Right here goes hopefully a quick 1 on wtd. Do you need second 15 break for next 6 n half. I would say not but my

[GliGarlance]

Right here goes hopefully a quick 1 on wtd.
So 6 hours working time. 15 break but you have 45. Then 6 1/2 working time so 12n half hour shift with both working and driving. Do you need second 15 break for next 6 n half. I would say not but my company says yes.

[normart]

30 minutes

[HOWERLEY]

Yeah. Cant go more than 6hrs without a break

[lesu2363]

Yes you need another wtd break @ 11hrs59m

[Peteines]

The rule is very simple.
At no point can you work MORE THAN six hours without at least a 15 minute break.
So your company is correct, you would require another 15 minute break before you went past the 6 hour point again.

[roxtyne]

The rule is very simple.
At no point can you work MORE THAN six hours without at least a 15 minute break.
So your company is correct, you would require another 15 minute break before you went past the 6 hour point again.

I thought we left the EU people can't go abroad to get the operations They need to get of the six million NHS waiting list. How many farmers take the wtd.

[Peteines]

The rule is very simple.
At no point can you work MORE THAN six hours without at least a 15 minute break.
So your company is correct, you would require another 15 minute break before you went past the 6 hour point again.

I thought we left the EU people can't go abroad to get the operations They need to get of the six million NHS waiting list. How many farmers take the wtd.

what are you talking about?
The wtd is now uk law, infact it was the UK who pushed for the regulations in the first place.

[roxtyne]

The rule is very simple.
At no point can you work MORE THAN six hours without at least a 15 minute break.
So your company is correct, you would require another 15 minute break before you went past the 6 hour point again.

I thought we left the EU people can't go abroad to get the operations They need to get of the six million NHS waiting list. How many farmers take the wtd.

what are you talking about?
The wtd is now uk law, infact it was the UK who pushed for the regulations in the first place.

I know that 87% of the law's In the UK are though up in the UK. Only 13%, of the UK's rules came from When we were part of the EU. Oh dear I guess Boris forgot to tell Us that when he promised to get rid of the red tape. And that why we have employed an extra two and a half million public servants. Scene Brexit oh Boris seems to have forgotten to tell us that as well. Most of the HGVs new drivers are coming from a higher academic back ground. Not like the old days when people could drive truck's without limiters because they had a brain . Now they can't even get into the cab without being trained to open the door.

[Peteines]

I thought we left the EU people can't go abroad to get the operations They need to get of the six million NHS waiting list. How many farmers take the wtd.

what are you talking about?
The wtd is now uk law, infact it was the UK who pushed for the regulations in the first place.

I know that 87% of the law's In the UK are though up in the UK. Only 13%, of the UK's rules came from When we were part of the EU. Oh dear I guess Boris forgot to tell Us that when he promised to get rid of the red tape. And that why we have employed an extra two and a half million public servants. Scene Brexit oh Boris seems to have forgotten to tell us that as well. Most of the HGVs new drivers are coming from a higher academic back ground. Not like the old days when people could drive truck's without limiters because they had a brain . Now they can't even get into the cab without being trained to open the door.

he over looked a lot of things to be completely honest

[lawbenFor]

So in your example, working time is
0-6hrs —-> 45 minutes break (this is fine and legal and resets your six hour rule)
0-6.5hrs —> this would be an infringement.
“Mobile workers should not work more than six consecutive hours without a break.” GV262
You would require a break of 15 minutes duration, at minimum, before you exceeded the second six consecutive hours of work.

[NUTTERERCO]

So in your example, working time is
0-6hrs —-> 45 minutes break (this is fine and legal and resets your six hour rule)
0-6.5hrs —> this would be an infringement.
“Mobile workers should not work more than six consecutive hours without a break.” GV262
You would require a break of 15 minutes duration, at minimum, before you exceeded the second six consecutive hours of work.

correct

[Seanox]

YES

[BriBrio]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

[ton2cool]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

6 isn’t an infringement, you can’t work MORE than 6 hours without the minimum required break.

[ewarton]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

6 isn’t an infringement, you can’t work MORE than 6 hours without the minimum required break.

6 hours and 1 second is an infringement. That’s why you take break no later that 5:59

[harrill]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

6 isn’t an infringement, you can’t work MORE than 6 hours without the minimum required break.

6 hours and 1 second is an infringement. That’s why you take break no later that 5:59

no it isn't

[ewarton]

6 isn’t an infringement, you can’t work MORE than 6 hours without the minimum required break.

6 hours and 1 second is an infringement. That’s why you take break no later that 5:59

no it isn't

how is it not?

[harrill]

6 hours and 1 second is an infringement. That’s why you take break no later that 5:59

no it isn't

how is it not?

it's 6 hours work not 5h59min that is why and 1 second over isn't an infringement.

[ton2cool]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

6 isn’t an infringement, you can’t work MORE than 6 hours without the minimum required break.

6 hours and 1 second is an infringement. That’s why you take break no later that 5:59

Wrong, the numbers and words in the directives are the ones to work with. Not the ideas of someone in a cafe or transport office

[BriBrio]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

6 isn’t an infringement, you can’t work MORE than 6 hours without the minimum required break.

it's easy to see who listens when and if they their cpc

[harrill]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

6 isn’t an infringement, you can’t work MORE than 6 hours without the minimum required break.

it's easy to see who listens when and if they their cpc

you certainly don't

[ton2cool]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

6 isn’t an infringement, you can’t work MORE than 6 hours without the minimum required break.

it's easy to see who listens when and if they their cpc

I forget more in a nights sleep than most of those running DCPC courses will ever know.
Look up the legislation, it isn’t difficult

[Jrba]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

no it isn't.

[BriBrio]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

no it isn't.

Check it out its the with 4 1/2 driving has to be 4 hrs 29 mins 13 hrs has to be 12hr 59mins or that's a 15 gone

[Jrba]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

no it isn't.

Check it out its the with 4 1/2 driving has to be 4 hrs 29 mins 13 hrs has to be 12hr 59mins or that's a 15 gone

please stop, you're making yourself look stupid

[PaLunatic]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

no it isn't.

Check it out its the with 4 1/2 driving has to be 4 hrs 29 mins 13 hrs has to be 12hr 59mins or that's a 15 gone

No it isn’t , 4hr 30m is fine , 4h 31 is an infringement , likewise 13h is fine , 13h 1m and you’re into having a reduced break .

[GliGarlance]

no it isn't.

Check it out its the with 4 1/2 driving has to be 4 hrs 29 mins 13 hrs has to be 12hr 59mins or that's a 15 gone

No it isn’t , 4hr 30m is fine , 4h 31 is an infringement , likewise 13h is fine , 13h 1m and you’re into having a reduced break .

yip you bang on. Seems a lot of experts on here that no feck all.

[ton2cool]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

no it isn't.

Check it out its the with 4 1/2 driving has to be 4 hrs 29 mins 13 hrs has to be 12hr 59mins or that's a 15 gone

Wrong, the numbers and words in the directives are the ones to work with. Not the ideas of someone in a cafe or transport office

[harrill]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

no it isn't.

[jeandspo]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

no it isn't.

some people just make up rules as they please eh

[jamesman]

And it needs to be 5 hrs 59 mins 6 is an infringement

agree in principle none of the muppets commenting on your post have accurate watches and know to the second when their work day started

[mcDownfully]

Keep it simple and just do half hour breaks. Covers you for work time and drive time.

[PeteMMaster]

Keep it simple and just do half hour breaks. Covers you for work time and drive time.

agree

[CoullsTwo]

As above, but the way around it would be to have 15 (or 30) at 6 hours then 15 (or 30 again to reset drive time) before 9 hours, leaving you with enough time to get home well within the 12 hours you worked

[Jrba]

As above, but the way around it would be to have 15 (or 30) at 6 hours then 15 (or 30 again to reset drive time) before 9 hours, leaving you with enough time to get home well within the 12 hours you worked

in this situation he wouldn't need to take any breaks at 9 hours.

[CoullsTwo]

As above, but the way around it would be to have 15 (or 30) at 6 hours then 15 (or 30 again to reset drive time) before 9 hours, leaving you with enough time to get home well within the 12 hours you worked

in this situation he wouldn't need to take any breaks at 9 hours.

if he only has a 15 at 6 then yes he would

[Jrba]

As above, but the way around it would be to have 15 (or 30) at 6 hours then 15 (or 30 again to reset drive time) before 9 hours, leaving you with enough time to get home well within the 12 hours you worked

in this situation he wouldn't need to take any breaks at 9 hours.

if he only has a 15 at 6 then yes he would

no he wouldn't. A break of 15 minutes or more resets your working time for a further 6 hours. There is no 9 hour rule.

[GliGarlance]

in this situation he wouldn't need to take any breaks at 9 hours.

if he only has a 15 at 6 then yes he would

no he wouldn't. A break of 15 minutes or more resets your working time for a further 6 hours. There is no 9 hour rule.

there is. If you work more than 9 hours in a day you must have a 45 min break. Not 1 hour tho. For example if you drive only 1 hour a day but work a 10 hour shift working time means you need to take a 45 min break and driving time needs no break.

[CoullsTwo]

in this situation he wouldn't need to take any breaks at 9 hours.

if he only has a 15 at 6 then yes he would

no he wouldn't. A break of 15 minutes or more resets your working time for a further 6 hours. There is no 9 hour rule.

...

[Jrba]

if he only has a 15 at 6 then yes he would

no he wouldn't. A break of 15 minutes or more resets your working time for a further 6 hours. There is no 9 hour rule.

...

If your TOTAL working time is between 6-9 hours then you need to show 30 minutes of breaks.
If your TOTAL working time will exceed 9 hours then you must show 45 minutes of breaks.
A 15 minute break resets your working time for a further 6 hours.
The length of your shift is irrelevant, as it's only working time that counts (driving, other work).

[CoullsTwo]

no he wouldn't. A break of 15 minutes or more resets your working time for a further 6 hours. There is no 9 hour rule.

...

If your TOTAL working time is between 6-9 hours then you need to show 30 minutes of breaks.
If your TOTAL working time will exceed 9 hours then you must show 45 minutes of breaks.
A 15 minute break resets your working time for a further 6 hours.
The length of your shift is irrelevant, as it's only working time that counts (driving, other work).

and the original post did 12.5h... which is atleast 2 periods of rest regardless & in the real world no one works all the way to the limit, which would again increase the need for a second rest

[Jrba]

...

If your TOTAL working time is between 6-9 hours then you need to show 30 minutes of breaks.
If your TOTAL working time will exceed 9 hours then you must show 45 minutes of breaks.
A 15 minute break resets your working time for a further 6 hours.
The length of your shift is irrelevant, as it's only working time that counts (driving, other work).

and the original post did 12.5h... which is atleast 2 periods of rest regardless & in the real world no one works all the way to the limit, which would again increase the need for a second rest

the last part of that doesn't make any sense at all. 6 hours work is 6 hours work, whether you do that in 6 hours or 12, it's still 6 hours work.
And if he knew his total working time was going to exceed 9 hours then he doesn't need to take a second break before 9 hours, because there is no 9 hour rule.

[CoullsTwo]

If your TOTAL working time is between 6-9 hours then you need to show 30 minutes of breaks.
If your TOTAL working time will exceed 9 hours then you must show 45 minutes of breaks.
A 15 minute break resets your working time for a further 6 hours.
The length of your shift is irrelevant, as it's only working time that counts (driving, other work).

and the original post did 12.5h... which is atleast 2 periods of rest regardless & in the real world no one works all the way to the limit, which would again increase the need for a second rest

the last part of that doesn't make any sense at all. 6 hours work is 6 hours work, whether you do that in 6 hours or 12, it's still 6 hours work.
And if he knew his total working time was going to exceed 9 hours then he doesn't need to take a second break before 9 hours, because there is no 9 hour rule.

start at 6am. Have your break at 1145 (because real world no one works all the way to the limit) if you have your 2nd break at 1800 "because 6 hours is 6 hours" you have an infringement. There is a 9 hour rule, it's right there on the screen shot, directly from a government pdf....

[Jrba]

and the original post did 12.5h... which is atleast 2 periods of rest regardless & in the real world no one works all the way to the limit, which would again increase the need for a second rest

the last part of that doesn't make any sense at all. 6 hours work is 6 hours work, whether you do that in 6 hours or 12, it's still 6 hours work.
And if he knew his total working time was going to exceed 9 hours then he doesn't need to take a second break before 9 hours, because there is no 9 hour rule.

start at 6am. Have your break at 1145 (because real world no one works all the way to the limit) if you have your 2nd break at 1800 "because 6 hours is 6 hours" you have an infringement. There is a 9 hour rule, it's right there on the screen shot, directly from a government pdf....

6 hours is NOT an infringement, 6.01 is.
The only time you need a further break before 9 hours is if YOU KNOW your working time will end between 6-9 hours.
If you know you're going to exceed 9 hours then your next break isn't legally required until 6 of working time after your last break, or you hit 4.5 hours driving first.

[CoullsTwo]

the last part of that doesn't make any sense at all. 6 hours work is 6 hours work, whether you do that in 6 hours or 12, it's still 6 hours work.
And if he knew his total working time was going to exceed 9 hours then he doesn't need to take a second break before 9 hours, because there is no 9 hour rule.

start at 6am. Have your break at 1145 (because real world no one works all the way to the limit) if you have your 2nd break at 1800 "because 6 hours is 6 hours" you have an infringement. There is a 9 hour rule, it's right there on the screen shot, directly from a government pdf....

6 hours is NOT an infringement, 6.01 is.
The only time you need a further break before 9 hours is if YOU KNOW your working time will end between 6-9 hours.
If you know you're going to exceed 9 hours then your next break isn't legally required until 6 of working time after your last break, or you hit 4.5 hours driving first.

yeah I didn't explain that last 1 vert well. But no, if you know your shift ends before 9 hours then you do not need another break. The 15 will do just fine lol and like I said originally another break is needed knowing you'll go over 9 (again 15 would suffice but 30 will reset the drive time)

[Jrba]

start at 6am. Have your break at 1145 (because real world no one works all the way to the limit) if you have your 2nd break at 1800 "because 6 hours is 6 hours" you have an infringement. There is a 9 hour rule, it's right there on the screen shot, directly from a government pdf....

6 hours is NOT an infringement, 6.01 is.
The only time you need a further break before 9 hours is if YOU KNOW your working time will end between 6-9 hours.
If you know you're going to exceed 9 hours then your next break isn't legally required until 6 of working time after your last break, or you hit 4.5 hours driving first.

yeah I didn't explain that last 1 vert well. But no, if you know your shift ends before 9 hours then you do not need another break. The 15 will do just fine lol and like I said originally another break is needed knowing you'll go over 9 (again 15 would suffice but 30 will reset the drive time)

you've got that back to front.

[CoullsTwo]

6 hours is NOT an infringement, 6.01 is.
The only time you need a further break before 9 hours is if YOU KNOW your working time will end between 6-9 hours.
If you know you're going to exceed 9 hours then your next break isn't legally required until 6 of working time after your last break, or you hit 4.5 hours driving first.

yeah I didn't explain that last 1 vert well. But no, if you know your shift ends before 9 hours then you do not need another break. The 15 will do just fine lol and like I said originally another break is needed knowing you'll go over 9 (again 15 would suffice but 30 will reset the drive time)

you've got that back to front.

no, 15 first then a 30

[Jrba]

yeah I didn't explain that last 1 vert well. But no, if you know your shift ends before 9 hours then you do not need another break. The 15 will do just fine lol and like I said originally another break is needed knowing you'll go over 9 (again 15 would suffice but 30 will reset the drive time)

you've got that back to front.

no, 15 first then a 30

that's tacho regs, not WTD.

[chuyear45]

you've got that back to front.

no, 15 first then a 30

that's tacho regs, not WTD.

gotta love the good old imaginary 9 hour rule

[NUTTERERCO]

As above, but the way around it would be to have 15 (or 30) at 6 hours then 15 (or 30 again to reset drive time) before 9 hours, leaving you with enough time to get home well within the 12 hours you worked

I'm sure you know but if splitting don't do 15min for 2nd break.
Either 15 then 30 or or if doing a long day 30 30min second has to be 30min!

[Jrba]

As above, but the way around it would be to have 15 (or 30) at 6 hours then 15 (or 30 again to reset drive time) before 9 hours, leaving you with enough time to get home well within the 12 hours you worked

I'm sure you know but if splitting don't do 15min for 2nd break.
Either 15 then 30 or or if doing a long day 30 30min second has to be 30min!

only for a tacho break. 20 +25 would be sufficient for the WTD.

[tuTucardos]

Once you hit 5hrs 59mins you shud have showed a 15 mins break after that the next breaks must be half hour 6-9 hrs

[jeandspo]

Once you hit 5hrs 59mins you shud have showed a 15 mins break after that the next breaks must be half hour 6-9 hrs

it’s can’t work more than 6 hrs not 5.59.
The above example shows he would be working at least another 6 hrs so why would he need 30 between 6-9?

[tuTucardos]

Once you hit 5hrs 59mins you shud have showed a 15 mins break after that the next breaks must be half hour 6-9 hrs

it’s can’t work more than 6 hrs not 5.59.
The above example shows he would be working at least another 6 hrs so why would he need 30 between 6-9?

cos that’s the WTD law

[jeandspo]

Once you hit 5hrs 59mins you shud have showed a 15 mins break after that the next breaks must be half hour 6-9 hrs

it’s can’t work more than 6 hrs not 5.59.
The above example shows he would be working at least another 6 hrs so why would he need 30 between 6-9?

cos that’s the WTD law

no it’s not. Only required to have 30 between 6-9 if that’s his total working time.

[tuTucardos]

it’s can’t work more than 6 hrs not 5.59.
The above example shows he would be working at least another 6 hrs so why would he need 30 between 6-9?

cos that’s the WTD law

no it’s not. Only required to have 30 between 6-9 if that’s his total working time.

,,

[jeandspo]

cos that’s the WTD law

no it’s not. Only required to have 30 between 6-9 if that’s his total working time.

,,

thanks just proved my point .
Look at where it says “ working between 6-9 TOTAL

[jeandspo]

cos that’s the WTD law

no it’s not. Only required to have 30 between 6-9 if that’s his total working time.

,,

!!!

[tuTucardos]

no it’s not. Only required to have 30 between 6-9 if that’s his total working time.

,,

thanks just proved my point .
Look at where it says “ working between 6-9 TOTAL

I know where your coming from what lgv1 drivers job only does 9 hrs total day it’s a grey area. Your second break cannot be 15 mins anymore that’s all I’m saying

[jeandspo]

,,

thanks just proved my point .
Look at where it says “ working between 6-9 TOTAL

I know where your coming from what lgv1 drivers job only does 9 hrs total day it’s a grey area. Your second break cannot be 15 mins anymore that’s all I’m saying

well all I’m saying is your completely wrong. Read it again

[tuTucardos]

thanks just proved my point .
Look at where it says “ working between 6-9 TOTAL

I know where your coming from what lgv1 drivers job only does 9 hrs total day it’s a grey area. Your second break cannot be 15 mins anymore that’s all I’m saying

well all I’m saying is your completely wrong. Read it again

I’m not arguing but on a typical full days work your second break has to be 1/2 hour

[jeandspo]

I know where your coming from what lgv1 drivers job only does 9 hrs total day it’s a grey area. Your second break cannot be 15 mins anymore that’s all I’m saying

well all I’m saying is your completely wrong. Read it again

I’m not arguing but on a typical full days work your second break has to be 1/2 hour

not for wtd it doesn’t.

[jeandspo]

I know where your coming from what lgv1 drivers job only does 9 hrs total day it’s a grey area. Your second break cannot be 15 mins anymore that’s all I’m saying

well all I’m saying is your completely wrong. Read it again

I’m not arguing but on a typical full days work your second break has to be 1/2 hour

!!!

[tuTucardos]

well all I’m saying is your completely wrong. Read it again

I’m not arguing but on a typical full days work your second break has to be 1/2 hour

not for wtd it doesn’t.

it’s changed you must have 15mins break upto 6 hrs agreed ? You then could have another 15 mins before you hit 9 hrs well they changed it to 1/2 hr

[jeandspo]

I’m not arguing but on a typical full days work your second break has to be 1/2 hour

not for wtd it doesn’t.

it’s changed you must have 15mins break upto 6 hrs agreed ? You then could have another 15 mins before you hit 9 hrs well they changed it to 1/2 hr

no it’s not
Work 6 hrs 15
Work 6 hrs 15
Work 1 hr 15
Perfectly legal.

[harrill]

I’m not arguing but on a typical full days work your second break has to be 1/2 hour

not for wtd it doesn’t.

it’s changed you must have 15mins break upto 6 hrs agreed ? You then could have another 15 mins before you hit 9 hrs well they changed it to 1/2 hr

up to 6 hours no break is required.. don't need a second 15 by 9 hours or 30 min either if working longer than that.

[ponyon]

For 6.5 hours working you need a 30 min break not a 15 min break.

[Jrba]

For 6.5 hours working you need a 30 min break not a 15 min break.

15 minutes.

[ponyon]

For 6.5 hours working you need a 30 min break not a 15 min break.

15 minutes.

nope. For working between 6-9 hours you need a 30 min break.

[Jrba]

For 6.5 hours working you need a 30 min break not a 15 min break.

15 minutes.

nope. For working between 6-9 hours you need a 30 min break.

only if your working time ends between 6-9 hours, otherwise no further breaks are required until you hit 12 hours working time or 4.5 hours driving.

[ponyon]

15 minutes.

nope. For working between 6-9 hours you need a 30 min break.

only if your working time ends between 6-9 hours, otherwise no further breaks are required until you hit 12 hours working time or 4.5 hours driving.

that’s right and he is working 6.5 hours so it falls between 6-9 hours.
Also finishing shift at 6.5 hours doesn’t count as a second 15 min break.

[Jrba]

nope. For working between 6-9 hours you need a 30 min break.

only if your working time ends between 6-9 hours, otherwise no further breaks are required until you hit 12 hours working time or 4.5 hours driving.

that’s right and he is working 6.5 hours so it falls between 6-9 hours.
Also finishing shift at 6.5 hours doesn’t count as a second 15 min break.

you're not making any sense?

[lawbenFor]

For 6.5 hours working you need a 30 min break not a 15 min break.

Ponyon, in the example give by
Garlance, his working time total is 12:30hrs. That’s in total.
How can his working time total, according to yourself, be both 6-9hrs in total and also Gary’s total of 12:30hrs (again in total) for the same duty period?

[ponyon]

For 6.5 hours working you need a 30 min break not a 15 min break.

Ponyon, in the example give by
Garlance, his working time total is 12:30hrs. That’s in total.
How can his working time total, according to yourself, be both 6-9hrs in total and also Gary’s total of 12:30hrs (again in total) for the same duty period?

If the first half of his day is 6 hours then he needs a 15 min break before completing 6 hours. If the second half of his day is 6.5 hours then he needs to show a 30 min break for that period. All wtd breaks totalling 45 mins for the 12.5 hour day.

[DOMRYOTTE]

For 6.5 hours working you need a 30 min break not a 15 min break.

WTD breaks can both be 15 mins, you only need the 30 min second break for drivers hours, two completely different set of rules covering the same job