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richielte

As an internal TM, you've not much chance of a start. You could take on a couple of owner operators as an ETM, but the problem is you've no experience of what to do as the course doesn't/exams don't really teach you how to do the role. As a ETM and being green, you are prone to being used and ...

richielte

If the vehicle is under 25 years old and over 7.5T then a tachograph must be used at all times.
The vehicles used has nothing to do with it!
The only way round the situation is if you could get the horsebox classified as a motorhome, as motorhomes over 7.5T do not need to use a tachograph.
Even with ...

richielte

You either get your current TM qualified, or you employ a ETM, it's that's simple.
It doesn't matter how many years they've been in a transport management role, if they have got TM CPC, they aren't allowed on an O licence!

richielte

Which membership?
Operator or Transport Manager membership

richielte

they not have to do any of them… The rules of dismissal are simple… he was on a warning, then dismissed.
They legaly sacked him, that’s his the employment tribunal will look at it.
It happen to me, wasted so much time taking them to court for unfair dismissal… court said “you were dismissed ...

richielte

What's the induction procedure and is a driver assessment carried out on the initial start and maybe yearly?
Was training given after the first incident?
I suspect there maybe holes in the company's policies and procedures, so I'd dig a little deeper if the above don't or didn't happen!

richielte

100% won’t win any case against them. They followed the rules and dismissed him.
Wasting his time trying to take them for unfair dismissal as won’t win.
IF he does take them the employment tribunal will take ages and rule in favour of the company as they did nothing wrong.
Yes it may seam ...

richielte

100% won’t win any case against them. They followed the rules and dismissed him.
Wasting his time trying to take them for unfair dismissal as won’t win.
IF he does take them the employment tribunal will take ages and rule in favour of the company as they did nothing wrong.
Yes it may seam harsh ...

richielte

that’s what I am looking for Richielte the guidelines, but cannot for the life of find any on eyesight checking 👍

I'm sure it's in the ROSPA guidelines (The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents)!

it’s a FORS standard there is nothing that states when. Opticians recommend every ...

richielte

As stated, the guidelines say every 6 months, but the guidelines are not aimed specifically at vocational drivers, so i always stipulate every 3 months!
The TC's seem to be happy with 3 monthly as well!

that’s what I am looking for Richielte the guidelines, but cannot for the life of find any ...

richielte

As stated, the guidelines say every 6 months, but the guidelines are not aimed specifically at vocational drivers, so i always stipulate every 3 months!
The TC's seem to be happy with 3 monthly as well!

richielte

You haven't given details of the size of the business, so we don't know whether you have a designated HR member of staff/department?
You say he's had training and he's still pleasing himself, so the next step is to follow the company's disciplinary process.
You say you've asked him to be removed ...

richielte

Morector wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:24 pm I always say this in this forum pass CPC does not mean U know wat U doing,

After reading some of the comments on this post, I'm beginning to wonder how many are actually qualified

richielte

I won't repeat the steps other people have mentioned above. The only thing I will add is you should have the freedom to manage and control the operation that you're responsible for. This includes dismissing drivers if necessary.
My concern would be if you write to the TC outlining what has ...

richielte

I won't repeat the steps other people have mentioned above. The only thing I will add is you should have the freedom to manage and control the operation that you're responsible for. This includes dismissing drivers if necessary.
My concern would be if you write to the TC outlining what has ...

richielte

Your the TM it’s your name on the O licence 🤷‍♂️ do YOU Have full and effective control……

You don't have control, as you can't control the actions of others, only your own!
Check the Statutory Documents and you will see the words are "Effective Management".

I know what it says… Control ...

richielte

shelteo2830 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:56 pm Your the TM it’s your name on the O licence do YOU Have full and effective control……

You don't have control, as you can't control the actions of others, only your own!
Check the Statutory Documents and you will see the words are "Effective Management".

richielte

Impossible to get a job. You already know to much

How does he know too much?
I'm really interested to know 🤔

because as an experienced driver a lot of us don’t get a shot as a tm however should you be a graduate or fresh from college and don’t know a 5th wheel from a steering wheel boom ...

richielte

Leeland wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:18 pm Impossible to get a job. You already know to much

How does he know too much?
I'm really interested to know

richielte

As Cliffenmak has said, forget 90% of what you've learnt as a driver. You need a lot of varied skills and experience to be a good TM, and that can takes a lot of time to acheive, but if you haven't got the right mindset, then it's a non-starter as well.
It's not an easy road to get started on ...

richielte

As Cliffenmak has said, forget 90% of what you've learnt as a driver. You need a lot of varied skills and experience to be a good TM, and that can takes a lot of time to acheive, but if you haven't got the right mindset, then it's a non-starter as well.
It's not an easy road to get started on, but ...

richielte

Put card in chip facing up let it load your name then press enter , enter, enter,enter then press arrow down twice . It will tell you how much driving time you have left .. nice and simple

richielte

Don’t be upset because charge more than the average.

There is no average 🤷🏼‍♂️
I'm not upset as I have no issue getting work with my rates, but all you're doing by using the term "going/average" is bringing down rates and standards!
This is exactly what a lot of hauliers have done over ...

richielte

450 for one truck is the normal going rate

There is no going rate 🤷🏼‍♂️
If you pay your TM £450 p/m, that is your business, but please don't dictate that is a going rate!

Don’t be upset because charge more than the average.

There is no average 🤷🏼‍♂️
I'm not upset as I have no issue ...

richielte

albygger wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:23 pm 450 for one truck is the normal going rate

There is no going rate

If you pay your TM £450 p/m, that is your business, but please don't dictate that is a going rate!

richielte

Jksheesp wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:16 pm
richielte wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:15 pm Not again, ffs
I thought by not being in a certain group I had missed out on all this

It's becoming a daily occurrence, mate

Do they not how to use the search button and spare us all the pain

richielte

jockeyJolly wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:15 pm
richielte wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:15 pm Not again, ffs
seems some people don’t know their own worth

A lot don't

richielte

Not again, ffs

richielte

Social media isn't the place to ask regarding a matter like this, but I can assure you this is not a falsification of records and more of a mistake on your part.
The company should have just highlighted the issue to you and booked you some training and then see how you got on after the training ...

richielte

melixir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:07 pmWhy?

We know

richielte

You won't be a remote TM 🤷🏼‍♂️ you will be an external TM, and are expected to visit your clients and have "Continuous and Effective Management of the Transport Operations".
It's not an easy road and it will take time to find clients that are worthy, but it can be very rewarding.
Rates are not set ...

richielte

You can do certain things remotely, but you will need to visit the operating centre on a regular basis. Whether that is twice weekly, weekly, fortnightly, or whatever, it's up to you and the operator to decide what suits you all and the operation

richielte

it doesn’t state it anywhere. I have been told by the TCs office that they want at least two visits a week planned into my weekly schedule. This was on an application 3 years ago.

Well, that is your situation and the OTC may have had good reason to say you need to visit twice weekly, but ...

richielte

The TC wants you to visit a site at least twice a week

Please tell me where it states this misinformation 🤷🏼‍♂️

it doesn’t state it anywhere. I have been told by the TCs office that they want at least two visits a week planned into my weekly schedule. This was on an application 3 years ...

richielte

Samadow wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:18 pm The TC wants you to visit a site at least twice a week

Please tell me where it states this misinformation

richielte

I would say, depending on the severity, I had a wagon offthe road waiting for a body panel, nothing else. If it had been involved in a RTA and needed rebuilding, then I would say absolutely yes.

That is what I've said above!

foolish not too but notbing in black and white that we have ...

richielte

No, it does not require a PMI as it's only been VOR for a week and is back on the road before it's next PMI is due.
But, as its been involved in an RTC and then repaired, you would be quite foolish not to have a PMI carried out before it went back into service!

I would say, depending on the ...

richielte

No, it does not require a PMI as it's only been VOR for a week and is back on the road before it's next PMI is due.
But, as its been involved in an RTC and then repaired, you would be quite foolish not to have a PMI carried out before it went back into service!

so it doesn't have to have one ...

richielte

No, it does not require a PMI as it's only been VOR for a week and is back on the road before it's next PMI is due.
But, as its been involved in an RTC and then repaired, you would be quite foolish not to have a PMI carried out before it went back into service!

richielte

Have a driver WhatsApp group!
Each morning they do their daily check, fully complete the check sheet, and then take a photo and post it in the group.
Keep the group clean, so no general chat chat, just use it for daily checks, defects, relaying a group message, etc.
You can then see immediately ...

richielte

The DCPC is ultimately your responsibility to keep up to date, but the TC does expect the operator to play a role in the trainings and make sure it suit the operation.
With that in mind, it really puts the onus on the operator to pay for the training, but the TC wouldn't expect an operator to cover ...

richielte

I would be more concerned that you have had to buy your own straps, defect book and Tacho rolls!!’n

Many years ago when I was driving on the agencies, I'd take my own straps, check book, and tacho rolls, but nowadays I definitely wouldn't expect to do it if I drove for any company ...

richielte

The only difference between a restricted and standard licence is the fact you don't need a "Qualified TM for a restricted licence, but you MUST have a "Competent person!
That competent person does not need to be qualified, but they need to be nearly as knowledgeable as an experienced TM ...

richielte

for clarity, I’m the most knowledgeable person in this company I’ve joined about transport. They have a restricted o license, no TM, and they’re Turkish - don’t speak great English. I’ve bought my own straps, defect book and tacho rolls, and pretty much monitor my own behaviour and ...

richielte

Has forgot more than I will ever know

Thanks. I don't know everything as no one does. We all know and especially in this industry that every single day is a school day 🙈🤣
But, as you probably also know, I only carry on in a thread if I know I'm a 100% correct, unlike a lot that comment ...

richielte

You've answered your question!
You've stated, "They are importing and then delivering, so they are delivering their own goods 🤷🏼‍♂️

It's ok. Gigang's got it 😁

Has forgot more than I will ever know

Thanks. I don't know everything as no one does. We all know and especially in this ...

richielte

ah. You might have answered the question. Yes, they’re selling the stock, so, technically, it’s theirs. Your company do this?

Yes

They are delivering stuff that they have imported, to shops. Actually, not shops - more warehouses. It’s kinda their own, but it’s not. I’ve looked up ‘grey ...

richielte

DVSA will not impound a vehicle or fine a driver for not displaying an OL disc.
It's a very minor issue as DVSA can just go on their system and check the progress of any issues relating to the OL or OL disc.
As for a Restricted/Standard Licence, that is again of no concern or consequence to ...

richielte

Well, that's your first response that has addressed the question, so thx for that. Appreciated. It still doesn't tell me, though, if they are allowed to have the vehicle on the road without the disc. I've heard it both ways, but am a little reassured by some people here who have said that ...

richielte

tbh thx for ya help, but, you're answering a different question from the one I asked. 'Not my problem' has never been my approach. Furthermore, this could well become a problem for me if you're wrong. I'm not convinced. I like this company, and am prepared to help them any way I can. If they ...

richielte

I would have thought it would invalidate insurance, if it's because the vehicle is not actually approved/registered/whatever, and the consequences of that might be of great concern to me, as the driver. Like, might the vehicle just be stopped and impounded and I'm left to make my own way ...

richielte

it is in some places and a lot of the Apps for daily walk rounds have it included.
If there was no O licence I the window, I would be checking that it is insured.

You may ask as a driver, but again, it's not the drivers concerned 🤷🏼‍♂️

you are totally incorrect regarding insurance ...

richielte

Exactly. If it had bald tyres, they'd expect me to refuse to drive it. This not the same?

A mission OL disc can't be compared to bald tyres 🤦
Does a missing OL disc affect roadworthiness?
No it doesn't?
Does the driver defect a broken radio? No, they don't. They just report the fact it ...

richielte

usually part of daily walk round checks now that o licence is displayed in window

It isn't usually part of a daily walk around check, but "best practice" is to incorporate certain items like an OL disc, but does the GTMR state you have to check the OL disc?
No, it's doesn't!
As I've said ...

richielte

You're a driver, so why are you so concerned?
It's not your problem and if you're pulled at roadside the DVSA also know it's not you're concern 🤷🏼‍♂️
The DVSA will contact the operator if they have an issue!

usually part of daily walk round checks now that o licence is displayed in window ...

richielte

You're a driver, so why are you so concerned?
It's not your problem and if you're pulled at roadside the DVSA also know it's not you're concern 🤷🏼‍♂️
The DVSA will contact the operator if they have an issue!

usually part of daily walk round checks now that o licence is displayed in window ...

richielte

You're a driver, so why are you so concerned?
It's not your problem and if you're pulled at roadside the DVSA also know it's not you're concern

The DVSA will contact the operator if they have an issue!

richielte

The most logical approach would be to start with some driver training, I'd have thought.
Then you coukd start a bonus scheme based on fuel usage 🤷🏼‍♂️
P.s. I take it that you don't hold an HGV licence/or have never driven an HGV in a role as a driver?

I do hold HGV licence and I also have 7 ...

richielte

The most logical approach would be to start with some driver training, I'd have thought.
Then you coukd start a bonus scheme based on fuel usage

P.s. I take it that you don't hold an HGV licence/or have never driven an HGV in a role as a driver?

richielte

jockeyJolly wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:16 pm
richielte wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:16 pm I do hope that some of you that are commenting and giving p*ss poor advice are NOT qualified TM's
God give me strength
jeez I give up

It like a like comedy show

It's better than TV for the entertainment value

richielte

I do hope that some of you that are commenting and giving p*ss poor advice are NOT qualified TM's

God give me strength

richielte

If he has a vocational licence, or drives any vehicle that is linked to the O licence, then yes!

richielte

To be a good TM you need a moral compass, and also as part of your role, it is upto you to make sure the company is compliant in every sense.
Tell the driver to call ACAS immediately and also inform the driver not to leave the company without an official letter stating his employment will be ...

richielte

With respect have you thought about laser treatment and is it possible to do for you ?

looking at options tomorrow

Lense replacement treatment is probably a better option as laser treatment isn't as effective as you get older.
I got told at 50 not to have laser treatment and go for LRT. I ...

richielte

Some operators will continue to use self-employed drivers as a lot are just ignorant and don't understand the implications, but some are just arrogant and don't think it applies to them.
Don't put yourself in their position unless you can afford to potentially lose your operator licence

richielte

You are not setting a president in the company as this is "exceptional circumstances"!
Pay him all his hours on Friday + a night out allowance, and if he only works 3 hours on the Saturday, then pay him for a basic shift (say 8/9 hours🤷🏼‍♂️) as he's put himself out to help the company.
It will pay ...

richielte

But as ETM full time or part time you need to make sure that rules are implemented and respected

all I do is ETM work, and I could never earn a living at £350 a month, could end up with 4 Operators and only £1400 😞😞

As an ETM you have the option of working with up to 50 vehicles. If ...

richielte

cheers. Where do you see it?

There is no general rate, but the 🤡🤡 will work for the £450+£100 all day long 🤷🏼‍♂️🤣😂😂

I think that’s an incredibly disrespectful comment you’ve made.
There are plenty of great Transport Managers out there who charge £450 + £100 and to label them as clowns ...

richielte

gollwant39 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:44 pm
pligwort wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:43 pm
gollwant39 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:43 pm

general rate seems to be the £450.00
We are beyond that now. That was 2 to 3 years ago. Fairly serious inflation since then.
cheers. Where do you see it?

There is no general rate, but the

will work for the £450+£100 all day long

richielte

mcIdol wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:08 pm There is no requirement to list trailers on your licence.

As McIdol has said

richielte

thaconymy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 11:29 pm
richielte wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 11:29 pm Every five years is the minimum requirement!
I do one every two to three years as well as plenty of other CPD
is this law

No, but if the TC says you do one every five years, you do it.
I also don't see why anyone wouldn't do one at least once every five years

richielte

Every five years is the minimum requirement!
I do one every two to three years as well as plenty of other CPD

richielte

Know your worth. £450-£500 + £100 per truck is standard. But don’t take the piss with your operator and make sure you put in the hours.

Their is no "Standard" rate. As much as some agents will dictate a standard/industry standard rate, there is no such rate and anyone that thinks there is ...

richielte

I can't comment on your current operator as they may be a doddle to look after and the rate you are charging, maybe is sufficient for you, but in most cases, you'd be undercharging!
Depending on how you work, your experience, and the area you're based in, you probably need to up your rates.
I ...

richielte

i know ive been in front of him twice in Golborne , the welshman i found him yes firm but fair..
I live near there well St Helens so yes i can say ive met him..
Yes Beverley Bell was before him never met her heard the storys, she does CPC training herself now

I think Beverley finished ...

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