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You stated that you can do 6x15 in a week, which is incorrect. A split daily rest is a minimum of 12 hours rest, which only leaves a maximum of 12 hours duty. And just so you're aware, there is no mention of duty time in the regulations, only the length of time for a rest period. no idea if you're ...

We have them. They cannot access them or spy on us. There has to be a request to view footage, complaint, accident etc. They do check they are working, about 80 wagons a week where they will watch for a minute and them come out (unless they see the driver doing something they shouldn't). I was wary...

Woodser wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:03 pm

NiceNik wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:03 pm

Woodser wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:02 pm

Work what out, it’s simple maths!!
lucky DHL

yes. It is. Very simple. It’s got you stumped tho.

Retard

That's you, if you imagine you're right. 4 ON 4 OFF isn't 7 days, so it averages out to 42 hrs per week over a period of time.

Can’t believe the thick idiots on here think somebody physically watches all the time. AI programming just scans for whatever it’s programmed to look at. Don’t worry though as the compliance brigade keep droning on like a broken record, ‘if you’re not doing anything wrong, you’ve nothing to worry a...

dangry wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:28 pm

rustyShan wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:28 pm Here we go again get ready for the not having that ill get another job 9 invasion of privacy brigade

Here we go again, get ready for the if you’re not doing anything wrong, what are you worrying about brigade.

The "happy to have our rights eroded" horde... a mindless argument.

irrelevant, these are only used if you’re involved in an accident, you’ll find most offices have cameras fitted anyway. They aren’t watching you all day lot of crap you telling me companies don't use them to check what drivers are doing day to day ?? It like trackers fitted for Insurance purposes, ...

irrelevant, these are only used if you’re involved in an accident, you’ll find most offices have cameras fitted anyway. They aren’t watching you all day how is it irrelevant? I’d like the same access as the office,t/m has to the camera that is sat in my face oh and I’d expect it to be sat on their ...

do you pay to drive the lorry or do you get paid? Because I'm sure nobody gets paid to live in a flat 🤦🤦🤦 So it’s ok if you pay someone to watch them on camera. I did ask the company I work for to put one in my truck because of drivers smoking in cab. But I still don’t agree with them you don't agr...

sorry to say your wrong. The Ai Camera that is being used by a couple of the big firms scans you and takes your picture if you are out of the drive position for a certain amount of time, this is three seconds then fires that clip to your compliance department. So if your used to swigging a can of p...

My argument would be, can I have access to the camera in the office then? irrelevant, these are only used if you’re involved in an accident, you’ll find most offices have cameras fitted anyway. They aren’t watching you all day "these are only used if you’re involved in an accident" ... th...

I don't get it, do you really think someone is gonna sit and watch you 24hrs a day? And if your that desperate for a w**k cover it up! We are watched everywhere we go on cctv, if your doing nothing wrong then don't worry. But I promise the first time something happens and your proved to be innocent...

I don't get it, do you really think someone is gonna sit and watch you 24hrs a day? And if your that desperate for a w**k cover it up! We are watched everywhere we go on cctv, if your doing nothing wrong then don't worry. But I promise the first time something happens and your proved to be innocent...

Gelbo2418 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 2:02 pm We have these the cab cam only activates on harsh braking

Is that confirmed, or what they've told you?

only viewed in event of an accident, so that’s nonsense these have been viewed on many occasions and no accident involved 😡😡 any proof this company in question does that ? Or you just waffling "Create a Video Footage Policy One of the best ways to gain consent is to provide an official written...

only viewed in event of an accident, so that’s nonsense these have been viewed on many occasions and no accident involved 😡😡 any proof this company in question does that ? Or you just waffling "Using driver-facing dash cams requires compliance with current data and privacy protection laws. Thi...

As they are both at a give way you give way to the right so the Blue car has priority then its clear from the right the red car has to give way to the Blue car as the red car will be crossing its path. I thought that, but the red car is on the main carriageway. So doesn't that give them priority? n...

mc+ckrosy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:49 pm Hello. Has anyone ever made the move to Usa or Canada to drive trucks? What was the process like?

Just checked their regulations for driving/work hours, if anyone is easily confused by the UK ones... forget it.

I moved Canada 16yra ago on work visa. I had to stop with same company for 2yrs while arduous task of getting Permanent Resident. Once got that you can move jobs. Just very different work practices over here, you don't need breaks. Does that mean the company works you like a dog or you just take br...

Too ne honest your not going to get rich driving i can make the same on class 2 as i can on class 1 chances are you have grandfather rights on c1 just do your cpc and go earn. wont get grandfather rights he has never had licence, but if he wants to drive then go for it, a door always opens, sooner ...

Have your break just before you go into London then you have 4-5 hours to get in and out never think you be there in 5minutes Used to tip Lytag in London at some of the cement factories, sometimes they wanted you to wait to tip as the bins were still half full, but as 4pm in the afternoon rolled ar...

What does the infringement print out say ? don't worry when taking brakes have 16 minutes and 31mins or 46 to cover the taco head as some times the taco is out by seconds that's all . This was for one of the taco calibration specialists What the fuck is that all about 16 / 31 / 46 mins breaks? a br...

should have started break at 14:45 not 15:30.. explain your thinking… because I don’t see where you’re getting your figures from started work at 0830, 6 hour point for 30 minute break is 1430. Had 15 minute break 1000 to 1015. This moves 6 hour point to 1445, for another 15 minute break to be taken...

You are fully legal as you only need to show a 15 min break within 6 hours and can follow that by another 15 mins within 9 hours as you have to show at least a 30 min break before 9 hours if you only done 9 hours. 30 mins break is within legal regulations as long as driving time has not been exceed...

If you haven't reached enough driving hours meaning you need a break then yes that's fine. Because you haven't triggered anything in terms of EU driver hours, under WTD 9 hours of any duty time (driving and or working) requires 45 mins in total for the period worked 👍 no no no. Sorry bud but that's...

If you haven't reached enough driving hours meaning you need a break then yes that's fine. Because you haven't triggered anything in terms of EU driver hours, under WTD 9 hours of any duty time (driving and or working) requires 45 mins in total for the period worked 👍 no no no. Sorry bud but that's...

If you haven't reached enough driving hours meaning you need a break then yes that's fine. Because you haven't triggered anything in terms of EU driver hours, under WTD 9 hours of any duty time (driving and or working) requires 45 mins in total for the period worked 👍 Get on another CPC course.. wh...

if you read my post it states if working between 6 and 9 hours. I’ve not mentioned duty, I’ve not mentioned poa. Just work. dude you said " within 6 hours of starting your shift" like I said, may sound pedantic but it's a key difference. I could arrive at work at an rdc and my run may not...

I’m simplifying it but I did state if working, nothing about duty time. you said it needs to be taken within 6 hours of starting your shift bud. Might sound pedantic but it important if you read my post it states if working between 6 and 9 hours. I’ve not mentioned duty, I’ve not mentioned poa. Jus...

If working between 6 & 9 hours you need 30 minutes break which can be taken as 30 or 2x15 but the first has to be within 6 hours of starting your shift it needs to be taken before exceeding 6 hours of actual work. Duty time is irrelevant I’m simplifying it but I did state if working, nothing ab...

If working between 6 & 9 hours you need 30 minutes break which can be taken as 30 or 2x15 but the first has to be within 6 hours of starting your shift No it doesn't it, your first break can be bang on 6hrs... where do folk get this "within 6hrs" nonsense from (nowhere does it state t...

No I didn't gave wrong answer read it wrong like a few others did yes you did give a wrong answer. You can do 3×15 minute breaks for the wtd which is what the post is about.15 minutes then a 30 is just for driving time. Yes I know that and you only need to take 2 15 mins to make up the 30 mins for ...

It doesn't matter really if he is a current cpc holder he should know the answer himself end of i know the answer to wtd and driving time hours and break you know the answer yet gave a completely wrong answer 🤔 No I didn't gave wrong answer read it wrong like a few others did Whether you "read...

pheres1106 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:58 pm No you can't do that anymore the first break can be 15 mins second break no less than 30 mins

Who tells you this shit?
And why do you believe them?

1 + 44 = 45 but it still ain’t right 🤷‍♂️ yes because they have to be at least 15 but no maximum. Remember We are talking less than 4.5 hour drive time, if you were going to drive over 4.5 hours the last break would have to be at least 30 mins, but not for wtd I’d love to see your face when the DVS...

2386.melro wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:15 pm

Timefer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:14 pm

2386.melro wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:13 pm

nice

what you giving incorrect information out?

So you can do a 9 hr day with 3 x 15 really

YES... read the question and information provided. Your brain stuck on idle?

grahuent wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:34 am

SeaKhad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:24 am Can that salary even be achieved on that hourly rate?

nope

40 hours a week at 12.90 plus 20 hours at 14.46 will get you around 42k, that doesn't inc any bank holiday rate increases or nights out. So yes it's achievable on 60 hours paid average.

clearly don’t know what your talking about 🤣 you work 60 hours a week every week for 17-26 weeks then tell me how that’s legal many weeks I’m paid over 60 hours, perfectly legal providing you get enough POA on ya card 😂👍 POA, unless your company pays for you for breaks... if the latter, just set it...

60 hours a week is illegal so no you can’t clearly don’t know what your talking about 🤣 you work 60 hours a week every week for 17-26 weeks then tell me how that’s legal It entirely depends on how much POA is included during your weekly shift. You could have 60 hours per week with only 48 hours as ...

20:00 mate, he can add a 45 min break onto his working time for the day. I always do it. no you can't. He needs to start his rest at 1915. There's only 24 hours in a day and you need at least 9 hours rest. The 9hr rest needs to be complete by 0415 the next day. you're wrong mate He's not...

foxrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:49 pm

macPharos wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:48 pm

foxrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:45 pm

that's what the Internet said

you made that one up, nowhere does any of the rules mention a 20 minute break

Macpharos,

Do you work for the Dept of Health or a trucking firm?

ellingertoXP wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:40 pm I will argue that a fully working tacho is never wrong tbh

Define "fully working"?

It's only as good as the data entered in the settings... unless you set it up with the correct parameters, then it's as good as useless.

jasonsu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:38 pm Christ this is a minefield, so many people don’t understand wtd. Just go with the majority vote and hope it’s right

Or just go to the site and read the regs... they're not difficult to understand, despite evidence to the contrary on here.

Sign your infringement and move on ffs 👍 its not the end of the world I'd sign f*** all unless a) it was written in company policy or b) it violated the law.. If I'm not in the wrong I'm not signing anything or if I do I'll put a note/disclaimer on it pointing out their error. Sign it and move on.....

Guzazz wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:19 pm

Cool8eran wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:19 pm

FenWeekly wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:17 pm U need 30 min rest to cover WTD before 6 hours
15 min rest doesn't restart the WTD clock

Incorrect.

you are wrong

No, you are.

You cannot have the break at the end of your duty however. That is where the infringement would occur. Did you work after your break at 15:30? However some of the Mercs I drive come up with weird WTD alerts sometimes but when ever I download my card it doesn't come up as an infringement. I would ig...

Mate you need your cpc again, 6 hrs, 15 min break extends to 9 hrs, then you need another 15 break to work another 3 hours, but in meantime if you running out of driving hours, u need to take 30mins instead of the 2nd 15min a 15 minute break at 6 hour's gives you up another 6 hours it doesn't exten...

if your a professional driver then your bound by drivers wtd laws. So if for one day of the week your not on the road and in the factory then your STILL bound by drivers WTD law, which is what I originally said. You’ve lost me now, what does a factory have to do with this answer? either way try get...

attenSSubject wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:00 pm You need to have 30mins break to reset your 6hrs wtd so 15mins is not enough

Wrong.

Shauniv wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:28 pm Some of these responses have got to be a wind up?

The original poster has to be on a wind up. Nobody can be that thick, hard to tell though as he does stupid very convincingly.

so 15 hour shift with no break required if not more than 4.5 driving? never known anyone doing a straight through 15hr shift always had breaks somewhere along the line, the WTD, was just another additive to fine people for not taking a break when they want you to, control again at its best. We mana...

farrepo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:18 pm

thwell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:17 pm Shouldn't even be dealing with the WTD anymore in my opinion, it was a European load of crap to f@k up drivers, we not in eu now so should be scrapped

so 15 hour shift with no break required if not more than 4.5 driving?

He's hasn't really thought it through....

The rule is very very simple You CANNOT work for more than 6 hours without a 15m break. For example, if you were on hammers for 6 hours you MUST take a 15m break. If you've driven for 4.5hrs and you take your 45, that covers you for the wtd 6 hour rule. If I'm on hammers for 6 hrs, I'm looking for ...

15 minutes is a wtd break. Never work more than 6 hrs without a break. If you work between 6-9 hrs you must take a break / breaks totalling 30 minutes. If you work over 9 hrs you must take a break / breaks totalling 45 minutes. But remember NEVER work more than 6 hrs without taking a break wrong Yo...

I’ve had a license more than 20 years and I’m telling you your wrong. Again I’ve come from before digi and before wtd. I’m sure the soft ware folk are using is resetting it causing said infringements but it’s wrong. There is only 1 24 hour day and nothing resets till after daily rest period has bee...

harrill wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:42 pm How the f some of you lot have a licence is beyond me.

I suspect that none of them do tramping and ensure they get the maximum loads in per day... Easy shifts from depot to depot/shop/trailer drop/swap.

There's 2 parts to the wtd breaks. 1. The 6 hour rule you can't work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other w...

Stewer.Gibb wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:16 pm You can't work over 6hrs (5:59) without a break of at least 15 mins.

You can't work over 6hrs (6:00) without a break of at least 15 mins.

Are you on a wind up? Because the RT(WT)R is very clear and simple. Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required you need to read up on rules again. Don’t know where you get this “ first 6 hour from” He's absolutely convincing as stupid, despite the fact he's tr...

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I alw...

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I alw...

Cannot work for more than 6 hours without a break. A break should last a minimum of 15 minutes 30 minute break if working between 6 and 9 hours in total. After working for 6 hours a mobile worker must take a break of 15 minutes. However, if working between 6 and up to 9 hours in a shift a mobile wo...

that’s what I said 30 Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed this is legal 6 hours work 15 min break 6 hours work 15 min break 2h14min work 15 min break 1 min work then finish Me dad said don’t argue with idiots 🤣🤣we’ll j...

your not reading what I’ve put !! You cannot have more than one 15 mins break period. If only doing 9 hrs total it must be either 15 mins before 6 hrs or 30 mins before 6 hrs your not reading what everyone else is telling you. Wtd if doing 9 hrs total 2x15 will cover wtd Or if exceeded 9 hrs 3x 15 ...

tuTucardos wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:48 pm

harrill wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:47 pm

tuTucardos wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:46 pm You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

no it isn't 30 minutes.

that’s what I said 30
Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed

WTD is NOT subject to driving hours regs.

tuTucardos wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:46 pm You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

Wrong, totally.

Robsequ wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:43 pm Don't know why people have to confuse it. I get deducted a 45 so I take a 45 minute break after 6 hours and that resets everything

You're still required to take a break on or before the next 6hrs expires, if you are exceeding 12 hrs. So that doesn't work if you do a 12 hour 30 min work shift

nope. For working between 6-9 hours you need a 30 min break. only if your working time ends between 6-9 hours, otherwise no further breaks are required until you hit 12 hours working time or 4.5 hours driving. that’s right and he is working 6.5 hours so it falls between 6-9 hours. Also finishing sh...

it’s changed you must have 15mins break upto 6 hrs agreed ? You then could have another 15 mins before you hit 9 hrs well they changed it to 1/2 hr up to 6 hours no break is required.. don't need a second 15 by 9 hours or 30 min either if working longer than that. I'm amazed at how many cannot gras...

not for wtd it doesn’t. it’s changed you must have 15mins break upto 6 hrs agreed ? You then could have another 15 mins before you hit 9 hrs well they changed it to 1/2 hr up to 6 hours no break is required.. don't need a second 15 by 9 hours or 30 min either if working longer than that. I'm amazed...

I’m not arguing but on a typical full days work your second break has to be 1/2 hour not for wtd it doesn’t. it’s changed you must have 15mins break upto 6 hrs agreed ? You then could have another 15 mins before you hit 9 hrs well they changed it to 1/2 hr No, that's not what it says at all. There ...

,, thanks just proved my point . Look at where it says “ working between 6-9 TOTAL I know where your coming from what lgv1 drivers job only does 9 hrs total day it’s a grey area. Your second break cannot be 15 mins anymore that’s all I’m saying You are mixing up DRIVING HOUR regulations v WTD regul...

no it’s not. Only required to have 30 between 6-9 if that’s his total working time. ,, thanks just proved my point . Look at where it says “ working between 6-9 TOTAL But the original poster is not working BETWEEN 6-9 hours total, that is not his TOTAL working time... it's 12hrs 30mins according to...

chuyear45 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:31 pm

Jrba wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:31 pm

CoullsTwo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:30 pm

no, 15 first then a 30

that's tacho regs, not WTD.

gotta love the good old imaginary 9 hour rule

It's not imaginary if you work between 6 and 9hrs in total... you need 30 mins worth of breaks either 2 x 15 or one 30 min,

start at 6am. Have your break at 1145 (because real world no one works all the way to the limit) if you have your 2nd break at 1800 "because 6 hours is 6 hours" you have an infringement. There is a 9 hour rule, it's right there on the screen shot, directly from a government pdf.... 6 hour...

the last part of that doesn't make any sense at all. 6 hours work is 6 hours work, whether you do that in 6 hours or 12, it's still 6 hours work. And if he knew his total working time was going to exceed 9 hours then he doesn't need to take a second break before 9 hours, because there is no 9 hour ...