Right here goes hopefully a quick 1 on wtd. Do you need second 15 break for next 6 n half. I would say not but my

[durianOssia]

Tom explained it the best, just do 30m breaks.

[Robsequ]

Don't know why people have to confuse it. I get deducted a 45 so I take a 45 minute break after 6 hours and that resets everything

[li1enrovi]

Don't know why people have to confuse it. I get deducted a 45 so I take a 45 minute break after 6 hours and that resets everything

exactly, we have deducted 1hr, so depends on time on shift (could be 15hrs), 2x30 or 15, 30, 15

[harrill]

You can't work more than 6 hours without a break of at least 15 minutes.

[tuTucardos]

You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

[harrill]

You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

no it isn't 30 minutes.

[jeandspo]

You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

no it isn't 30 minutes.

it’s going to be a difficult one explaining it to this one. Buried his head in the sand

[tuTucardos]

You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

no it isn't 30 minutes.

that’s what I said 30
Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed

[tuTucardos]

You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

no it isn't 30 minutes.

it’s going to be a difficult one explaining it to this one. Buried his head in the sand

your not reading what I’ve put !! You cannot have more than one 15 mins break period. If only doing 9 hrs total it must be either 15 mins before 6 hrs or 30 mins before 6 hrs

[jeandspo]

no it isn't 30 minutes.

it’s going to be a difficult one explaining it to this one. Buried his head in the sand

your not reading what I’ve put !! You cannot have more than one 15 mins break period. If only doing 9 hrs total it must be either 15 mins before 6 hrs or 30 mins before 6 hrs

your not reading what everyone else is telling you.
Wtd if doing 9 hrs total 2x15 will cover wtd
Or if exceeded 9 hrs 3x 15 wtd

[tuTucardos]

it’s going to be a difficult one explaining it to this one. Buried his head in the sand

your not reading what I’ve put !! You cannot have more than one 15 mins break period. If only doing 9 hrs total it must be either 15 mins before 6 hrs or 30 mins before 6 hrs

your not reading what everyone else is telling you.
Wtd if doing 9 hrs total 2x15 will cover wtd
Or if exceeded 9 hrs 3x 15 wtd

absolutely wrong you need to do your homework mate check with vosa

[jeandspo]

your not reading what I’ve put !! You cannot have more than one 15 mins break period. If only doing 9 hrs total it must be either 15 mins before 6 hrs or 30 mins before 6 hrs

your not reading what everyone else is telling you.
Wtd if doing 9 hrs total 2x15 will cover wtd
Or if exceeded 9 hrs 3x 15 wtd

absolutely wrong you need to do your homework mate check with vosa

read @ Farrepo comment on wtd then come back to me.
Incidentally vosa haven’t existed for a long time now you may possibly mean dvsa?

[jeandspo]

You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

no it isn't 30 minutes.

another driver who’s going to humiliate himself

[jeandspo]

your not reading what I’ve put !! You cannot have more than one 15 mins break period. If only doing 9 hrs total it must be either 15 mins before 6 hrs or 30 mins before 6 hrs

your not reading what everyone else is telling you.
Wtd if doing 9 hrs total 2x15 will cover wtd
Or if exceeded 9 hrs 3x 15 wtd

absolutely wrong you need to do your homework mate check with vosa

looks like Tucardos has gone rather quiet

[harrill]

You now can only have the 1st break 15 mins upto 6 hrs next break must be 1/2 hr

no it isn't 30 minutes.

that’s what I said 30
Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed

this is legal
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

[tuTucardos]

no it isn't 30 minutes.

that’s what I said 30
Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed

this is legal
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

Me dad said don’t argue with idiots we’ll just spoke to me transport manager and says the 3x15mins breaks are finished. I’ve looked on the web none seems to be updated with the latest rules so it agrees with you lot. Mates of mine works at air products you cannot on a regular basis have infringements he agrees with me. Then other mates agree with you lot I never get infringements so I’m sticking to my rulessee you guys later

[harrill]

that’s what I said 30
Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed

this is legal
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

Me dad said don’t argue with idiots we’ll just spoke to me transport manager and says the 3x15mins breaks are finished. I’ve looked on the web none seems to be updated with the latest rules so it agrees with you lot. Mates of mine works at air products you cannot on a regular basis have infringements he agrees with me. Then other mates agree with you lot I never get infringements so I’m sticking to my rulessee you guys later

your manager and you are thick I'm afraid.

[jeandspo]

that’s what I said 30
Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed

this is legal
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

Me dad said don’t argue with idiots we’ll just spoke to me transport manager and says the 3x15mins breaks are finished. I’ve looked on the web none seems to be updated with the latest rules so it agrees with you lot. Mates of mine works at air products you cannot on a regular basis have infringements he agrees with me. Then other mates agree with you lot I never get infringements so I’m sticking to my rulessee you guys later

you won’t get infringements for taking to much break. You do appear to be confusing wtd with driving breaks I suspect

[tuTucardos]

this is legal
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

Me dad said don’t argue with idiots we’ll just spoke to me transport manager and says the 3x15mins breaks are finished. I’ve looked on the web none seems to be updated with the latest rules so it agrees with you lot. Mates of mine works at air products you cannot on a regular basis have infringements he agrees with me. Then other mates agree with you lot I never get infringements so I’m sticking to my rulessee you guys later

you won’t get infringements for taking to much break. You do appear to be confusing wtd with driving breaks I suspect

no your the thick one I’m getting twice the breaks your getting

[harrill]

that’s what I said 30
Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed

this is legal
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

Me dad said don’t argue with idiots we’ll just spoke to me transport manager and says the 3x15mins breaks are finished. I’ve looked on the web none seems to be updated with the latest rules so it agrees with you lot. Mates of mine works at air products you cannot on a regular basis have infringements he agrees with me. Then other mates agree with you lot I never get infringements so I’m sticking to my rulessee you guys later

you definitely are thick if you can't understand that you are wrong and refuse to believe it.

[harrill]

that’s what I said 30
Mins. You are only allowed one 15 mins break that can only be your 1st break the rest must be at least 30mins agreed

this is legal
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

Me dad said don’t argue with idiots we’ll just spoke to me transport manager and says the 3x15mins breaks are finished. I’ve looked on the web none seems to be updated with the latest rules so it agrees with you lot. Mates of mine works at air products you cannot on a regular basis have infringements he agrees with me. Then other mates agree with you lot I never get infringements so I’m sticking to my rulessee you guys later

**you're ** not your.

[GliGarlance]

Cannot work for more than 6 hours without a break. A break should last a minimum of 15 minutes
30 minute break if working between 6 and 9 hours in total.
After working for 6 hours a mobile worker must take a break of 15 minutes. However, if working between 6 and up to 9 hours in a shift a mobile worker must take a break totalling a minimum of 30 minutes, this can be made up of two breaks of 15 minutes.
45 minute break if working more than 9 hours in total. If a shift contains more than 9 hours of working time a break period totalling 45 minutes is required.

[Shauniv]

Cannot work for more than 6 hours without a break. A break should last a minimum of 15 minutes
30 minute break if working between 6 and 9 hours in total.
After working for 6 hours a mobile worker must take a break of 15 minutes. However, if working between 6 and up to 9 hours in a shift a mobile worker must take a break totalling a minimum of 30 minutes, this can be made up of two breaks of 15 minutes.
45 minute break if working more than 9 hours in total. If a shift contains more than 9 hours of working time a break period totalling 45 minutes is required.

So you've answered your own question... Cannot work more than 6 hours without a break. What's hard to understand? Should have taken a break in the afternoon as you worked over 6 hours

[GliGarlance]

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I always do manual enter till time I walk out gate.

[harrill]

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I always do manual enter till time I walk out gate.

even if you take a 45 minute break in the day you still need a 15 minute again if you work another 6 hours.

[GliGarlance]

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I always do manual enter till time I walk out gate.

even if you take a 45 minute break in the day you still need a 15 minute again if you work another 6 hours.

there is no rule I can find for second 6 hour break. It’s like everything’s Tacho related 24 hour day. I’m not causing a argument I’ve been using Tacho for over 20 years and I’m fairly up on rules but this 1 got me big time. I honestly don’t think it resets after 9 hours over break in 24 hour period. It’s 45 min break for full 24 hour period. It can’t work other wise. 15 hour days would be spent mostly on break ha ha.

[harrill]

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I always do manual enter till time I walk out gate.

even if you take a 45 minute break in the day you still need a 15 minute again if you work another 6 hours.

there is no rule I can find for second 6 hour break. It’s like everything’s Tacho related 24 hour day. I’m not causing a argument I’ve been using Tacho for over 20 years and I’m fairly up on rules but this 1 got me big time. I honestly don’t think it resets after 9 hours over break in 24 hour period. It’s 45 min break for full 24 hour period. It can’t work other wise. 15 hour days would be spent mostly on break ha ha.

the rules say can't work more than 6 hours without a break

[GliGarlance]

even if you take a 45 minute break in the day you still need a 15 minute again if you work another 6 hours.

there is no rule I can find for second 6 hour break. It’s like everything’s Tacho related 24 hour day. I’m not causing a argument I’ve been using Tacho for over 20 years and I’m fairly up on rules but this 1 got me big time. I honestly don’t think it resets after 9 hours over break in 24 hour period. It’s 45 min break for full 24 hour period. It can’t work other wise. 15 hour days would be spent mostly on break ha ha.

the rules say can't work more than 6 hours without a break

ye but only the first 6 hour in a 24 hour period.

[harrill]

there is no rule I can find for second 6 hour break. It’s like everything’s Tacho related 24 hour day. I’m not causing a argument I’ve been using Tacho for over 20 years and I’m fairly up on rules but this 1 got me big time. I honestly don’t think it resets after 9 hours over break in 24 hour period. It’s 45 min break for full 24 hour period. It can’t work other wise. 15 hour days would be spent mostly on break ha ha.

the rules say can't work more than 6 hours without a break

ye but only the first 6 hour in a 24 hour period.

Are you on a wind up? Because the RT(WT)R is very clear and simple.

[GliGarlance]

the rules say can't work more than 6 hours without a break

ye but only the first 6 hour in a 24 hour period.

Are you on a wind up? Because the RT(WT)R is very clear and simple.

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

[harrill]

ye but only the first 6 hour in a 24 hour period.

Are you on a wind up? Because the RT(WT)R is very clear and simple.

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

this is legal for the wtd
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

[jeandspo]

ye but only the first 6 hour in a 24 hour period.

Are you on a wind up? Because the RT(WT)R is very clear and simple.

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

you need to read up on rules again.
Don’t know where you get this “ first 6 hour from”

[GliGarlance]

Are you on a wind up? Because the RT(WT)R is very clear and simple.

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

you need to read up on rules again.
Don’t know where you get this “ first 6 hour from”

45 minute break if working more than 9 hours in total. If a shift contains more than 9 hours of working time a break period totalling 45 minutes is required.

[GliGarlance]

Are you on a wind up? Because the RT(WT)R is very clear and simple.

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

you need to read up on rules again.
Don’t know where you get this “ first 6 hour from”

it’s there in plain English. Over 9 hours 45 min. That is over the 24 hour period.

[jeandspo]

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

you need to read up on rules again.
Don’t know where you get this “ first 6 hour from”

45 minute break if working more than 9 hours in total. If a shift contains more than 9 hours of working time a break period totalling 45 minutes is required.

refer to “ no
Second 6 hr rule” . Please explain

[jeandspo]

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

you need to read up on rules again.
Don’t know where you get this “ first 6 hour from”

it’s there in plain English. Over 9 hours 45 min. That is over the 24 hour period.

does this help? Please explain

[GliGarlance]

you need to read up on rules again.
Don’t know where you get this “ first 6 hour from”

it’s there in plain English. Over 9 hours 45 min. That is over the 24 hour period.

does this help? Please explain

the 6 hour rule is for the first 6 hour in a 24 hour day. After that it moves 30 min up to 9 hours and 45 for over 9. It’s 1 set of wtd rules for a day. So the first 6 hours then up to 9 then over 9. 3 rules 3 different times reaching a maximum of 45. You can work 8 or 9 hours after 45 min and no infringement stupid but true. Why have a rule saying 45 min for over 9.

[tuTucardos]

Are you on a wind up? Because the RT(WT)R is very clear and simple.

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

this is legal for the wtd
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

you can only have one 15mins break all the others minimum 30 mins no matter what you do

[lawbenFor]

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I always do manual enter till time I walk out gate.

I understand it’s Friday but I might suggest that step back from the keyboard.
Let’s use an official source shall we. Let’s go with DVSAs own publication, referred to as GV262.
It can be found here…
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou ... time-rules
I have also attached a screenshot of the relevant section that you to have got confused over.
breaks:
-mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break
-if working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes
-if working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes
- breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration
At no point does the governing body reference “first six hours.” At no point is there a mention of “shift time” as this refers explicitly to working time.
So let’s go through this.
Bullet point one
“breaks:
mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break”
This is an instruction. It tell you what you must not do. This therefore is the golden rule when it comes to WTD.
Bullet point four
“breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration”
This settles the stupid old age debate of 15/30mins requirement. As it expressly states a break is of minimum 15 minute duration. Once this break is completed then it would result in a reset of rule one (if required).
Bullets points two and three…
“if working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes
if working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes”
Please note the use of the word “total” here. It does not reference accumulate, it states TOTAL.
Therefore your working time TOTAL for the duty period in question can not be under six hours/between six and nine/ and over nine hours, again, in TOTAL within the same duty period.
Therefore if you are exceeding six hours of total working time then only one of this two points with come into play. The other will simply not apply.

[harrill]

Yes it is very clear I agree. 45 min break for any shift over 9 hours is required

this is legal for the wtd
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

you can only have one 15mins break all the others minimum 30 mins no matter what you do

you're making yourself look very silly now.

[jeandspo]

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I always do manual enter till time I walk out gate.

I understand it’s Friday but I might suggest that step back from the keyboard.
Let’s use an official source shall we. Let’s go with DVSAs own publication, referred to as GV262.
It can be found here…
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou ... time-rules
I have also attached a screenshot of the relevant section that you to have got confused over.
breaks:
-mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break
-if working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes
-if working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes
- breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration
At no point does the governing body reference “first six hours.” At no point is there a mention of “shift time” as this refers explicitly to working time.
So let’s go through this.
Bullet point one
“breaks:
mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break”
This is an instruction. It tell you what you must not do. This therefore is the golden rule when it comes to WTD.
Bullet point four
“breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration”
This settles the stupid old age debate of 15/30mins requirement. As it expressly states a break is of minimum 15 minute duration. Once this break is completed then it would result in a reset of rule one (if required).
Bullets points two and three…
“if working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes
if working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes”
Please note the use of the word “total” here. It does not reference accumulate, it states TOTAL.
Therefore your working time TOTAL for the duty period in question can not be under six hours/between six and nine/ and over nine hours, again, in TOTAL within the same duty period.
Therefore if you are exceeding six hours of total working time then only one of this two points with come into play. The other will simply not apply.

good luck he’s buried his head in the sand

[lawbenFor]

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I always do manual enter till time I walk out gate.

I understand it’s Friday but I might suggest that step back from the keyboard.
Let’s use an official source shall we. Let’s go with DVSAs own publication, referred to as GV262.
It can be found here…
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou ... time-rules
I have also attached a screenshot of the relevant section that you to have got confused over.
breaks:
-mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break
-if working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes
-if working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes
- breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration
At no point does the governing body reference “first six hours.” At no point is there a mention of “shift time” as this refers explicitly to working time.
So let’s go through this.
Bullet point one
“breaks:
mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break”
This is an instruction. It tell you what you must not do. This therefore is the golden rule when it comes to WTD.
Bullet point four
“breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration”
This settles the stupid old age debate of 15/30mins requirement. As it expressly states a break is of minimum 15 minute duration. Once this break is completed then it would result in a reset of rule one (if required).
Bullets points two and three…
“if working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes
if working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes”
Please note the use of the word “total” here. It does not reference accumulate, it states TOTAL.
Therefore your working time TOTAL for the duty period in question can not be under six hours/between six and nine/ and over nine hours, again, in TOTAL within the same duty period.
Therefore if you are exceeding six hours of total working time then only one of this two points with come into play. The other will simply not apply.

good luck he’s buried his head in the sand

either that or it’s a plain old fishing trip

[jeandspo]

it’s there in plain English. Over 9 hours 45 min. That is over the 24 hour period.

does this help? Please explain

the 6 hour rule is for the first 6 hour in a 24 hour day. After that it moves 30 min up to 9 hours and 45 for over 9. It’s 1 set of wtd rules for a day. So the first 6 hours then up to 9 then over 9. 3 rules 3 different times reaching a maximum of 45. You can work 8 or 9 hours after 45 min and no infringement stupid but true. Why have a rule saying 45 min for over 9.

you’re being silly now. Read Farrepo comment on wtd then come back to me. Somehow I don’t think you will ever get it

[jeandspo]

this is legal for the wtd
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

you can only have one 15mins break all the others minimum 30 mins no matter what you do

you're making yourself look very silly now.

has gone rather quiet

[Petericon]

Cannot work for more than 6 hours without a break. A break should last a minimum of 15 minutes
30 minute break if working between 6 and 9 hours in total.
After working for 6 hours a mobile worker must take a break of 15 minutes. However, if working between 6 and up to 9 hours in a shift a mobile worker must take a break totalling a minimum of 30 minutes, this can be made up of two breaks of 15 minutes.
45 minute break if working more than 9 hours in total. If a shift contains more than 9 hours of working time a break period totalling 45 minutes is required.

if you can't work out your hours do you think you're in the right job

[Petericon]

Cheers for reply’s. Sadly I’m no further forward. If you take 45 min break in a day that should cover you for the full day. 45 minutes for over 9 hours. I no it’s only 15 minute however I’m getting there infringements in yard fuelling and de kitting again out of scope but still other work and I always do manual enter till time I walk out gate.

cant take the heat stay out of the kitchen I thought that the prick was you I can work out a simple thing like my drive time but then again some people are thicker than others

[Stewer.Gibb]

You can't work over 6hrs (5:59) without a break of at least 15 mins.

[harrill]

You can't work over 6hrs (5:59) without a break of at least 15 mins.

so which is it ? 6 hours or 5 hours 59 minutes?

[Stewer.Gibb]

You can't work over 6hrs (5:59) without a break of at least 15 mins.

so which is it ? 6 hours or 5 hours 59 minutes?

you can't work over 6 hrs without a break.
Even if that's 6 hours and 1 second.
So you need to start your break BEFORE you get to 6.00 so in reality it's 5hrs, 59 mins and 59 seconds.

[harrill]

You can't work over 6hrs (5:59) without a break of at least 15 mins.

so which is it ? 6 hours or 5 hours 59 minutes?

you can't work over 6 hrs without a break.
Even if that's 6 hours and 1 second.
So you need to start your break BEFORE you get to 6.00 so in reality it's 5hrs, 59 mins and 59 seconds.

You can start a break on 6 hours..that's why the RT(WT)R says can't work more than 6 hours without a break. And tachographs go to the nearest whole minute so could go 6 hours and 29 seconds before putting on break.

[Stewer.Gibb]

so which is it ? 6 hours or 5 hours 59 minutes?

you can't work over 6 hrs without a break.
Even if that's 6 hours and 1 second.
So you need to start your break BEFORE you get to 6.00 so in reality it's 5hrs, 59 mins and 59 seconds.

You can start a break on 6 hours..that's why the RT(WT)R says can't work more than 6 hours without a break. And tachographs go to the nearest whole minute so could go 6 hours and 29 seconds before putting on break.

you'd better tell my boss to stop giving infringements out for 6:01 then.
And my last place
And the one before that.
5.59 not 6.00

[harrill]

you can't work over 6 hrs without a break.
Even if that's 6 hours and 1 second.
So you need to start your break BEFORE you get to 6.00 so in reality it's 5hrs, 59 mins and 59 seconds.

You can start a break on 6 hours..that's why the RT(WT)R says can't work more than 6 hours without a break. And tachographs go to the nearest whole minute so could go 6 hours and 29 seconds before putting on break.

you'd better tell my boss to stop giving infringements out for 6:01 then.
And my last place
And the one before that.
5.59 not 6.00

maybe tell your boss to check the regulations then.

[Stewer.Gibb]

You can start a break on 6 hours..that's why the RT(WT)R says can't work more than 6 hours without a break. And tachographs go to the nearest whole minute so could go 6 hours and 29 seconds before putting on break.

you'd better tell my boss to stop giving infringements out for 6:01 then.
And my last place
And the one before that.
5.59 not 6.00

maybe tell your boss to check the regulations then.

I've checked them myself.
As for squeezing an extra 29 seconds out of a shift. That's bullsh*t and you know it.

[harrill]

you'd better tell my boss to stop giving infringements out for 6:01 then.
And my last place
And the one before that.
5.59 not 6.00

maybe tell your boss to check the regulations then.

I've checked them myself.
As for squeezing an extra 29 seconds out of a shift. That's bullsh*t and you know it.

this is legal for the wtd
6 hours work
15 min break
6 hours work
15 min break
2h14min work
15 min break
1 min work then finish

[jeandspo]

you'd better tell my boss to stop giving infringements out for 6:01 then.
And my last place
And the one before that.
5.59 not 6.00

maybe tell your boss to check the regulations then.

I've checked them myself.
As for squeezing an extra 29 seconds out of a shift. That's bullsh*t and you know it.

read that comment back to yourself

[farrepo]

There's 2 parts to the wtd breaks.
1. The 6 hour rule
you can't work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other work count as working time)
2. The total break
This is dependent on the total amount of working time in the shift, only driving and other work count as working time for the wtd.
0-6 hours of working time = 0 break required
Over 6 but not over 9 = 30 mins of break/s
Over 9 = 45 mins of break/s required.
A shift can only be have 1 of the 3 apply, so ignore the other 2
Breaks can be taken anywhere in the shift to count towards the total required, except the very beginning or end of the shift, so each break must have at least 1 min of work either side of it and they must be at least 15 mins long to count.
The 6 - 9 and 9+ are purely used to determine how much break is required in total and are nothing to do with when any breaks are required.
So anyone who drives over 4.5 hours in a shift will have a 45 for that and tick the total break box for any shift, so all they'll need to worry about is the 6 hour rule.
These are extreme examples
of what is legal
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
Work 6
Break 25
Work 6
Break 20
Work 2:15
Work 2
Poa 11
Work 2

[tuTucardos]

There's 2 parts to the wtd breaks.
1. The 6 hour rule
you can't work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other work count as working time)
2. The total break
This is dependent on the total amount of working time in the shift, only driving and other work count as working time for the wtd.
0-6 hours of working time = 0 break required
Over 6 but not over 9 = 30 mins of break/s
Over 9 = 45 mins of break/s required.
A shift can only be have 1 of the 3 apply, so ignore the other 2
Breaks can be taken anywhere in the shift to count towards the total required, except the very beginning or end of the shift, so each break must have at least 1 min of work either side of it and they must be at least 15 mins long to count.
The 6 - 9 and 9+ are purely used to determine how much break is required in total and are nothing to do with when any breaks are required.
So anyone who drives over 4.5 hours in a shift will have a 45 for that and tick the total break box for any shift, so all they'll need to worry about is the 6 hour rule.
These are extreme examples
of what is legal
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
Work 6
Break 25
Work 6
Break 20
Work 2:15
Work 2
Poa 11
Work 2

your wrong you cannot have 2 x 15 mins breaks

[lawbenFor]

There's 2 parts to the wtd breaks.
1. The 6 hour rule
you can't work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other work count as working time)
2. The total break
This is dependent on the total amount of working time in the shift, only driving and other work count as working time for the wtd.
0-6 hours of working time = 0 break required
Over 6 but not over 9 = 30 mins of break/s
Over 9 = 45 mins of break/s required.
A shift can only be have 1 of the 3 apply, so ignore the other 2
Breaks can be taken anywhere in the shift to count towards the total required, except the very beginning or end of the shift, so each break must have at least 1 min of work either side of it and they must be at least 15 mins long to count.
The 6 - 9 and 9+ are purely used to determine how much break is required in total and are nothing to do with when any breaks are required.
So anyone who drives over 4.5 hours in a shift will have a 45 for that and tick the total break box for any shift, so all they'll need to worry about is the 6 hour rule.
These are extreme examples
of what is legal
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
Work 6
Break 25
Work 6
Break 20
Work 2:15
Work 2
Poa 11
Work 2

your wrong you cannot have 2 x 15 mins breaks

This should be interesting…
Why is he wrong Mate?

[farrepo]

There's 2 parts to the wtd breaks.
1. The 6 hour rule
you can't work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other work count as working time)
2. The total break
This is dependent on the total amount of working time in the shift, only driving and other work count as working time for the wtd.
0-6 hours of working time = 0 break required
Over 6 but not over 9 = 30 mins of break/s
Over 9 = 45 mins of break/s required.
A shift can only be have 1 of the 3 apply, so ignore the other 2
Breaks can be taken anywhere in the shift to count towards the total required, except the very beginning or end of the shift, so each break must have at least 1 min of work either side of it and they must be at least 15 mins long to count.
The 6 - 9 and 9+ are purely used to determine how much break is required in total and are nothing to do with when any breaks are required.
So anyone who drives over 4.5 hours in a shift will have a 45 for that and tick the total break box for any shift, so all they'll need to worry about is the 6 hour rule.
These are extreme examples
of what is legal
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
Work 6
Break 25
Work 6
Break 20
Work 2:15
Work 2
Poa 11
Work 2

your wrong you cannot have 2 x 15 mins breaks

it's right, honestly

[Tamence67]

There's 2 parts to the wtd breaks.
1. The 6 hour rule
you can't work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other work count as working time)
2. The total break
This is dependent on the total amount of working time in the shift, only driving and other work count as working time for the wtd.
0-6 hours of working time = 0 break required
Over 6 but not over 9 = 30 mins of break/s
Over 9 = 45 mins of break/s required.
A shift can only be have 1 of the 3 apply, so ignore the other 2
Breaks can be taken anywhere in the shift to count towards the total required, except the very beginning or end of the shift, so each break must have at least 1 min of work either side of it and they must be at least 15 mins long to count.
The 6 - 9 and 9+ are purely used to determine how much break is required in total and are nothing to do with when any breaks are required.
So anyone who drives over 4.5 hours in a shift will have a 45 for that and tick the total break box for any shift, so all they'll need to worry about is the 6 hour rule.
These are extreme examples
of what is legal
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
Work 6
Break 25
Work 6
Break 20
Work 2:15
Work 2
Poa 11
Work 2

Farrepo, after 6 hrs work he had a 45 min break. That resets his driving & working time so he can now work for another 6 hrs then would need to take another
Break totaling 30 mins or or 2 x 15s providing he doesn't go over his 4.5 hrs driving time. So ging by what was said he would there for get himself an infringement as hes worked for another 6.5 hrs without a break. Example:Breaks
Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break.
If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes duration.

[harrill]

There's 2 parts to the wtd breaks.
1. The 6 hour rule
you can't work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other work count as working time)
2. The total break
This is dependent on the total amount of working time in the shift, only driving and other work count as working time for the wtd.
0-6 hours of working time = 0 break required
Over 6 but not over 9 = 30 mins of break/s
Over 9 = 45 mins of break/s required.
A shift can only be have 1 of the 3 apply, so ignore the other 2
Breaks can be taken anywhere in the shift to count towards the total required, except the very beginning or end of the shift, so each break must have at least 1 min of work either side of it and they must be at least 15 mins long to count.
The 6 - 9 and 9+ are purely used to determine how much break is required in total and are nothing to do with when any breaks are required.
So anyone who drives over 4.5 hours in a shift will have a 45 for that and tick the total break box for any shift, so all they'll need to worry about is the 6 hour rule.
These are extreme examples
of what is legal
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
Work 6
Break 25
Work 6
Break 20
Work 2:15
Work 2
Poa 11
Work 2

Farrepo, after 6 hrs work he had a 45 min break. That resets his driving & working time so he can now work for another 6 hrs then would need to take another
Break totaling 30 mins or or 2 x 15s providing he doesn't go over his 4.5 hrs driving time. So ging by what was said he would there for get himself an infringement as hes worked for another 6.5 hrs without a break. Example:Breaks
Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break.
If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes duration.

he wouldn't need another 30min after working another 6 hours.

[Tamence67]

There's 2 parts to the wtd breaks.
1. The 6 hour rule
you can't work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other work count as working time)
2. The total break
This is dependent on the total amount of working time in the shift, only driving and other work count as working time for the wtd.
0-6 hours of working time = 0 break required
Over 6 but not over 9 = 30 mins of break/s
Over 9 = 45 mins of break/s required.
A shift can only be have 1 of the 3 apply, so ignore the other 2
Breaks can be taken anywhere in the shift to count towards the total required, except the very beginning or end of the shift, so each break must have at least 1 min of work either side of it and they must be at least 15 mins long to count.
The 6 - 9 and 9+ are purely used to determine how much break is required in total and are nothing to do with when any breaks are required.
So anyone who drives over 4.5 hours in a shift will have a 45 for that and tick the total break box for any shift, so all they'll need to worry about is the 6 hour rule.
These are extreme examples
of what is legal
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
Work 6
Break 25
Work 6
Break 20
Work 2:15
Work 2
Poa 11
Work 2

your wrong you cannot have 2 x 15 mins breaks

you can have 2 x 15 min breaks if it's for wtd. If it's for driving time it would be 1 x 15 & 1 x 30 or a 45 break.

[harrill]

How the f some of you lot have a licence is beyond me.

[GliGarlance]

How the f some of you lot have a licence is beyond me.

I’ve had a license more than 20 years and I’m telling you your wrong. Again I’ve come from before digi and before wtd. I’m sure the soft ware folk are using is resetting it causing said infringements but it’s wrong. There is only 1 24 hour day and nothing resets till after daily rest period has been taken. there is no reset button on 24 hour day. I’m getting infringements walking through yard to my car as I don’t technically finish until I walk through gate.

[harrill]

How the f some of you lot have a licence is beyond me.

I’ve had a license more than 20 years and I’m telling you your wrong. Again I’ve come from before digi and before wtd. I’m sure the soft ware folk are using is resetting it causing said infringements but it’s wrong. There is only 1 24 hour day and nothing resets till after daily rest period has been taken. there is no reset button on 24 hour day. I’m getting infringements walking through yard to my car as I don’t technically finish until I walk through gate.

look the rules are very clear YOU CAN'T WORK MORE THAN 6 HOURS WITHOUT A BREAK

[harrill]

maybe tell your boss to check the regulations then.

I've checked them myself.
As for squeezing an extra 29 seconds out of a shift. That's bullsh*t and you know it.

read that comment back to yourself

I'm wrong

[jeandspo]

I've checked them myself.
As for squeezing an extra 29 seconds out of a shift. That's bullsh*t and you know it.

read that comment back to yourself

I'm wrong

but he’s had his license more than 20 yrs

[GliGarlance]

How the f some of you lot have a licence is beyond me.

I’ve had a license more than 20 years and I’m telling you your wrong. Again I’ve come from before digi and before wtd. I’m sure the soft ware folk are using is resetting it causing said infringements but it’s wrong. There is only 1 24 hour day and nothing resets till after daily rest period has been taken. there is no reset button on 24 hour day. I’m getting infringements walking through yard to my car as I don’t technically finish until I walk through gate.

look the rules are very clear YOU CAN'T WORK MORE THAN 6 HOURS WITHOUT A BREAK

they are very clear indeed. And it’s also very clear that if you work over 9 hours it’s 45 min for whole day. Simples. Just leave it at that. I’ll sort it myself

[harrill]

I’ve had a license more than 20 years and I’m telling you your wrong. Again I’ve come from before digi and before wtd. I’m sure the soft ware folk are using is resetting it causing said infringements but it’s wrong. There is only 1 24 hour day and nothing resets till after daily rest period has been taken. there is no reset button on 24 hour day. I’m getting infringements walking through yard to my car as I don’t technically finish until I walk through gate.

look the rules are very clear YOU CAN'T WORK MORE THAN 6 HOURS WITHOUT A BREAK

they are very clear indeed. And it’s also very clear that if you work over 9 hours it’s 45 min for whole day. Simples. Just leave it at that. I’ll sort it myself

you're thick I'm afraid and should not be allowed out on your own without an adult present.

[nem3sstor]

I’ve had a license more than 20 years and I’m telling you your wrong. Again I’ve come from before digi and before wtd. I’m sure the soft ware folk are using is resetting it causing said infringements but it’s wrong. There is only 1 24 hour day and nothing resets till after daily rest period has been taken. there is no reset button on 24 hour day. I’m getting infringements walking through yard to my car as I don’t technically finish until I walk through gate.

look the rules are very clear YOU CAN'T WORK MORE THAN 6 HOURS WITHOUT A BREAK

they are very clear indeed. And it’s also very clear that if you work over 9 hours it’s 45 min for whole day. Simples. Just leave it at that. I’ll sort it myself

its 2 parts to that,over 9 hours 45 minutes is corect,but also no more than 5.59 hours consecutive

[roxtyne]

read that comment back to yourself

I'm wrong

but he’s had his license more than 20 yrs

Yes he can drive safely The rest can only hold a pen

[GliGarlance]

look the rules are very clear YOU CAN'T WORK MORE THAN 6 HOURS WITHOUT A BREAK

they are very clear indeed. And it’s also very clear that if you work over 9 hours it’s 45 min for whole day. Simples. Just leave it at that. I’ll sort it myself

you're thick I'm afraid and should not be allowed out on your own without an adult present.

What ever big guy

[harrill]

they are very clear indeed. And it’s also very clear that if you work over 9 hours it’s 45 min for whole day. Simples. Just leave it at that. I’ll sort it myself

you're thick I'm afraid and should not be allowed out on your own without an adult present.

What ever big guy

You really are a

[RohnBradel]

15 minutes is a wtd break. Never work more than 6 hrs without a break. If you work between 6-9 hrs you must take a break / breaks totalling 30 minutes. If you work over 9 hrs you must take a break / breaks totalling 45 minutes. But remember NEVER work more than 6 hrs without taking a break

[tuTucardos]

15 minutes is a wtd break. Never work more than 6 hrs without a break. If you work between 6-9 hrs you must take a break / breaks totalling 30 minutes. If you work over 9 hrs you must take a break / breaks totalling 45 minutes. But remember NEVER work more than 6 hrs without taking a break

wrong