Someone asked me today whats the difference between a coach driver and a bus driver. My answer a bus driver, drives

[BuzzBarry]

Someone asked me today whats the difference between a coach driver and a bus driver. My answer a bus driver, drives from A to B as quick as they can whereas a coach driver works out how much money they can earn between A and B.

[Wesy_gnoxa]

A coach driver carries passengers that want to be there.
A bus driver carries passengers that need to be there.
And boy does it show in their attitudes (I've done both jobs for my sins).

[connex]

So what commission does a coach driver make selling extras for the company haha

[VAUGRUNO]

Quite obviously a bus driver knows A,what time they start/finish B,when their days off are and holidays (a foreign concept) to coach drivers C,where they're going by an accessible route and D,how much they're getting paid and when. Note how none of the above apply to coach drivers!

[parkDictator]

Quite obviously a bus driver knows A,what time they start/finish B,when their days off are and holidays (a foreign concept) to coach drivers C,where they're going by an accessible route and D,how much they're getting paid and when. Note how none of the above apply to coach drivers!

All true.

[LAURERHO]

Quite obviously a bus driver knows A,what time they start/finish B,when their days off are and holidays (a foreign concept) to coach drivers C,where they're going by an accessible route and D,how much they're getting paid and when. Note how none of the above apply to coach drivers!

Usually finish late or later than expected if breakdowns delays etc but I couldn't do coaches

[BerisLoon]

Shut up daft lad.

[trewayerJigg]

what about drivers driving coaches that are called buses?

[Wesy_gnoxa]

what about drivers driving coaches that are called buses?

They're called Roadies

[trewayerJigg]

what about drivers driving coaches that are called buses?

They're called Roadies

I'm not a roadie

[Wesy_gnoxa]

what about drivers driving coaches that are called buses?

They're called Roadies

I'm not a roadie

Well y'aint a bus driver neither

[trewayerJigg]

They're called Roadies

I'm not a roadie

Well y'aint a bus driver neither

I'm a campervan driver

[Wesy_gnoxa]

I'm not a roadie

Well y'aint a bus driver neither

I'm a campervan driver

lol nice, and i'm currently a chair driver I guess

[trewayerJigg]

Well y'aint a bus driver neither

I'm a campervan driver

lol nice, and i'm currently a chair driver I guess

Transport consultant

[Wesy_gnoxa]

I'm a campervan driver

lol nice, and i'm currently a chair driver I guess

Transport consultant

Now the only consulting I do is when people ask how my bike is or if it's been repaired yet.

[LAURERHO]

They are all buses

[Wesy_gnoxa]

They are all buses

Actually in they eyes of the law they're not, even though it's the same license to drive both.

[LAURERHO]

They are all buses

Actually in they eyes of the law they're not, even though it's the same license to drive both.

In the eyes of the paperwork they are all buses

[Wesy_gnoxa]

They are all buses

Actually in they eyes of the law they're not, even though it's the same license to drive both.

In the eyes of the paperwork they are all buses

Nope even the paperwork is different Most busses are subject to UK domestic rules only as opposed to ALL coaches being subject to EU rules.

[LAURERHO]

Actually in they eyes of the law they're not, even though it's the same license to drive both.

In the eyes of the paperwork they are all buses

Nope even the paperwork is different Most busses are subject to UK domestic rules only as opposed to ALL coaches being subject to EU rules.

Not all coaches are ours aren't unless on private hires

[Nee_Anarchy]

In the eyes of the paperwork they are all buses

Nope even the paperwork is different Most busses are subject to UK domestic rules only as opposed to ALL coaches being subject to EU rules.

Not all coaches are ours aren't unless on private hires

And there's the difference. A coach is a bus when it's being used on a scheduled stage carriage service. Otherwise it's a coach (meaning it dosn't have the same exemptions as a bus).

[elsto5ixio]

In the eyes of the paperwork they are all buses

Nope even the paperwork is different Most busses are subject to UK domestic rules only as opposed to ALL coaches being subject to EU rules.

Not all coaches are ours aren't unless on private hires

The V5 for a coach describes it as a bus.
And it's only in Britain and Ireland where coaches are called coaches.
And I call mine a bus all the time.

[Jackhi]

about £2 an hour

[goird-1483]

Mostly coach driver decides the route, runs after pax trying to earn a tip, gives commentary, handles luggage, convinces pax they care, sells optional, checks into ferries, hotels etc etc

[BerisLoon]

Mostly coach driver decides the route, runs after pax trying to earn a tip, gives commentary, handles luggage, convinces pax they care, sells optional, checks into ferries, hotels etc etc

Washes and keeps his coach clean inside and out.

[trewayerJigg]

Mostly coach driver decides the route, runs after pax trying to earn a tip, gives commentary, handles luggage, convinces pax they care, sells optional, checks into ferries, hotels etc etc

The buses I drive are cleaner than most coaches

[birkla.2073]

Coach drivers can use reverse gear

[LAURERHO]

Coach drivers can use reverse gear

So can bus drivers how do you think they go backwards

[Morril.vaash]

Calm down kids.

[Nee_Anarchy]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

[trewayerJigg]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

What about buses that look like coaches?

[Wesy_gnoxa]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

Or coaches that look like buses?

[Nee_Anarchy]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

Or coaches that look like buses?

What about it? Matters not is the simple answer. The main question is what type of work they are doing. For example if you drive a coach on stage carriage work, you don't need to use a tacho. But for anything else then obviously you do.

[339Davidones]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

depends on the distance

[Nee_Anarchy]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

depends on the distance

True but I'm talking most case scenarios. Coach work requires a tacho no matter what. Stage carriage within (I think) 50km of base dosn't.

[kei+pneacn]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

Factually not correct, if you do private hire EU for one day, you are then bound by those rules regarding record keeping for 28 days .... so technically your still a coach driver not a bus driver, and most coach companies when doing school runs, charge the parents direct not the local authority so therefore every run is private hire

[Nee_Anarchy]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

Factually not correct, if you do private hire EU for one day, you are then bound by those rules regarding record keeping for 28 days .... so technically your still a coach driver not a bus driver, and most coach companies when doing school runs, charge the parents direct not the local authority so therefore every run is private hire

can you provide a link to the appropriate reqs that say a driver is bound to EU rules for 28 days by doing a private hire as well as stage carriage? Only I can't find such a reg. The only reference I can find is that if you drive as a "bus driver" and part of your duty is private hire, you then are bound for the appropriate rules for that day or week.

[kei+pneacn]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

Factually not correct, if you do private hire EU for one day, you are then bound by those rules regarding record keeping for 28 days .... so technically your still a coach driver not a bus driver, and most coach companies when doing school runs, charge the parents direct not the local authority so therefore every run is private hire

can you provide a link to the appropriate reqs that say a driver is bound to EU rules for 28 days by doing a private hire as well as stage carriage? Only I can't find such a reg. The only reference I can find is that if you drive as a "bus driver" and part of your duty is private hire, you then are bound for the appropriate rules for that day or week.

please read Driver's Hours and Tachograph Rules: Buses and Coaches (PSV375) section 3 Mixed EU/AETR and GB domestic driving sub section 3.4 Records

[kei+pneacn]

The difference depends on what type of work they are doing. Domestic UK rules apply to registered stage carriage services or school services which then are classed as 'bus' work. So a coach doing such work becomes the same as a 'bus' legally speaking. However on tour, excursion or private hire work, this comes under EU rules so the roles can be reversed... A bus can become a coach providing of course they have tacho fitted.

Factually not correct, if you do private hire EU for one day, you are then bound by those rules regarding record keeping for 28 days .... so technically your still a coach driver not a bus driver, and most coach companies when doing school runs, charge the parents direct not the local authority so therefore every run is private hire

can you provide a link to the appropriate reqs that say a driver is bound to EU rules for 28 days by doing a private hire as well as stage carriage? Only I can't find such a reg. The only reference I can find is that if you drive as a "bus driver" and part of your duty is private hire, you then are bound for the appropriate rules for that day or week.

A lot of people see this as open to 'interpretation' but you cross VOSA or one of the international equivalents, and you can't produce a 28 day record .... well that's your choice.

[Nee_Anarchy]

Factually not correct, if you do private hire EU for one day, you are then bound by those rules regarding record keeping for 28 days .... so technically your still a coach driver not a bus driver, and most coach companies when doing school runs, charge the parents direct not the local authority so therefore every run is private hire

can you provide a link to the appropriate reqs that say a driver is bound to EU rules for 28 days by doing a private hire as well as stage carriage? Only I can't find such a reg. The only reference I can find is that if you drive as a "bus driver" and part of your duty is private hire, you then are bound for the appropriate rules for that day or week.

A lot of people see this as open to 'interpretation' but you cross VOSA or one of the international equivalents, and you can't produce a 28 day record .... well that's your choice.

Having read the section (as you suggested), it did not correspond with what you said originally; that you must stay on EU rules for 28 days. I note that you have now edited that post. Having worked at a bus company that also did private hire, the rules were that you could do part of a stage carriage duty and then do a private hire (obviously in the latter, the vehicle has to have a tacho) but although you obviously retained the tacho chart (as they were then) for 28 days, it didn't mean that you could only operate under EU rules for 28 days. No records are required when operating on UK Domestic (as the rules state) BUT i assume that you could refer to the running card/way bill of which a stage carriage service will have, in the event of any investigation from the DVSA.

[kei+pneacn]

can you provide a link to the appropriate reqs that say a driver is bound to EU rules for 28 days by doing a private hire as well as stage carriage? Only I can't find such a reg. The only reference I can find is that if you drive as a "bus driver" and part of your duty is private hire, you then are bound for the appropriate rules for that day or week.

A lot of people see this as open to 'interpretation' but you cross VOSA or one of the international equivalents, and you can't produce a 28 day record .... well that's your choice.

Having read the section (as you suggested), it did not correspond with what you said originally; that you must stay on EU rules for 28 days. I note that you have now edited that post. Having worked at a bus company that also did private hire, the rules were that you could do part of a stage carriage duty and then do a private hire (obviously in the latter, the vehicle has to have a tacho) but although you obviously retained the tacho chart (as they were then) for 28 days, it didn't mean that you could only operate under EU rules for 28 days. No records are required when operating on UK Domestic (as the rules state) BUT i assume that you could refer to the running card/way bill of which a stage carriage service will have, in the event of any investigation from the DVSA.

I do apologise, when I read my OP back it was misleading, I was always taught and in CPC that if you work on any EU shift you should keep a full record for 28 days, that way you know you have covered every base.... Bus Drivers in General will never use a Tacho so never enter into the potential minefield (Unless they are doing a service that does operate under EU) (few and far between) as a coach driver..... why wouldn't you protect yourself. As I said earlier most coach companies that operate 'school runs' are actually classed as Private Hire ..... I know I prefer my records fully completed especially when going onto the continent

[Nee_Anarchy]

A lot of people see this as open to 'interpretation' but you cross VOSA or one of the international equivalents, and you can't produce a 28 day record .... well that's your choice.

Having read the section (as you suggested), it did not correspond with what you said originally; that you must stay on EU rules for 28 days. I note that you have now edited that post. Having worked at a bus company that also did private hire, the rules were that you could do part of a stage carriage duty and then do a private hire (obviously in the latter, the vehicle has to have a tacho) but although you obviously retained the tacho chart (as they were then) for 28 days, it didn't mean that you could only operate under EU rules for 28 days. No records are required when operating on UK Domestic (as the rules state) BUT i assume that you could refer to the running card/way bill of which a stage carriage service will have, in the event of any investigation from the DVSA.

I do apologise, when I read my OP back it was misleading, I was always taught and in CPC that if you work on any EU shift you should keep a full record for 28 days, that way you know you have covered every base.... Bus Drivers in General will never use a Tacho so never enter into the potential minefield (Unless they are doing a service that does operate under EU) (few and far between) as a coach driver..... why wouldn't you protect yourself. As I said earlier most coach companies that operate 'school runs' are actually classed as Private Hire ..... I know I prefer my records fully completed especially when going onto the continent

No need to apologise... with all the "grey areas" in our industry, it's no wonder we sometimes interpret the many many rules and regs incorrectly sometimes. But most big bus companies will have a certain number of DP vehicles (dual purpose/tacho equipped) in their fleet so it follows that they have drivers who operate under both domestic and EU regs occasionally.

[kei+pneacn]

Having read the section (as you suggested), it did not correspond with what you said originally; that you must stay on EU rules for 28 days. I note that you have now edited that post. Having worked at a bus company that also did private hire, the rules were that you could do part of a stage carriage duty and then do a private hire (obviously in the latter, the vehicle has to have a tacho) but although you obviously retained the tacho chart (as they were then) for 28 days, it didn't mean that you could only operate under EU rules for 28 days. No records are required when operating on UK Domestic (as the rules state) BUT i assume that you could refer to the running card/way bill of which a stage carriage service will have, in the event of any investigation from the DVSA.

I do apologise, when I read my OP back it was misleading, I was always taught and in CPC that if you work on any EU shift you should keep a full record for 28 days, that way you know you have covered every base.... Bus Drivers in General will never use a Tacho so never enter into the potential minefield (Unless they are doing a service that does operate under EU) (few and far between) as a coach driver..... why wouldn't you protect yourself. As I said earlier most coach companies that operate 'school runs' are actually classed as Private Hire ..... I know I prefer my records fully completed especially when going onto the continent

No need to apologise... with all the "grey areas" in our industry, it's no wonder we sometimes interpret the many many rules and regs incorrectly sometimes. But most big bus companies will have a certain number of DP vehicles (dual purpose/tacho equipped) in their fleet so it follows that they have drivers who operate under both domestic and EU regs occasionally.

and also amazing how many of these big companies flaunt the rules, and as the drivers are generally relying on sheet clerks etc to keep them right, so many fall foul of the law ... interesting points of views. thanks

[Johitex-rae]

Bus driver stops at bus stops. Coach driver stops at hotels.

[trewayerJigg]

Bus driver stops at bus stops. Coach driver stops at hotels.

I drive a bus and stop at hotels

[Johitex-rae]

Bus driver stops at bus stops. Coach driver stops at hotels.

I drive a bus and stop at hotels

Then like me you don't take this shit too serious.

[trewayerJigg]

Bus driver stops at bus stops. Coach driver stops at hotels.

I drive a bus and stop at hotels

Then like me you don't take this shit too serious.

Nope, I get somewhere and leave the bus with people on sometimes

[GAREFORMLA]

A coach driver gets less pay than a bus driver

[LAURERHO]

A coach driver gets less pay than a bus driver

Yeah but more tips

[GAREFORMLA]

A coach driver gets less pay than a bus driver

Yeah but more tips

Not round here. Your lucky if you get told to not eat yellow snow

[LAURERHO]

A coach driver gets less pay than a bus driver

Yeah but more tips

Not round here. Your lucky if you get told to not eat yellow snow

That's a good tip

[GAREFORMLA]

Yeah but more tips

Not round here. Your lucky if you get told to not eat yellow snow

That's a good tip

Not as good a £10

[ferg7dros]

I drive both, I like both, simples

[Annic-Vano]

Buses don't have seatbelts!
Most 'coach' drivers refer to their coach as a coach unless they need to use a bus stop!

[edwan+rogs]

Buses don't have seatbelts!
Most 'coach' drivers refer to their coach as a coach unless they need to use a bus stop!

Wrong...there are buses kitted out with seatbelts for schools....

[Annic-Vano]

Buses don't have seatbelts!
Most 'coach' drivers refer to their coach as a coach unless they need to use a bus stop!

Wrong...there are buses kitted out with seatbelts for schools....

That's good to hear!! I think it's so wrong that 'most' buses don't have seat belts, ours don't here

[OWENDISU]

mmmm what about a band bus driver ??????

[Nee_Anarchy]

mmmm what about a band bus driver ??????

Shouldn't be driving if banned

[OWENDISU]

mmmm what about a band bus driver ??????

Shouldn't be driving if banned

Lol

[Holmessf]

I used to drive this. It is called The John Lennon Educational Tour BUS. We always called it 'the bus'.
Needed a truck licence to drive it though... bit confusing!

[tolli_2074]

Never done ding ding service in my life been driving since 1970,the difference friend is we smile, we have a toilet on board and there just sh*t house drivers like I've seen of so called coach drivers, whom have come from buses and think they know it all

[tolli_2074]

Some drivers need to check a dictionary to see what difference there is because it seems there still not educated,

[trewayerJigg]

Some drivers need to check a dictionary to see what difference there is because it seems there still not educated,

They're?

[Wesy_gnoxa]

Some drivers need to check a dictionary to see what difference there is because it seems there still not educated,

They're?

There are not there is

[GreGreed]

Bus Drivers don't have to talk or even acknowledge there passengers and are nowadays kept in a glass box Coach drivers have to keep there customers happy or they'd be out of a job and don't have a glass box when it does go wrong.

[Benddi69]

Bus driver from Leeds, so true lol,