Quick question!! Where you’ve had an MOT failure, no PG9 issued, would you notify this to the Traffic Commissioner?

[Laurath1467]

Good afternoon
Quick question!! Where you’ve had an MOT failure, no PG9 issued, would you notify this to the Traffic Commissioner?

[RobMoff]

Yes. Because in all likelihood, your OCRS score will be screwed.

[Barductio]

Check your OCRS score.
It is PG9 with delay or immediate effect.
Start your own investigation, ( that will show you are doing something against) what is the reason for MOT and PG9 do everything on paper and keep it.

[RobMoff]

I’d be having a a strong word with your service partner too. That’s the whole point of the pre mot, any issues should be found and resolved before the test.

[christero]

Depends what it’s for I think. Had one for a dashboard warning light and it didn’t come up on ocrs. Think it was a dpf light

[Doddson]

Depends what it’s for I think. Had one for a dashboard warning light and it didn’t come up on ocrs. Think it was a dpf light

I would say it’s a error at DVSA, or the vehicle isn’t on the O-Licence for some reason, as a failure should always come up on the OCRS as a negative event for failure unless the truck isn’t on the O-Licence.
It’s also 50 points for a MOT failure due to tyre, & 25 points for any other defects on the OCRS.

[christero]

Depends what it’s for I think. Had one for a dashboard warning light and it didn’t come up on ocrs. Think it was a dpf light

I would say it’s a error at DVSA, or the vehicle isn’t on the O-Licence for some reason, as a failure should always come up on the OCRS as a negative event for failure unless the truck isn’t on the O-Licence.
It’s also 50 points for a MOT failure due to tyre, & 25 points for any other defects on the OCRS.

hmm. Strange. The MOT provider seemed pretty confident it wouldn’t be an issue and it definitely never showed on the OCRS

[Doddson]

Depends what it’s for I think. Had one for a dashboard warning light and it didn’t come up on ocrs. Think it was a dpf light

I would say it’s a error at DVSA, or the vehicle isn’t on the O-Licence for some reason, as a failure should always come up on the OCRS as a negative event for failure unless the truck isn’t on the O-Licence.
It’s also 50 points for a MOT failure due to tyre, & 25 points for any other defects on the OCRS.

hmm. Strange. The MOT provider seemed pretty confident it wouldn’t be an issue and it definitely never showed on the OCRS

When was this? As things with OCRS have changed since the OCRS being back up & running.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/use-the-ope ... crs-system

[christero]

I would say it’s a error at DVSA, or the vehicle isn’t on the O-Licence for some reason, as a failure should always come up on the OCRS as a negative event for failure unless the truck isn’t on the O-Licence.
It’s also 50 points for a MOT failure due to tyre, & 25 points for any other defects on the OCRS.

hmm. Strange. The MOT provider seemed pretty confident it wouldn’t be an issue and it definitely never showed on the OCRS

When was this? As things with OCRS have changed since the OCRS being back up & running.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/use-the-ope ... crs-system

was only about 6 months ago. Definitely didn’t have any impact.

[Laurath1467]

It was headlight alignment being slightly out

[rimanceXP]

It was headlight alignment being slightly out

no, but it will show up on your ocrs

[kanterci]

It was headlight alignment being slightly out

we had that some time ago, used 3 different alignment tester and each gave a different result. We now do a volunteer one at the test centre right before the MOT.

[Barductio]

It was headlight alignment being slightly out

Are you sure? They should adjust straight away and give you points. I had that issue before they gave me 25point for each.
I had Vehicle failed for loose nuts on airbag and I had 50points+50 from lights from last year and my OCRS is still on green, but I had some positive events plus full check on all documents and 1truck. They came on my yard.

[Laurath1467]

Thank you. There’s no issue with our OCRS, we’re green I was just wondering what the general view was on notifying the TC on the failure. As I said we wasn’t given a PG9 which I’m aware you must notify the TC if this happens

[princern]

A long hard discussion with your maintenance provider first and a then a well written note to the TC's office explaining why it happened and what you have done to stop it happening again. It will sit with your OCRS score for a couple of years.

[davelian]

Maintenance providers should have an OCRS score of their own!
They don't really give a shit if it fails or not

[Prienic181]

Maintenance providers should have an OCRS score of their own!
They don't really give a shit if it fails or not

I know two guys that really do care. More than me. And one is my maintenance provider.

[davelian]

Maintenance providers should have an OCRS score of their own!
They don't really give a shit if it fails or not

I know two guys that really do care. More than me. And one is my maintenance provider.

you're very lucky then!

[Prienic181]

Maintenance providers should have an OCRS score of their own!
They don't really give a shit if it fails or not

I know two guys that really do care. More than me. And one is my maintenance provider.

you're very lucky then!

no. Just refuse to use guys who don’t care. I’ve moved away from a couple like that.

[davelian]

I know two guys that really do care. More than me. And one is my maintenance provider.

you're very lucky then!

no. Just refuse to use guys who don’t care. I’ve moved away from a couple like that.

me too. I'm happy with my current maintenance guys

[brettmen]

Maintenance providers should have an OCRS score of their own!
They don't really give a shit if it fails or not

I totally agree... although the TC says its upto the operator to do there due diligence against the maintenance provider, how this is done is beyond me? If they say there pass rate is X then you have to believe them.
Having there own OCRS Score to me makes perfect sense, they are then responsible for the own work and the operator can then do the own "due diligence" and check out how good they are... like would you use a maintenance provider if they was on RED?? like hell you would!

[davelian]

Maintenance providers should have an OCRS score of their own!
They don't really give a shit if it fails or not

I totally agree... although the TC says its upto the operator to do there due diligence against the maintenance provider, how this is done is beyond me? If they say there pass rate is X then you have to believe them.
Having there own OCRS Score to me makes perfect sense, they are then responsible for the own work and the operator can then do the own "due diligence" and check out how good they are... like would you use a maintenance provider if they was on RED?? like hell you would!

absolutely mate. I might start a petition on the Gov website to try to get this implemented

[brettmen]

Maintenance providers should have an OCRS score of their own!
They don't really give a shit if it fails or not

I totally agree... although the TC says its upto the operator to do there due diligence against the maintenance provider, how this is done is beyond me? If they say there pass rate is X then you have to believe them.
Having there own OCRS Score to me makes perfect sense, they are then responsible for the own work and the operator can then do the own "due diligence" and check out how good they are... like would you use a maintenance provider if they was on RED?? like hell you would!

absolutely mate. I might start a petition on the Gov website to try to get this implemented

go for it

[Saecoom]

The should of let you rectify it at test and PRS you.

[Jamesis]

MOT fails affet your OCRS score immediately

[ummarre]

personally I would. The TC has power under S26(1)(1) failure to notify material change which also includes “an offence in relation to a goods vehicle relating to the maintenance of vehicles in a fit and serviceable condition, or overloading, or the licensing of drivers”. Failure to declare could result in regulatory action. It would be NFA but you’ve complied with the licensing conditions.

[Slipstream]

Maintenance providers should have an OCRS score of their own!
They don't really give a shit if it fails or not

I'm TM for a main dealer - trust me we care, our franchise manufacturer cares and we have sacked mechanics because of failures - no one takes it lightly.