would stop me even having you for a interview
And you may be a grate driver and a good worker

ok thanks, all feed back is appreciated, don’t know why asking for peoples views would stop me getting interviewed for a job. I’m interested in which direction to go and what to expect, I’m not looking to start arguments

[dunntical57]

that’s understood, like any new driver, being on the road gains experience, I really do get that, just getting with a company that ticks most boxes feels the right path

if you can get it grab it and i hope you the best i no you would not get it from me and this post would stop me even having you for a interview
And you may be a grate driver and a good worker

ok thanks, all feed back is appreciated, don’t know why asking for peoples views would stop me getting interviewed for a job. I’m interested in which direction to go and what to expect, I’m not looking to start arguments

I wouldn't want a interview with a man that cannot spell great either, good luck with the job hunt

[VauCozy]

No harm in asking, they can only tell you to pee off.

[neissbone60]

The only thing you'll struggle with on your wish list is 16p/h. My wage on Car Transporters, 4 on 4 off, averages around the £17.50 per hour with all bonuses but not including night out money. Even I do more than 48 hours in my 4 days, WTD is less than 48 hours though.

[NaiNavy]

The only thing you'll struggle with on your wish list is 16p/h. My wage on Car Transporters, 4 on 4 off, averages around the £17.50 per hour with all bonuses but not including night out money. Even I do more than 48 hours in my 4 days, WTD is less than 48 hours though.

Martin Brower in Hemel Hempstead paying over £20 an hour. Class 1 on nights is £24.50 an hour

[EdwTastic]

you might struggle with the last one, especially if you're tramping.