Driver on my DCPC course said his horn isn't working, Transport manager said that's OK it a legal requirement. I've

[gottaha]

Driver on my DCPC course said his horn isn't working, Transport manager said that's OK it a legal requirement. I've told him it is a requirement, am I right or his manager?

[martinfe]

If it’s MOT testable it’s a legal requirement

[prinzer]

It is a legal requirement.

[Alancy]

It’s a mot failure. Definitely a legal requirement and should be defected.

[NanPierce]

Ask him or can you pass MoT without horn

[Iannken]

Even for a car it’s a legal requirement for any mot

[jjOcampy]

PG9 if not working.

[jame_scoria]

100% legal requirement

[gerralone]

To have a horn is a legal requirement.
Most trucks have two horns they both don’t have to work. So if one is still working that’s fine.

[Richard.Puff]

To have a horn is a legal requirement.
Most trucks have two horns they both don’t have to work. So if one is still working that’s fine.

hi, I think it’s the manufacturers horn as fitter which is the one which is required to work. I have a truck with air horns as well as the standard horn, the latter which must work and which would be mot’able! Hope that helps

[wintt4freen]

To have a horn is a legal requirement.
Most trucks have two horns they both don’t have to work. So if one is still working that’s fine.

hi, I think it’s the manufacturers horn as fitter which is the one which is required to work. I have a truck with air horns as well as the standard horn, the latter which must work and which would be mot’able! Hope that helps

thought it was just any horn? Manufacturer spec or not?

[gerralone]

To have a horn is a legal requirement.
Most trucks have two horns they both don’t have to work. So if one is still working that’s fine.

hi, I think it’s the manufacturers horn as fitter which is the one which is required to work. I have a truck with air horns as well as the standard horn, the latter which must work and which would be mot’able! Hope that helps

a lot of trucks have two horns as standard from manufacturer

[jimylly]

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[muda9ay]

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Hi Could you please share the file link to have full access of this document. Is it from GOV sites

[jimylly]

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Hi Could you please share the file link to have full access of this document. Is it from GOV sites

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... manual.pdf

[Kurisure]

It’s is a legal requirement or an MOT so it must be working at all times

[AmeeTinny]

IM27 - Horn not working at all, missing or emits a sound likely to be confused with an official siren is a delayed prohibition so yes - should be repaired before vehicle hits the road

[Jimpill]

If in doubt ask professional

[Markkos]

Would it fail an MOT?

[jackiews]

I think he needs a new manager!

[gottaha]

Thank you for all your replies..Wanted to show the driver that I was correct ..He says when he returns to work tomorrow his manager will ignore him.. Why send a driver on a course if the manager ignores the information that he's learnt and further the driver DCPC only a tick box system as he can't use what he's learnt ..I have said for the manager to contact me tomorrow, so I can support the driver ..Also 2 trucks 23 plate no VTG6 in cab ..

[benines]

Thank you for all your replies..Wanted to show the driver that I was correct ..He says when he returns to work tomorrow his manager will ignore him.. Why send a driver on a course if the manager ignores the information that he's learnt and further the driver DCPC only a tick box system as he can't use what he's learnt ..I have said for the manager to contact me tomorrow, so I can support the driver ..Also 2 trucks 23 plate no VTG6 in cab ..

Could still be waiting for the VTG6, I’ve waited over a year before now. God knows why, when surely they just need someone to press ‘print’.

[Colisman]

Thank you for all your replies..Wanted to show the driver that I was correct ..He says when he returns to work tomorrow his manager will ignore him.. Why send a driver on a course if the manager ignores the information that he's learnt and further the driver DCPC only a tick box system as he can't use what he's learnt ..I have said for the manager to contact me tomorrow, so I can support the driver ..Also 2 trucks 23 plate no VTG6 in cab ..

another MOT failure point then

[benines]

Thank you for all your replies..Wanted to show the driver that I was correct ..He says when he returns to work tomorrow his manager will ignore him.. Why send a driver on a course if the manager ignores the information that he's learnt and further the driver DCPC only a tick box system as he can't use what he's learnt ..I have said for the manager to contact me tomorrow, so I can support the driver ..Also 2 trucks 23 plate no VTG6 in cab ..

another MOT failure point then

you won’t fail a first MOT now for no plate, at least DVSA accept their own incompetence in that field. I’ve been in that position and they accepted a letter from me saying we were still waiting for the plate.

[Colisman]

Thank you for all your replies..Wanted to show the driver that I was correct ..He says when he returns to work tomorrow his manager will ignore him.. Why send a driver on a course if the manager ignores the information that he's learnt and further the driver DCPC only a tick box system as he can't use what he's learnt ..I have said for the manager to contact me tomorrow, so I can support the driver ..Also 2 trucks 23 plate no VTG6 in cab ..

another MOT failure point then

you won’t fail a first MOT now for no plate, at least DVSA accept their own incompetence in that field. I’ve been in that position and they accepted a letter from me saying we were still waiting for the plate.

yikes, industrial grade incompetence. I'm impressed they do allow it however.

[flavii]

Name and shame it ....company name ....manager name

[jinChat]

As a CPC trainer, is forum the place to check?

[Frankho]

As a CPC trainer, is forum the place to check?

where else is he supposed to check? Obviously not a Cpc course you all rave on about

[LeonGuy]

As a CPC trainer, is forum the place to check?

where else is he supposed to check? Obviously not a Cpc course you all rave on about

if only DVSA or UK Gov. provided online resourses. Also look at section 37 of the Road Vehicles construction and use Regulations.

[jinChat]

As a CPC trainer, is forum the place to check?

where else is he supposed to check? Obviously not a Cpc course you all rave on about

he's delivering the CPC course.
There are endless official documents where all the correct information is available

[Frankho]

As a CPC trainer, is forum the place to check?

where else is he supposed to check? Obviously not a Cpc course you all rave on about

he's delivering the CPC course.
There are endless official documents where all the correct information is available

but loads say the dcpc information is so needed and handy…………………evidently not. The ones running the course don’t have a clue themselves

[jinChat]

where else is he supposed to check? Obviously not a Cpc course you all rave on about

he's delivering the CPC course.
There are endless official documents where all the correct information is available

but loads say the dcpc information is so needed and handy…………………evidently not. The ones running the course don’t have a clue themselves

a generalisation!
I agree some are not up to the right standard, but some form of training is needed as drivers also get things wrong.

[Frankho]

he's delivering the CPC course.
There are endless official documents where all the correct information is available

but loads say the dcpc information is so needed and handy…………………evidently not. The ones running the course don’t have a clue themselves

a generalisation!
I agree some are not up to the right standard, but some form of training is needed as drivers also get things wrong.

what you expect when they get pulled from pillar to post by these so called experts handing out dcpc courses?? You ask them a serious question and watch them they be like “I’ll have to get back to you on that one!!”

[jinChat]

but loads say the dcpc information is so needed and handy…………………evidently not. The ones running the course don’t have a clue themselves

a generalisation!
I agree some are not up to the right standard, but some form of training is needed as drivers also get things wrong.

what you expect when they get pulled from pillar to post by these so called experts handing out dcpc courses?? You ask them a serious question and watch them they be like “I’ll have to get back to you on that one!!”

nobody knows everything.
There should be a higher standard though.

[BillStill]

but loads say the dcpc information is so needed and handy…………………evidently not. The ones running the course don’t have a clue themselves

a generalisation!
I agree some are not up to the right standard, but some form of training is needed as drivers also get things wrong.

what you expect when they get pulled from pillar to post by these so called experts handing out dcpc courses?? You ask them a serious question and watch them they be like “I’ll have to get back to you on that one!!”

come on Frankho, is it a legal requirement for your car horn to work? Yes it is! Common sense mate!

[Frankho]

a generalisation!
I agree some are not up to the right standard, but some form of training is needed as drivers also get things wrong.

what you expect when they get pulled from pillar to post by these so called experts handing out dcpc courses?? You ask them a serious question and watch them they be like “I’ll have to get back to you on that one!!”

come on Frankho, is it a legal requirement for your car horn to work? Yes it is! Common sense mate!

that wasn’t my issue it was all youse going on about importance of Cpc training yet Cpc trainer not having a scooby doo

[Frankho]

a generalisation!
I agree some are not up to the right standard, but some form of training is needed as drivers also get things wrong.

what you expect when they get pulled from pillar to post by these so called experts handing out dcpc courses?? You ask them a serious question and watch them they be like “I’ll have to get back to you on that one!!”

nobody knows everything.
There should be a higher standard though.

if you don’t know then don’t teach it. Refer back to owner and say not applicable

[BillStill]

what you expect when they get pulled from pillar to post by these so called experts handing out dcpc courses?? You ask them a serious question and watch them they be like “I’ll have to get back to you on that one!!”

come on Frankho, is it a legal requirement for your car horn to work? Yes it is! Common sense mate!

that wasn’t my issue it was all youse going on about importance of Cpc training yet Cpc trainer not having a scooby doo

not a common occurrence.

[gottaha]

As a CPC trainer, is forum the place to check?

where else is he supposed to check? Obviously not a Cpc course you all rave on about

he's delivering the CPC course.
There are endless official documents where all the correct information is available

yes as you get a quick answer without trawling through documents..As I said I knew the answer so photo shot the replies so driver can show his TM

[jinChat]

where else is he supposed to check? Obviously not a Cpc course you all rave on about

he's delivering the CPC course.
There are endless official documents where all the correct information is available

yes as you get a quick answer without trawling through documents..As I said I knew the answer so photo shot the replies so driver can show his TM

photo shot answers would not convince me. A link to the legalization would.

[wayupp]

Cat of D manual states Delayed prohibition. It needs to work.

[januj]

Simple rule of thumb - if it needs to be correct for the MOT it always needs to be correct.

[richielte]

I do wonder what planet some are on

[gottaha]

I do wonder what planet some are on

The reason I asked on this forum is because you get an answer quick to save time looking through documents. Never afraid to ask a question as every day a school day.

[richielte]

I do wonder what planet some are on

The reason I asked on this forum is because you get an answer quick to save time looking through documents. Never afraid to ask a question as every day a school day.

I wasn't referring to you, it's the fact that we have another TM out there practicing that hasn't got a Scrooby do what they are doing
The TM CPC course and exams are a total joke

[gottaha]

I do wonder what planet some are on

The reason I asked on this forum is because you get an answer quick to save time looking through documents. Never afraid to ask a question as every day a school day.

I wasn't referring to you, it's the fact that we have another TM out there practicing that hasn't got a Scrooby do what they are doing
The TM CPC course and exams are a total joke

thanks Richielte but else can we educate TMs? The company I was dealing with gave a restricted licence so the so called manager telling driver all good to go and driver knows it isn't..Easy for me to say don't drive but in reality we both know what happens..

[richielte]

The reason I asked on this forum is because you get an answer quick to save time looking through documents. Never afraid to ask a question as every day a school day.

I wasn't referring to you, it's the fact that we have another TM out there practicing that hasn't got a Scrooby do what they are doing
The TM CPC course and exams are a total joke

thanks Richielte but else can we educate TMs? The company I was dealing with gave a restricted licence so the so called manager telling driver all good to go and driver knows it isn't..Easy for me to say don't drive but in reality we both know what happens..

Even on a restricted licence, there must be a competent person they don't sound very competent.