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RADPEEL
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iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:46 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:46 pm

Define “doing something you’re not meant to”.
Because your employer’s definition of that will probably be different to yours.
Not wearing a seatbelt, being on the phone, eating whilst driving. Things like that. We’re all guilty of it at some stage
“Eating while driving”!!?
And you’re ok with them using a camera to pick you up on something like that?
… wow.
Everything I’ve stated is illegal to do whilst driving so why not 🤷‍♂️ We’ve all done it. Some companies are more lenient than others, just depends on how pathetic they want to be!
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RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:46 pm

Not wearing a seatbelt, being on the phone, eating whilst driving. Things like that. We’re all guilty of it at some stage
“Eating while driving”!!?
And you’re ok with them using a camera to pick you up on something like that?
… wow.
Everything I’ve stated is illegal to do whilst driving so why not 🤷‍♂️ We’ve all done it. Some companies are more lenient than others, just depends on how pathetic they want to be!
I’d like to see our planners’ reactions if I had to pull over every time I felt like pulling a sandwich out of the fridge, or felt “a bit of a sneeze” coming on.
Pretty sure they’d disable that camera themselves within a week.
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RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:46 pm

Not wearing a seatbelt, being on the phone, eating whilst driving. Things like that. We’re all guilty of it at some stage
“Eating while driving”!!?
And you’re ok with them using a camera to pick you up on something like that?
… wow.
Everything I’ve stated is illegal to do whilst driving so why not 🤷‍♂️ We’ve all done it. Some companies are more lenient than others, just depends on how pathetic they want to be!
When every forklift driver has an inward facing camera, every planner has a live-link to the webcam above his screen, every transport manager has a camera I can access in the corner of his office, pointing at his workplace, when the CEO agrees to cameras in the boardroom - then I might go along with this crap.
Until then - it’s a handy place to hang my hat.
RADPEEL
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iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:48 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm

“Eating while driving”!!?
And you’re ok with them using a camera to pick you up on something like that?
… wow.
Everything I’ve stated is illegal to do whilst driving so why not 🤷‍♂️ We’ve all done it. Some companies are more lenient than others, just depends on how pathetic they want to be!
When every forklift driver has an inward facing camera, every planner has a live-link to the webcam above his screen, every transport manager has a camera I can access in the corner of his office, pointing at his workplace, when the CEO agrees to cameras in the boardroom - then I might go along with this crap.
Until then - it’s a handy place to hang my hat.
That’s your opinion. Like the driver facing camera that sent down a driver because he wasn’t paying attention to the road and killed multiple people. Like i said, if you don’t like it being there then you must be doing something you’re not meant to 👍
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RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:49 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:48 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm

Everything I’ve stated is illegal to do whilst driving so why not 🤷‍♂️ We’ve all done it. Some companies are more lenient than others, just depends on how pathetic they want to be!
When every forklift driver has an inward facing camera, every planner has a live-link to the webcam above his screen, every transport manager has a camera I can access in the corner of his office, pointing at his workplace, when the CEO agrees to cameras in the boardroom - then I might go along with this crap.
Until then - it’s a handy place to hang my hat.
That’s your opinion. Like the driver facing camera that sent down a driver because he wasn’t paying attention to the road and killed multiple people. Like i said, if you don’t like it being there then you must be doing something you’re not meant to 👍
Or the driver who was sacked because they saw him smoking on the footage - when they told him it was “for his safety only”.
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RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:49 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:48 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:47 pm

Everything I’ve stated is illegal to do whilst driving so why not 🤷‍♂️ We’ve all done it. Some companies are more lenient than others, just depends on how pathetic they want to be!
When every forklift driver has an inward facing camera, every planner has a live-link to the webcam above his screen, every transport manager has a camera I can access in the corner of his office, pointing at his workplace, when the CEO agrees to cameras in the boardroom - then I might go along with this crap.
Until then - it’s a handy place to hang my hat.
That’s your opinion. Like the driver facing camera that sent down a driver because he wasn’t paying attention to the road and killed multiple people. Like i said, if you don’t like it being there then you must be doing something you’re not meant to 👍
No, no, bring it on, you’ve converted me.
I’ll be visiting every single services between Harwich & Glasgow, to do all the things I’m “not supposed to be doing” while driving.
I left primary school in 1976 mate. We kind of expect to be treated like adults where I work.
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iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:50 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:49 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:48 pm

When every forklift driver has an inward facing camera, every planner has a live-link to the webcam above his screen, every transport manager has a camera I can access in the corner of his office, pointing at his workplace, when the CEO agrees to cameras in the boardroom - then I might go along with this crap.
Until then - it’s a handy place to hang my hat.
That’s your opinion. Like the driver facing camera that sent down a driver because he wasn’t paying attention to the road and killed multiple people. Like i said, if you don’t like it being there then you must be doing something you’re not meant to 👍
No, no, bring it on, you’ve converted me.
I’ll be visiting every single services between Harwich & Glasgow, to do all the things I’m “not supposed to be doing” while driving.
I left primary school in 1976 mate. We kind of expect to be treated like adults where I work.
I don’t have them in my truck but know of drivers who do and they don’t care. Some companies use them to spy on you and some companies use it for good purposes. Just got to pick the good from the bad
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RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:50 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:50 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:49 pm

That’s your opinion. Like the driver facing camera that sent down a driver because he wasn’t paying attention to the road and killed multiple people. Like i said, if you don’t like it being there then you must be doing something you’re not meant to 👍
No, no, bring it on, you’ve converted me.
I’ll be visiting every single services between Harwich & Glasgow, to do all the things I’m “not supposed to be doing” while driving.
I left primary school in 1976 mate. We kind of expect to be treated like adults where I work.
I don’t have them in my truck but know of drivers who do and they don’t care. Some companies use them to spy on you and some companies use it for good purposes. Just got to pick the good from the bad
I’m just wondering when it was that the Great British Trucker became so meek.
I’m guessing around the time Stobart drivers started grassing each other up for not wearing a green tie. New generation came through - too scared to say Boo to a goose.
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iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:51 pm
RADPEEL wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:50 pm
iannichoJR wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:50 pm

No, no, bring it on, you’ve converted me.
I’ll be visiting every single services between Harwich & Glasgow, to do all the things I’m “not supposed to be doing” while driving.
I left primary school in 1976 mate. We kind of expect to be treated like adults where I work.
I don’t have them in my truck but know of drivers who do and they don’t care. Some companies use them to spy on you and some companies use it for good purposes. Just got to pick the good from the bad
I’m just wondering when it was that the Great British Trucker became so meek.
I’m guessing around the time Stobart drivers started grassing each other up for not wearing a green tie. New generation came through - too scared to say Boo to a goose.
They are few and far between but times are changing and unfortunately more and more people are becoming snowflakes
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If I could have a screen in my cab, recording everything they do in the office, each individual desk that I could record at random, then I might consider a driver facing camera in my cab! ( On reflection, no chance! I would never entertain it)
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Timm.Classy wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:53 pm If I could have a screen in my cab, recording everything they do in the office, each individual desk that I could record at random, then I might consider a driver facing camera in my cab! ( On reflection, no chance! I would never entertain it)
same they can ram them up their holes, simple !!
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Can’t see the problem if you’ve nothing to hide.
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Perfectly legal , the same as CCTV in any workplace. Covering the camera is a disciplinary offence. They only record when the vehicle is switched on and most close down after the vehicle has been stationary for a few minutes. They will save you company a fortune on insurance premiums and could save you license and may be even your life after a collision/incident. If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about!
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ROSS+Press wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:55 pm Perfectly legal , the same as CCTV in any workplace. Covering the camera is a disciplinary offence. They only record when the vehicle is switched on and most close down after the vehicle has been stationary for a few minutes. They will save you company a fortune on insurance premiums and could save you license and may be even your life after a collision/incident. If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about!
please expand on how it could save your life after a collision? Does it become articulate and administer first aid?
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iannPark33 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:56 pm
ROSS+Press wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:55 pm Perfectly legal , the same as CCTV in any workplace. Covering the camera is a disciplinary offence. They only record when the vehicle is switched on and most close down after the vehicle has been stationary for a few minutes. They will save you company a fortune on insurance premiums and could save you license and may be even your life after a collision/incident. If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about!
please expand on how it could save your life after a collision? Does it become articulate and administer first aid?
if it is a live link system it records a sudden stop. it will notify your control/transport office. They will then check on the driver either by phone or through the camera system. If you are incapacitated they can send help.
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ROSS+Press wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:07 pm
iannPark33 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:56 pm
ROSS+Press wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:55 pm Perfectly legal , the same as CCTV in any workplace. Covering the camera is a disciplinary offence. They only record when the vehicle is switched on and most close down after the vehicle has been stationary for a few minutes. They will save you company a fortune on insurance premiums and could save you license and may be even your life after a collision/incident. If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about!
please expand on how it could save your life after a collision? Does it become articulate and administer first aid?
if it is a live link system it records a sudden stop. it will notify your control/transport office. They will then check on the driver either by phone or through the camera system. If you are incapacitated they can send help.
surely trackers and systems such as Scania fleet do the same, without the invasion of privacy?
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iannPark33 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:07 pm
ROSS+Press wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:07 pm
iannPark33 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:56 pm

please expand on how it could save your life after a collision? Does it become articulate and administer first aid?
if it is a live link system it records a sudden stop. it will notify your control/transport office. They will then check on the driver either by phone or through the camera system. If you are incapacitated they can send help.
surely trackers and systems such as Scania fleet do the same, without the invasion of privacy?
some trackers will notify a sudden stop.. not everyone is unfortunate enough to drive a scania🤣
Companies have actually been taken to court to prove that as its in the workplace it's not classed as invasion of privacy. But there are restrictions to what a company can do with them and the footage
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When every forklift driver has an inward facing camera, every planner has a live-link to the webcam above his screen, every transport manager has a camera I can access in the corner of his office, pointing at his workplace, when the CEO agrees to cameras in the boardroom - then I might go along with this crap.
Until then - it’s a handy place to hang my hat.
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Post by Hoylesizar_Pod »

Not sure what your problem is I have one every night not caused me any issue but I drive with due care and attention only cowboys are scared of these things
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If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about
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I think it’s wrong …… absolutely no privacy at all
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Your in a place of work but it must be able to turn off when ignition isn’t on, so it’s legal, if you’ve nothing to hide, what’s the problem
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trukkerConn wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:11 pm Your in a place of work but it must be able to turn off when ignition isn’t on, so it’s legal, if you’ve nothing to hide, what’s the problem
exactly
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Post by andosco.Rap »

They've had em years I out a post up about this 2 years ago.
When the ignition is off its. Not filming aparantly..
But they do check it. Randomly. Throughout your shift so be careful I've know drivers. To. Be dismissed when they get back for answering a call..
Its dogs hit we all know it but this sorta thing is only going to get worse. I mends look at me here I am doing 50 in the middle lane and nothing had hap..... 💥💥💥
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I have one, if your not doing anything wrong you be ok, carry on
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It’s not really anything to do with ‘if you’re doing nothing wrong why worry’.
It’s a little to do with civil liberties and the gradual erosion of privacy. Smacks very much of ‘1984’ by George Orwell. Having been entrusted to do the job correctly for 50 years, from London to Tehran and all points on between, without company input for weeks at a time, why would a company feel the need to have such intimate control of an employees life. As per other comments concerning telematics and other forms of checking an employers performance it does nothing to encourage new employees into the industry. X
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PAUCINEXS wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:29 am It’s not really anything to do with ‘if you’re doing nothing wrong why worry’.
It’s a little to do with civil liberties and the gradual erosion of privacy. Smacks very much of ‘1984’ by George Orwell. Having been entrusted to do the job correctly for 50 years, from London to Tehran and all points on between, without company input for weeks at a time, why would a company feel the need to have such intimate control of an employees life. As per other comments concerning telematics and other forms of checking an employers performance it does nothing to encourage new employees into the industry. X
a lot of the time now insurance companies are starting too ask for it and I would guessing they get a better deal on insurance rates
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Put tape over it, or a device playing a wagon journey.
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Just crank one out every hour they will either get you help or stop giving you trucks with a camera 🤣
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Stepayer.Max wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:34 am Just crank one out every hour they will either get you help or stop giving you trucks with a camera 🤣
if he does that he'll be out of "fuel" by the third hour 😃 😃
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Got em in ours, over passenger door. For insurance purposes
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How much is the agency paying you to be there?
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kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am How much is the agency paying you to be there?
if you don't want to do something you don't have to. It's not all about money. The agency wouldn't have paid if he refused to drive it. He can go and find a truck without a camera on him everyone happy.
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sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am How much is the agency paying you to be there?
if you don't want to do something you don't have to. It's not all about money. The agency wouldn't have paid if he refused to drive it. He can go and find a truck without a camera on him everyone happy.
I just wanted to know what the agy is paying at cullina mate
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kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:38 am
sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am How much is the agency paying you to be there?
if you don't want to do something you don't have to. It's not all about money. The agency wouldn't have paid if he refused to drive it. He can go and find a truck without a camera on him everyone happy.
I just wanted to know what the agy is paying at cullina mate
19£/h
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Stanis_Munde wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:41 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:38 am
sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am

if you don't want to do something you don't have to. It's not all about money. The agency wouldn't have paid if he refused to drive it. He can go and find a truck without a camera on him everyone happy.
I just wanted to know what the agy is paying at cullina mate
19£/h
is good
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Stanis_Munde wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:41 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:38 am
sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am

if you don't want to do something you don't have to. It's not all about money. The agency wouldn't have paid if he refused to drive it. He can go and find a truck without a camera on him everyone happy.
I just wanted to know what the agy is paying at cullina mate
19£/h
And you complain?
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kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:42 am
Stanis_Munde wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:41 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:38 am

I just wanted to know what the agy is paying at cullina mate
19£/h
And you complain?
yes 😎
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kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:38 am
sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am How much is the agency paying you to be there?
if you don't want to do something you don't have to. It's not all about money. The agency wouldn't have paid if he refused to drive it. He can go and find a truck without a camera on him everyone happy.
I just wanted to know what the agy is paying at cullina mate
fair enough chap, from what I've been offered so far agency are behind
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sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:43 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:38 am
sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:37 am

if you don't want to do something you don't have to. It's not all about money. The agency wouldn't have paid if he refused to drive it. He can go and find a truck without a camera on him everyone happy.
I just wanted to know what the agy is paying at cullina mate
fair enough chap, from what I've been offered so far agency are behind
how's that?
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kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:44 am
sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:43 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:38 am

I just wanted to know what the agy is paying at cullina mate
fair enough chap, from what I've been offered so far agency are behind
how's that?
well in felixstowe and stowmarket areas I was offered 12£ ish but from experience I tend to steer clear from agency now and not just the money..
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sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:44 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:44 am
sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:43 am

fair enough chap, from what I've been offered so far agency are behind
how's that?
well in felixstowe and stowmarket areas I was offered 12£ ish but from experience I tend to steer clear from agency now and not just the money..
12 ish is not great
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kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:44 am
sales+simply wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:44 am
kirboxin.69 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:44 am

how's that?
well in felixstowe and stowmarket areas I was offered 12£ ish but from experience I tend to steer clear from agency now and not just the money..
12 ish is not great
That was Arc 🤣 I was on 16ph there 4-5 years ago
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Not a f..king chances I tell f...k off and walk
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Lebony.Xinn wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:46 am Not a f..king chances I tell f...k off and walk
why?
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SAMOORS24 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:46 am
Lebony.Xinn wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:46 am Not a f..king chances I tell f...k off and walk
why?
I live in it week after week
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Lebony.Xinn wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:47 am
SAMOORS24 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:46 am
Lebony.Xinn wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:46 am Not a f..king chances I tell f...k off and walk
why?
I live in it week after week
but unless you are involved in an incident… it cannot be viewed. Its not cctv, that can just be watched, not like your office staff have anything better to do than watch you all day. So what's the issue?
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We have them in our tractor unit.. but I'm sure we signed a conformation that it is only viewable with driver and member of management in the event of an incident.
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It’s only illegal if they scroll through for no reason it’s there so if an incident happens they can check what you where doing at the time so if you don’t do anything wrong nothing to worry about
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35_rdsemmi wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:50 am It’s only illegal if they scroll through for no reason it’s there so if an incident happens they can check what you where doing at the time so if you don’t do anything wrong nothing to worry about
And you never do “nothing wrong”?
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Malcoin.Vod wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:51 am
35_rdsemmi wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:50 am It’s only illegal if they scroll through for no reason it’s there so if an incident happens they can check what you where doing at the time so if you don’t do anything wrong nothing to worry about
And you never do “nothing wrong”?
of cause we don't we just like angels lol
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iannichoJR wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:52 am
Malcoin.Vod wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:51 am
35_rdsemmi wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:50 am It’s only illegal if they scroll through for no reason it’s there so if an incident happens they can check what you where doing at the time so if you don’t do anything wrong nothing to worry about
And you never do “nothing wrong”?
of cause we don't we just like angels lol
There was this one Angel, went a different way than all the others…
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Malcoin.Vod wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:52 am
iannichoJR wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:52 am
Malcoin.Vod wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:51 am

And you never do “nothing wrong”?
of cause we don't we just like angels lol
There was this one Angel, went a different way than all the others…
I try to drive to high standards I may make mistakes as I’m only human and as my license is my living no I don’t do anything wrong on purpose why do you ignore the rules and road laws
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35_rdsemmi wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:53 am
Malcoin.Vod wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:52 am
iannichoJR wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:52 am

of cause we don't we just like angels lol
There was this one Angel, went a different way than all the others…
I try to drive to high standards I may make mistakes as I’m only human and as my license is my living no I don’t do anything wrong on purpose why do you ignore the rules and road laws
Still driving, on a clean license, after passing my test almost 40 years ago. So probably not doing that much wrong.
Just wondering when the Great British Trucker became such a corporate lamb.
Probably around the time Stobarts drivers started grassing each other up for not wearing a green tie.
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35_rdsemmi wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:50 am It’s only illegal if they scroll through for no reason it’s there so if an incident happens they can check what you where doing at the time so if you don’t do anything wrong nothing to worry about
but if you did do something wrong why would the company want evidence that's could go against them and leave their insurance liable for a claim
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It's in the contract where I work that they can install them. But we haven't got them yet
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Their lorry, their choice to fit them
As is your choice whether or not to drive it
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No chance, never again…didn’t realize they came on with the ignition turned on, everyone seen me watching fake now 🚕 😨🤦‍♂️
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If I wanted watching 24/7 I'd get a job I a office or shop I chose this profession because of the solidarity. I don't want someone watching my every move
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VicomnettAsp wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:00 am If I wanted watching 24/7 I'd get a job I a office or shop I chose this profession because of the solidarity. I don't want someone watching my every move
your office staff really don't have anything to do other than watch you drive around? I feel like the business may go under very soon if that's the case so you’ll need a new job anyway
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All trucks should have them in this day age no worries
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Got one in our work vans, they beep if not paying attention, warn you your speeding, and they take a photo every 2 mins, no sound recording, any harsh braking or stuff like that and they record, if you cover the cameras, they send an alert to head office,
‘Samsara camera’
I’ve covered the infrared with tape 😂
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Stop being a f@cking fairy and get on with it, if you do your job properly you have nothing to worry about
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Everyone has them after a day you forget they are there
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DBCrossed wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 am Everyone has them after a day you forget they are there
Everyone doesn’t have them. You just made that up.
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Malcoin.Vod wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 am
DBCrossed wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 am Everyone has them after a day you forget they are there
Everyone doesn’t have them. You just made that up.
you just get used to they office have better things to do than look at your willy
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DBCrossed wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:06 am
Malcoin.Vod wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 am
DBCrossed wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 am Everyone has them after a day you forget they are there
Everyone doesn’t have them. You just made that up.
you just get used to they office have better things to do than look at your willy
Is that what they tell you?
What do you think they’re all giggling about, over there pointing at you?
That little tweezer finger & thumb thing they’re doing?
It isn’t what you think it is.
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Unfortunately it's the norm these days, insurance will not insure unless they are fitted
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Some of you would do well to know the difference between the law and company policy 🤦🏽‍♂️😒 there is no law that says in cab cameras are a legal requirement however it can be company policy to fit the camera if you disagree with driving a unit with a camera you can tell the company. Company policy does not over ride the law so since there is no law on in cab cameras there is no legal action against you that can be taken if you cover or refuse to drive it. It’s the simple folks.
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Rich.Sublime wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:09 am Some of you would do well to know the difference between the law and company policy 🤦🏽‍♂️😒 there is no law that says in cab cameras are a legal requirement however it can be company policy to fit the camera if you disagree with driving a unit with a camera you can tell the company. Company policy does not over ride the law so since there is no law on in cab cameras there is no legal action against you that can be taken if you cover or refuse to drive it. It’s the simple folks.
Is there a law that says your employer cannot fit a camera to their own property?
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rickercoLil wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:11 am
Rich.Sublime wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:09 am Some of you would do well to know the difference between the law and company policy 🤦🏽‍♂️😒 there is no law that says in cab cameras are a legal requirement however it can be company policy to fit the camera if you disagree with driving a unit with a camera you can tell the company. Company policy does not over ride the law so since there is no law on in cab cameras there is no legal action against you that can be taken if you cover or refuse to drive it. It’s the simple folks.
Is there a law that says your employer cannot fit a camera to their own property?
nope there isn’t
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Rich.Sublime wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:11 am
rickercoLil wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:11 am
Rich.Sublime wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:09 am Some of you would do well to know the difference between the law and company policy 🤦🏽‍♂️😒 there is no law that says in cab cameras are a legal requirement however it can be company policy to fit the camera if you disagree with driving a unit with a camera you can tell the company. Company policy does not over ride the law so since there is no law on in cab cameras there is no legal action against you that can be taken if you cover or refuse to drive it. It’s the simple folks.
Is there a law that says your employer cannot fit a camera to their own property?
nope there isn’t
Lots of industries have employee facing cameras. I wouldn't like it. Leave if you don't agree with it.
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rickercoLil wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:12 am
Rich.Sublime wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:11 am
rickercoLil wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:11 am

Is there a law that says your employer cannot fit a camera to their own property?
nope there isn’t
Lots of industries have employee facing cameras. I wouldn't like it. Leave if you don't agree with it.
exactly but it’s not the law to have one fitted that’s all I’m saying
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Rich.Sublime wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:12 am
rickercoLil wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:12 am
Rich.Sublime wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:11 am

nope there isn’t
Lots of industries have employee facing cameras. I wouldn't like it. Leave if you don't agree with it.
exactly but it’s not the law to have one fitted that’s all I’m saying
who said it was the law?
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