4:30 is exactly the same if you stop on 4:29:31 so it turns to 4:30 or if you stop on 4:30:29 so it stays on 4:30, it's 4:30 both times, absolutely no difference between the 2tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:45 am If its 4.29 when you stop and it then changes to 4.30 your okay. But if wheels still turning on 4.30 its an infringement.
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Re: Hello, Is it a infringement if you put it on break bang on 4.30 of driving hours? Cheers
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if your wheels turn after the tacho changes to 4.30 regardless if it’s 4.30.01 it’s an infringement! Try it and see!McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:46 am4:30 is exactly the same if you stop on 4:29:31 so it turns to 4:30 or if you stop on 4:30:29 so it stays on 4:30, it's 4:30 both times, absolutely no difference between the 2tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:45 am If its 4.29 when you stop and it then changes to 4.30 your okay. But if wheels still turning on 4.30 its an infringement.
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Tachos don't record seconds, they just use seconds to determine how the whole calendar minute is recorded, on a 2nd gen you could drive 58 seconds and not record any driving, the last 29 seconds of a minute and the 1st 29 of the next minute. The longest continuous activity in a minute is how the minute gets recorded.tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:46 amif your wheels turn after the tacho changes to 4.30 regardless if it’s 4.30.01 it’s an infringement! Try it and see!McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:46 am4:30 is exactly the same if you stop on 4:29:31 so it turns to 4:30 or if you stop on 4:30:29 so it stays on 4:30, it's 4:30 both times, absolutely no difference between the 2tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:45 am If its 4.29 when you stop and it then changes to 4.30 your okay. But if wheels still turning on 4.30 its an infringement.
Your actual driving time is irrelevant, it's only what the tacho says is driving time that matters.
You're allowed to drive for 4:30, if the tacho says 4:30 then that's what you've done and as you're allowed to drive 4:30 then there's no problem.
What happens sometimes is people park up on 4:30 and then once the clock flicks over onto the next minute the tacho calculates how to record that minute, so then a few seconds later if there was enough driving the the driving counter will flip onto 4:31, but if it stays on 4:30 after the clock has gone into the next minute then it isn't an infringement regardless of whether the analysis company give you an infringement for it or not!
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I can dig the legislation out of how tachos must work to back up my argument, can you?tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:46 amif your wheels turn after the tacho changes to 4.30 regardless if it’s 4.30.01 it’s an infringement! Try it and see!McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:46 am4:30 is exactly the same if you stop on 4:29:31 so it turns to 4:30 or if you stop on 4:30:29 so it stays on 4:30, it's 4:30 both times, absolutely no difference between the 2tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:45 am If its 4.29 when you stop and it then changes to 4.30 your okay. But if wheels still turning on 4.30 its an infringement.
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I can tell you how tacho’s work, clock hits 4.30, if wheels move the least bit thereafter tacho flashes up driving time exceeded. Next time you download your card it comes up as an infringement. Enjoy your digging!McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:51 amI can dig the legislation out of how tachos must work to back up my argument, can you?tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:46 amif your wheels turn after the tacho changes to 4.30 regardless if it’s 4.30.01 it’s an infringement! Try it and see!
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I asked you if you if you could fine the legislation that backs up your argument?tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:51 amI can tell you how tacho’s work, clock hits 4.30, if wheels move the least bit thereafter tacho flashes up driving time exceeded. Next time you download your card it comes up as an infringement. Enjoy your digging!McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:51 amI can dig the legislation out of how tachos must work to back up my argument, can you?tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:46 am
if your wheels turn after the tacho changes to 4.30 regardless if it’s 4.30.01 it’s an infringement! Try it and see!
We both know you can't find that bit of legislation, because it doesn't exist.
At least you've learnt something!
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yes I have you talk sh*t!McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:52 amI asked you if you if you could fine the legislation that backs up your argument?tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:51 amI can tell you how tacho’s work, clock hits 4.30, if wheels move the least bit thereafter tacho flashes up driving time exceeded. Next time you download your card it comes up as an infringement. Enjoy your digging!
We both know you can't find that bit of legislation, because it doesn't exist.
At least you've learnt something!
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you say you can back up your statement by digging out the legislation, then you say it doesn’t exist! Wtf!McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:52 amI asked you if you if you could fine the legislation that backs up your argument?tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:51 amI can tell you how tacho’s work, clock hits 4.30, if wheels move the least bit thereafter tacho flashes up driving time exceeded. Next time you download your card it comes up as an infringement. Enjoy your digging!
We both know you can't find that bit of legislation, because it doesn't exist.
At least you've learnt something!
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I can dig out the legislation that backs me up, it's the bit that would back you up that doesn't exist, do keep up old chaptempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:53 amyou say you can back up your statement by digging out the legislation, then you say it doesn’t exist! Wtf!McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:52 amI asked you if you if you could fine the legislation that backs up your argument?tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:51 am
I can tell you how tacho’s work, clock hits 4.30, if wheels move the least bit thereafter tacho flashes up driving time exceeded. Next time you download your card it comes up as an infringement. Enjoy your digging!
We both know you can't find that bit of legislation, because it doesn't exist.
At least you've learnt something!
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so the digital tacho is wrong, the download machine is wrong the different companies that I’ve had infringements for 4.30 driving are all wrong! But your right?McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amI can dig out the legislation that backs me up, it's the bit that would back you up that doesn't exist, do keep up old chaptempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:53 amyou say you can back up your statement by digging out the legislation, then you say it doesn’t exist! Wtf!
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the analysis can be set to give an infringment for 4:30 if they want, that doesn't mean it's illegal,tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amso the digital tacho is wrong, the download machine is wrong the different companies that I’ve had infringements for 4.30 driving are all wrong! But your right?McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amI can dig out the legislation that backs me up, it's the bit that would back you up that doesn't exist, do keep up old chaptempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:53 am
you say you can back up your statement by digging out the legislation, then you say it doesn’t exist! Wtf!
The legislation says you can drive for 4:30 before you must have a break of 45 mins or split or you must start a rest period.
The legislation says that what the recording equipment says is your driving time, is your driving time, your driving time on a stopwatch for example is irrelevant.
The legislation says that each calendar minute is allocated an activity, the longest continuous activity of the minute is how the whole minute is to be recorded.
Unless the calendar minute before and after is allocated driving, then that middle minute will be allocated driving too.
So if only whole calendar minutes are allocated activities, then there can't be any seconds - other then to determine which activity the minute is to be allocated.
So stopping driving 31 seconds into the minute when the driving counter says 4:29, will mean it'll change to 4:30. Stopping driving 29 seconds into the minute and selecting break straight away when the driving counter says 4:30, will mean it'll stay on 4:30 and then as 31 seconds of the minute were break, then that minute will be allocated break.
4:30 is 270 minutes, so in both cases 270 minutes have been allocated as driving, there's no difference, there could be a massive difference in the actual driving time on a stopwatch, but as we know, only what the recording equipment says is driving time is your driving.
And as 4:30 is allowed, then it's legal, so I would point out that 4:30 isn't an infringement if they tried to give me one for it, they could then say it's company policy, and that's their right.
Just because you get an infringement doesn't mean it's correct, I once got a load of infringements for a certain thing, checked it all, knew I was right, boss contacted the analysis company who then changed their software / settings as they realize they were wrong and I was right, I didn't get any more on that particular thing after that
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.tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amso the digital tacho is wrong, the download machine is wrong the different companies that I’ve had infringements for 4.30 driving are all wrong! But your right?McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amI can dig out the legislation that backs me up, it's the bit that would back you up that doesn't exist, do keep up old chaptempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:53 am
you say you can back up your statement by digging out the legislation, then you say it doesn’t exist! Wtf!
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..tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amso the digital tacho is wrong, the download machine is wrong the different companies that I’ve had infringements for 4.30 driving are all wrong! But your right?McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amI can dig out the legislation that backs me up, it's the bit that would back you up that doesn't exist, do keep up old chaptempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:53 am
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...tempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amso the digital tacho is wrong, the download machine is wrong the different companies that I’ve had infringements for 4.30 driving are all wrong! But your right?McKeene wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 amI can dig out the legislation that backs me up, it's the bit that would back you up that doesn't exist, do keep up old chaptempixco67 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:53 am
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The legislation states that
'Driving Time' is the total accumulated time recorded as
Driving by the recording equipment
So if the vu shows 4.30 then that’s what you’ve done.
'Driving Time' is the total accumulated time recorded as
Driving by the recording equipment
So if the vu shows 4.30 then that’s what you’ve done.
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I stopped once bang on 4.5 and got an infringement it clicked over one minute and it didn't show on the clock taco cards are so wrong and unfair to the driver
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Don't fink u end up in prison if it 31
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Aye, locked up and license taken away too....
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You'll find out it in the next couple of weeks. You'll get a hoard of different answers on here but the bottom line is it all depends on how far into that minute you were, age and style of tacho etc. Done it a couple of times. Once got an infringement next time didn't (2 different vehicles, tach type age etc.)
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Re: Hello, Is it a infringement if you put it on break bang on 4.30 of driving hours? Cheers
Depends of the tacho. Old VDO and new VDO measures different. However, when you download your card on Tachomaster or FTA 90% you don’t have an infringement even if the tacho unit flashed.
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I always go 4.31 to be on the safe side
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No done it a few times
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Don’t worry about it just do a printout explain on the back your useless , and try not to do it regularly, you’ll be fine
Re: Hello, Is it a infringement if you put it on break bang on 4.30 of driving hours? Cheers
Yep cos if it displays 4h30 then your in the 30 minute and will register 4h31
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4.30 isn’t an infringement. Either you were over 30secs or the analysis software is set up for company policy or done incorrectly
Re: Hello, Is it a infringement if you put it on break bang on 4.30 of driving hours? Cheers
Technically at 4,30. You are in to the next minute, so really 4:29.59seconds is legal..
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it's not about technicalities
The legislation states that the time is whatever is recorded by the calibrated recording device so if the tachograph says 4.30 then that's not an infringement but 4.31 is
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please explain why that's incorrect in your opinion
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true but the tachograph only displays completed full minutes so if it says 4.30 that's OK even if it's actually 4.30 and a few seconds
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my training would specifically say otherwise.fowForce wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:17 amtrue but the tachograph only displays completed full minutes so if it says 4.30 that's OK even if it's actually 4.30 and a few seconds
Each to their own I guess
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then your training wasn't based on the legislation
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Absolutely definitely 199% No
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percentages always out of 100 not more
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Much easier not to run a card, or put ya 2nd one in around 4 hours
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Yes definitely an infringement
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Goes to the nearest minute , so if over 4hrs 30 and 31 seconds it’s an infringement
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I like to round it up to a straight 5hrs that extra 30 mins makes all the difference
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Re: Hello, Is it a infringement if you put it on break bang on 4.30 of driving hours? Cheers
Nope as long as the display says 4:30 but it's a dangerous game to play as it will tick over as soon as it gets to 4 hours 30 mins and 29 secs.
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Depends who’s doing the analysing. Most won’t worry
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Its classed as an 11hr drive with 16 hr spreadover, it's the law !!!
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And so long as you don't make a habit of it they're not going to worry about a minute
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If not stopped by 4:30 driving that’s over
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Re: Hello, Is it a infringement if you put it on break bang on 4.30 of driving hours? Cheers
No mate. If you parked up within the first 30 seconds. But if you parked up after the 30 seconds it tends to clock you 4hr 31. But plead ignorance take print out
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Re: Hello, Is it a infringement if you put it on break bang on 4.30 of driving hours? Cheers
One simple question again and so many different answers
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That’s kinda like say’n when my 45 is up should i wait another 2 mins NAW
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No that's the maximum but better to go earlier
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