Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

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roscio
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Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

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I have a client who insists this vehicle doesn't need a crash bar/rear under run as "he" classes it as a tipper. The vehicle is a 26T 6×2 and has been modified from a drop side to a tipper in his own work shop. Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run. (Apart from the fact it looks like a death trap)
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dewida
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I would say it 100% needs a rear bar
Amritel
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Look in the DVSA HGV inspection manual, defect & enforcement manuals.
I dont think Type approval is relevant in this.
Also different if going into London etc.
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Re: Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

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It’s all in the Manuel , black n white
dewida
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Maybe run it in to a test station…. I’m sure they’ll advise accordingly
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Send it for a MOT
marigo
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Re: Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

Post by marigo »

Even tippers have bumpers.
Some have hinge to lift them up.
It had to been Moted somehow what may be interesting.
Neligit
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marigo wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:40 am Even tippers have bumpers.
Some have hinge to lift them up.
It had to been Moted somehow what may be interesting.
the 8x4 tipper I drive, just has had a mot, and it doesn't have a rear bumper, a lot of them don't have, I was surprised to found out myself too.
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Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:42 am
marigo wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:40 am Even tippers have bumpers.
Some have hinge to lift them up.
It had to been Moted somehow what may be interesting.
the 8x4 tipper I drive, just has had a mot, and it doesn't have a rear bumper, a lot of them don't have, I was surprised to found out myself too.
can you post a picture, I bet it doesn't just finish with the 2 chassis rails sticking a metre out the back at car bonnet height.
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Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:42 am
Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:42 am
marigo wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:40 am Even tippers have bumpers.
Some have hinge to lift them up.
It had to been Moted somehow what may be interesting.
the 8x4 tipper I drive, just has had a mot, and it doesn't have a rear bumper, a lot of them don't have, I was surprised to found out myself too.
can you post a picture, I bet it doesn't just finish with the 2 chassis rails sticking a metre out the back at car bonnet height.
if you ask me is a death trap, I Don't have the unit with me
Jelaxxs
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Re: Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

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Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:43 am
Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:42 am
Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:42 am

the 8x4 tipper I drive, just has had a mot, and it doesn't have a rear bumper, a lot of them don't have, I was surprised to found out myself too.
can you post a picture, I bet it doesn't just finish with the 2 chassis rails sticking a metre out the back at car bonnet height.
if you ask me is a death trap, I Don't have the unit with me
sorry, I was after a picture of your 8x4
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Re: Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

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Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:43 am
Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:43 am
Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:42 am

can you post a picture, I bet it doesn't just finish with the 2 chassis rails sticking a metre out the back at car bonnet height.
if you ask me is a death trap, I Don't have the unit with me
sorry, I was after a picture of your 8x4
will post tomorrow, I saw your comment after finish work
as you see the end chassis are there, and the stop bar is winscreen high, death trap
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Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:44 am
Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:43 am
Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:43 am

if you ask me is a death trap, I Don't have the unit with me
sorry, I was after a picture of your 8x4
will post tomorrow, I saw your comment after finish work
as you see the end chassis are there, and the stop bar is winscreen high, death trap
and a rear axle and 4 thumping great big rubber tyres.
Neligit
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Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:45 am
Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:44 am
Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:43 am

sorry, I was after a picture of your 8x4
will post tomorrow, I saw your comment after finish work
as you see the end chassis are there, and the stop bar is winscreen high, death trap
and a rear axle and 4 thumping great big rubber tyres.
if a smart, Toyota aygo, of any of this small car hit it, people doesn't stand a chance
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Re: Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

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Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:45 am
Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:45 am
Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:44 am

will post tomorrow, I saw your comment after finish work
as you see the end chassis are there, and the stop bar is winscreen high, death trap
and a rear axle and 4 thumping great big rubber tyres.
if a smart, Toyota aygo, of any of this small car hit it, people doesn't stand a chance
rear axlewill be good meter a way from back of vehicle.
and tyres are good half meter.
Many vehicles will dive under easy getting windscreen smashed to chassis before them even start taking impact force /folding on them axles and tyres.
Jelaxxs
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marigo wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:46 am
Neligit wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:45 am
Jelaxxs wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:45 am

and a rear axle and 4 thumping great big rubber tyres.
if a smart, Toyota aygo, of any of this small car hit it, people doesn't stand a chance
rear axlewill be good meter a way from back of vehicle.
and tyres are good half meter.
Many vehicles will dive under easy getting windscreen smashed to chassis before them even start taking impact force /folding on them axles and tyres.
But the chassis rails on the first example will slice through the car like a knife in butter. The exposed rails is the real issue. Sure, hitting a regular tipper ain't going to be pretty but at least you ain't going under it.
gerralone
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Re: Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

Post by gerralone »

Is ask the dvsa to be sure. To my knowledge a tipper is just a definition in the manual, as a vehicle that discharges to the rear. It doesn’t say who made it do that. But in todays world I’d check incase the rules have changed, then your covered
dewida
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Re: Would I be right in saying it isn't type approval and would need a crash bar/rear under run.

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A typical 32t tipper. (2014 plate).
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