Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
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Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hours or less no break was needed
Started my shift at 06:00 15 minute on other work then
Drove for 2 hours then stopped and put on poa for 3 hours as waiting. Then did 1 hour of other work and then drove for 2 hours back to the yard did 30 minutes other work and finished at 14:45 how much break was required?
Started my shift at 06:00 15 minute on other work then
Drove for 2 hours then stopped and put on poa for 3 hours as waiting. Then did 1 hour of other work and then drove for 2 hours back to the yard did 30 minutes other work and finished at 14:45 how much break was required?
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
I thought the first 45 counted as break I never use poa so I'm not 100% sure on that ?trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
only when double manned..burnsen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 amI thought the first 45 counted as break I never use poa so I'm not 100% sure on that ?trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
resets driving hours only does not count as break you need 30 min minimumburnsen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 amI thought the first 45 counted as break I never use poa so I'm not 100% sure on that ?trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
oh I see thanks for the info I just never us poa haarjo.bosco wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:08 amresets driving hours only does not count as break you need 30 min minimumburnsen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 amI thought the first 45 counted as break I never use poa so I'm not 100% sure on that ?trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
only on double manning as far as I'm aware mate. The tacho will register it as a break but it won't stand on a roadside stop by DVSA.burnsen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 amI thought the first 45 counted as break I never use poa so I'm not 100% sure on that ?trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
only if your double maned you should have had 1/2hr breakburnsen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 amI thought the first 45 counted as break I never use poa so I'm not 100% sure on that ?trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
only in slot 2burnsen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 amI thought the first 45 counted as break I never use poa so I'm not 100% sure on that ?trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
wrong. Yes, POA does not count as break, but it also doesn’t count as work.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
I meant to say the computer thinks you’ve worked 8:45 without a break93kevission wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:12 amwrong. Yes, POA does not count as break, but it also doesn’t count as work.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
computer won't think that he has worked 8 hours it will think 5:45trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:12 amI meant to say the computer thinks you’ve worked 8:45 without a break93kevission wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:12 amwrong. Yes, POA does not count as break, but it also doesn’t count as work.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
so why did it give an infringement?jamexxli wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:13 amcomputer won't think that he has worked 8 hours it will think 5:45trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:12 amI meant to say the computer thinks you’ve worked 8:45 without a break93kevission wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:12 am
wrong. Yes, POA does not count as break, but it also doesn’t count as work.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
we need to see a printout really, something isn’t righttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:13 amso why did it give an infringement?jamexxli wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:13 amcomputer won't think that he has worked 8 hours it will think 5:45trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:12 am
I meant to say the computer thinks you’ve worked 8:45 without a break
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
he hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
from 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
poa doesn't count towards working hrs..AmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
POA doesn’t count towards working hours.AmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
no I didn't word that right as still trying to get my head around the rules with poa but also doesn't count to break either hence the infringement?davement51 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:17 ampoa doesn't count towards working hrs..AmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 am
he hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exact
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
he has been at work for 8h45m but only working for 5h45m so doesn’t need a break. POA doesn’t count as working timeAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
doesn't count to break either though?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:19 amhe has been at work for 8h45m but only working for 5h45m so doesn’t need a break. POA doesn’t count as working timeAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 am
he hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exact
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
it’s brother working time not break. On that basis the working period is only 5hr45 so no break required.AmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
When double manned (so long as you are completing no other work) the first 45 will count itself as break and reset driving hours.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
poa still scrambles my brain tbh so if the logic you say being correct I can't understand why he'd get an infringement. Very odd.chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:19 amhe has been at work for 8h45m but only working for 5h45m so doesn’t need a break. POA doesn’t count as working timeAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 am
he hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exact
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
same Reason I said on the other post. Because his times are wrong. The computer doesn’t lie. Plain black and white. His events don’t match reality.AmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:22 ampoa still scrambles my brain tbh so if the logic you say being correct I can't understand why he'd get an infringement. Very odd.chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:19 amhe has been at work for 8h45m but only working for 5h45m so doesn’t need a break. POA doesn’t count as working time
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
poa doesn't count as work or break. Poa is available to work but not working to be honest it's best to use other work or breakAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
doesn’t matter Amara POA stops there your working time clock so it’s correct what others have said he’s only worked 5:45AmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
but it doesnt count as a break either. Needed 15 mins at 1300 hrs.chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
just curious then why did he get one ?????chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
that’s a good question. In my opinion, either he hasn’t given us exactly the right times, there’s an issue with the companies tacho analysis software or he’s just on the wind up. Without seeing a printout and the infringement then there’s no way of knowing.vicphon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:28 amjust curious then why did he get one ?????chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
poa is a pause in your working time so if you work 2hrs and then poa for 3hrs then work another 2hrs you have worked 4hrs and poa has paused the time time in between. You are paid for this time but it is not registered as work.AmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
If you drive for 2.5hrs then poa for 45min It will reset your drive time but if you drive for longer than 2hrs without taking a break you will get an infringement as it was paused on poa not a break.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
poa does not count too working hours when you put it on poa it stops the clock but doesn't count as breakAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
it doesn't but he still only done 5hrs45 work so wouldn't need a breakAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:15 amfrom 0600 to 1445 how is that only 5hrs 45. Poa doesn't count to break but counts towards working hours total does it not, tbh i struggle with poa and never use it?? So he did need a break. 15mins I believe as it was over 6hrs but less than 9?chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:14 amhe hasn’t worked 8:45 without a break, he’s worked 5:45, he doesn’t need a break. No infringement here as long as the times he’s given us are exacttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
I’ve been told POA pushes back, or stretches the wtd period, so the 3 hour POA is excluded, and extends the 6 hour time period rule. <But that I should have a break within the POA for my own safety etc etc>.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
correct it stops the clockNiKaven wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:31 amI’ve been told POA pushes back, or stretches the wtd period, so the 3 hour POA is excluded, and extends the 6 hour time period rule. <But that I should have a break within the POA for my own safety etc etc>.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
POA effectively pauses your work time so only 5:45 worked here.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
paused he’s work time, but didn’t paused his availability to work. So at the end of the day he spend 8:45 at work without taking any break.moydi2020 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:35 amPOA effectively pauses your work time so only 5:45 worked here.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
I don't need to explain its simpleLASZOWERON wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:41 ampaused he’s work time, but didn’t paused his availability to work. So at the end of the day he spend 8:45 at work without taking any break.moydi2020 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:35 amPOA effectively pauses your work time so only 5:45 worked here.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
no it doesn’t. But he doesn’t need a break because he hasn’t worked more than 6hrs. POA is a period of availability, it doesn’t go towards working timeAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:22 ampoa still scrambles my brain tbh so if the logic you say being correct I can't understand why he'd get an infringement. Very odd.chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:19 amhe has been at work for 8h45m but only working for 5h45m so doesn’t need a break. POA doesn’t count as working time
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
poa doesn't count as break for wtd as on poa you aren't technically able to dispose of your time freely as in the definition of a working break so he would of needed at least 15 mins before 6 hours from start of shiftchare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:47 amno it doesn’t. But he doesn’t need a break because he hasn’t worked more than 6hrs. POA is a period of availability, it doesn’t go towards working timeAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:22 ampoa still scrambles my brain tbh so if the logic you say being correct I can't understand why he'd get an infringement. Very odd.chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:19 am
he has been at work for 8h45m but only working for 5h45m so doesn’t need a break. POA doesn’t count as working time
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
you’re right in the fact that POA doesn’t count as break, but he doesn’t need a break because he hasn’t reached 6hrs working time or 4.5hrs driving timeGINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:53 ampoa doesn't count as break for wtd as on poa you aren't technically able to dispose of your time freely as in the definition of a working break so he would of needed at least 15 mins before 6 hours from start of shiftchare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:47 amno it doesn’t. But he doesn’t need a break because he hasn’t worked more than 6hrs. POA is a period of availability, it doesn’t go towards working time
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
but he hasn't had a break within 6 hours of the start of shift regardless of other work or poachare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:53 amyou’re right in the fact that POA doesn’t count as break, but he doesn’t need a break because he hasn’t reached 6hrs working time or 4.5hrs driving timeGINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:53 ampoa doesn't count as break for wtd as on poa you aren't technically able to dispose of your time freely as in the definition of a working break so he would of needed at least 15 mins before 6 hours from start of shiftchare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:47 am
no it doesn’t. But he doesn’t need a break because he hasn’t worked more than 6hrs. POA is a period of availability, it doesn’t go towards working time
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
that’s right, because he doesn’t need one as he hasn’t had 6hrs working time or driven 4 1/2hrsGINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:54 ambut he hasn't had a break within 6 hours of the start of shift regardless of other work or poachare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:53 amyou’re right in the fact that POA doesn’t count as break, but he doesn’t need a break because he hasn’t reached 6hrs working time or 4.5hrs driving timeGINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:53 am
poa doesn't count as break for wtd as on poa you aren't technically able to dispose of your time freely as in the definition of a working break so he would of needed at least 15 mins before 6 hours from start of shift
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
if you start work at 6am drive for 3 hrs then pop for 4 hours you have to by law have shown at least a 15 mins by 12pm or you will get infringements regardless of the fact you was on poa and not working as poa is not freely disposing of o es time it sucks but the law is the lawchare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:54 amthat’s right, because he doesn’t need one as he hasn’t had 6hrs working time or driven 4 1/2hrsGINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:54 ambut he hasn't had a break within 6 hours of the start of shift regardless of other work or poachare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:53 am
you’re right in the fact that POA doesn’t count as break, but he doesn’t need a break because he hasn’t reached 6hrs working time or 4.5hrs driving time
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
no you don’t. POA isn’t working time so any POA extends the time required before you need a break. In this example he started at 6am, did a mix of other work, driving plus 3hrs of POA, so the 3hrs of POA means he doesn’t need to take a break until 3pm. Similarly, if he’d had a mix of other work and driving, but had 10 minutes of break, he wouldn’t need a working time break until 12:10, the 10 minute break extends the time until he needs a working time break but doesn’t count as a working time break itself because they need to be of at least 15 minutes.GINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:55 amif you start work at 6am drive for 3 hrs then pop for 4 hours you have to by law have shown at least a 15 mins by 12pm or you will get infringements regardless of the fact you was on poa and not working as poa is not freely disposing of o es time it sucks but the law is the lawchare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:54 amthat’s right, because he doesn’t need one as he hasn’t had 6hrs working time or driven 4 1/2hrsGINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:54 am
but he hasn't had a break within 6 hours of the start of shift regardless of other work or poa
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
then why do you get infringements when on poa and not recording a break within 6 hours of start of shift doesn't that tell you your wrongchare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:55 amno you don’t. POA isn’t working time so any POA extends the time required before you need a break. In this example he started at 6am, did a mix of other work, driving plus 3hrs of POA, so the 3hrs of POA means he doesn’t need to take a break until 3pm. Similarly, if he’d had a mix of other work and driving, but had 10 minutes of break, he wouldn’t need a working time break until 12:10, the 10 minute break extends the time until he needs a working time break but doesn’t count as a working time break itself because they need to be of at least 15 minutes.GINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:55 amif you start work at 6am drive for 3 hrs then pop for 4 hours you have to by law have shown at least a 15 mins by 12pm or you will get infringements regardless of the fact you was on poa and not working as poa is not freely disposing of o es time it sucks but the law is the lawchare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:54 am
that’s right, because he doesn’t need one as he hasn’t had 6hrs working time or driven 4 1/2hrs
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
he shouldn’t have had an infringement, that’s why he has refused to sign it and escalated it to higher management.GINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:56 amthen why do you get infringements when on poa and not recording a break within 6 hours of start of shift doesn't that tell you your wrongchare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:55 amno you don’t. POA isn’t working time so any POA extends the time required before you need a break. In this example he started at 6am, did a mix of other work, driving plus 3hrs of POA, so the 3hrs of POA means he doesn’t need to take a break until 3pm. Similarly, if he’d had a mix of other work and driving, but had 10 minutes of break, he wouldn’t need a working time break until 12:10, the 10 minute break extends the time until he needs a working time break but doesn’t count as a working time break itself because they need to be of at least 15 minutes.GINGEST.08 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:55 am
if you start work at 6am drive for 3 hrs then pop for 4 hours you have to by law have shown at least a 15 mins by 12pm or you will get infringements regardless of the fact you was on poa and not working as poa is not freely disposing of o es time it sucks but the law is the law
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
it confuses many people, that’s why a lot won’t use it. I can’t see why he would have an infringement, really we need to see a printout to help understand thatAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:22 ampoa still scrambles my brain tbh so if the logic you say being correct I can't understand why he'd get an infringement. Very odd.chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:19 amhe has been at work for 8h45m but only working for 5h45m so doesn’t need a break. POA doesn’t count as working time
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
yeah print out would indeed help. Glad I'm not the only one it confuses then. one day with more experience I might get therechare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:57 amit confuses many people, that’s why a lot won’t use it. I can’t see why he would have an infringement, really we need to see a printout to help understand thatAmaraBesT wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:22 ampoa still scrambles my brain tbh so if the logic you say being correct I can't understand why he'd get an infringement. Very odd.chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:19 am
he has been at work for 8h45m but only working for 5h45m so doesn’t need a break. POA doesn’t count as working time
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
More like the software as been altered to require the break to be taken in the first 6 hrs ie company policy and as usual no one tells the drivers. I’d refuse to sign it if that’s the case.trewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
no it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
so why the infringement?AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
but it’s the working time directive, not the shift time directive!AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
well what is written there is total bollocks!!AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
If you think you can teach me anything about the wtd or drivers hours don’t bother!
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
you’re wasting your time there mate. I’ve told him on another comment that the text he has shared isn’t the correct wording and is likely to confuse, which it has done in his casePeteines wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:25 pmwell what is written there is total bollocks!!AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
If you think you can teach me anything about the wtd or drivers hours don’t bother!
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
oh dear, oh dear, he’s just told me he’s a driver trainerPeteines wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:23 pmbut it’s the working time directive, not the shift time directive!AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
that just about tops it off then, what hope do drivers have when the person training them is feeding them bullsh*t?!chare-jung wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:26 pmyou’re wasting your time there mate. I’ve told him on another comment that the text he has shared isn’t the correct wording and is likely to confuse, which it has done in his case
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Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
where you get that from ! It's wrong.AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
because he has done something wrong perhapstrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:21 pmso why the infringement?AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
You've made a right fool of yourself.AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
I see AbbNess has chosen a battle of the wits with you but he arrived unarmed.Peteines wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:25 pmwell what is written there is total bollocks!!AbbNess wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:01 pmno it won'ttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
If you think you can teach me anything about the wtd or drivers hours don’t bother!
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
poa also doesn't count as work either. This is clearly a fishing post and it's obviously exposed a lot of people with no idea what they are talking abouttrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
I’m so glad I’m out of this sh*t nowtrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
poa stops the clock but doesn't count as breaktrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
it is a break. If on POA you are available to work but on break.joemond wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:36 pmpoa stops the clock but doesn't count as breaktrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
Re: Sorry if a stupid question but I got an infringement for insufficient break I always thought that if you work 6 hour
its not a break its a period of availability it is not a break a break is rest poa is not restLindKino wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:36 pmit is a break. If on POA you are available to work but on break.joemond wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:36 pmpoa stops the clock but doesn't count as breaktrewayerJigg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:07 am POA doesn’t count as break. You worked 8:45 without a break is what the analysis software will think.
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