Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
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Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
If you were paying £100 and hour some twat would want £101!
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I think what needs addressing more is the fact that most companies expect you to do overtime and use tip work as an advertisement to boost wages!
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Personally I think the salary should be around the 40k mark. The average uk wage is just over 25k for 40 hours.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
So if you are expecting someone to work 60ish then the wage should be up there with that.
Any tips or extras on top.
Any tips or extras on top.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
We’re classed as professional drivers!! So should be paid Accordingly. So minimum of £13 a hour!! We transport people safely to and from work and school and everything in between!!
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We get so much grief for the job we do!! We’re always in the wrong. Guilty until proven innocent!! We need to remember they are not a number but a vital part of the company!!!
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I think professional drivers should get a wage that reflects the responsibility they have, however, the customer / end user won’t pay the going rate to hire a coach.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Operators have two choices, be a busy fool by reducing hire rates to try and keep drivers in work, pay running costs and so on, or charge the correct hire rates and run the risk of not having the work needed to survive. Unfortunately it’s a very fine line.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Wages should be between you and your staff.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
What works for one location won’t work for another… wages should not be divulged on here or to general public
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
you work for management??
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
On a bonus? So what do you think minim wage should be compared to a professional driver?MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:48 pm What works for one location won’t work for another… wages should not be divulged on here or to general public
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I think I said wages should be between directors & staff.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
No one else’s business.Charlee-kinn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:49 pmOn a bonus? So what do you think minim wage should be compared to a professional driver?MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:48 pm What works for one location won’t work for another… wages should not be divulged on here or to general public
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Wages should be like train drivers or airline pilots as we have more to deal with
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Yes. 100%.PeriPercento wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:50 pm Wages should be like train drivers or airline pilots as we have more to deal with
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Let’s all get the same as pilots.. because the responsibility is the Same right?PeriPercento wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:50 pm Wages should be like train drivers or airline pilots as we have more to deal with
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
The days when poverty level wages were a secret between an an employer and his debt ridden employee are thankfully over. I don’t see why my taxes should make up an employees wages in order that the his boss can become ever increasingly wealthy Did you want us to subsidies your diesel and maintenance costs as well.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I appreciate that Covid has hit passenger numbers and cheap labour from Eastern Europe has dried up. It’s life. Some poorly run and unprofitable businesses will fail. The fact of life is that there is a shortage of labour, especially skilled labour, and that the skill set of bus drivers is easily transferable to the logistics industry which is paying somewhere in the region of £18 ~ £25 ph.MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:48 pm What works for one location won’t work for another… wages should not be divulged on here or to general public
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Accepting there are differences between the two professions I find it difficult that drivers should be paid any less than £13 ph basic at the very least.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Yeah. And? Wages should be between employer & employee. Not for public consumptionnicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:52 pm Accepting there are differences between the two professions I find it difficult that drivers should be paid any less than £13 ph basic at the very least.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I think the days of a wealthy operator are a distant memory, I certainly don’t know any. I’m not trying to justify poorly paid professional drivers.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:51 pmThe days when poverty level wages were a secret between an an employer and his debt ridden employee are thankfully over. I don’t see why my taxes should make up an employees wages in order that the his boss can become ever increasingly wealthy Did you want us to subsidies your diesel and maintenance costs as well.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
The issue has not been created by the employer, it’s a combination of spiraling overheads whereas the cost of hiring a coach has remained relatively unchanged for years.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:52 pmI appreciate that Covid has hit passenger numbers and cheap labour from Eastern Europe has dried up. It’s life. Some poorly run and unprofitable businesses will fail. The fact of life is that there is a shortage of labour, especially skilled labour, and that the skill set of bus drivers is easily transferable to the logistics industry which is paying somewhere in the region of £18 ~ £25 ph.MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:48 pm What works for one location won’t work for another… wages should not be divulged on here or to general public
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
As an ex transport manager I do sympathize especially with coach operators who I understand weren’t able to claim various Govt payments during the earlier period of the crisis.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:53 pmI think the days of a wealthy operator are a distant memory, I certainly don’t know any. I’m not trying to justify poorly paid professional drivers.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:51 pmThe days when poverty level wages were a secret between an an employer and his debt ridden employee are thankfully over. I don’t see why my taxes should make up an employees wages in order that the his boss can become ever increasingly wealthy Did you want us to subsidies your diesel and maintenance costs as well.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
In return I’m sure you understand my frustration at the tax payer having to subsidies the passenger transport industry (and indeed many other industries) because of unrealistic wages paid by employers.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:54 pmThe issue has not been created by the employer, it’s a combination of spiraling overheads whereas the cost of hiring a coach has remained relatively unchanged for years.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:52 pmI appreciate that Covid has hit passenger numbers and cheap labour from Eastern Europe has dried up. It’s life. Some poorly run and unprofitable businesses will fail. The fact of life is that there is a shortage of labour, especially skilled labour, and that the skill set of bus drivers is easily transferable to the logistics industry which is paying somewhere in the region of £18 ~ £25 ph.MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:48 pm What works for one location won’t work for another… wages should not be divulged on here or to general public
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I see that the £13 ph wages which I suggest are already being paid by some forward thinking companies.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:54 pmThe issue has not been created by the employer, it’s a combination of spiraling overheads whereas the cost of hiring a coach has remained relatively unchanged for years.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:52 pmI appreciate that Covid has hit passenger numbers and cheap labour from Eastern Europe has dried up. It’s life. Some poorly run and unprofitable businesses will fail. The fact of life is that there is a shortage of labour, especially skilled labour, and that the skill set of bus drivers is easily transferable to the logistics industry which is paying somewhere in the region of £18 ~ £25 ph.MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:48 pm What works for one location won’t work for another… wages should not be divulged on here or to general public
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I understand and appreciate that the salary for PCV drivers is far from ideal and somewhat behind other sectors. I agree in better pay and conditions for our industry.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:54 pmAs an ex transport manager I do sympathize especially with coach operators who I understand weren’t able to claim various Govt payments during the earlier period of the crisis.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:53 pmI think the days of a wealthy operator are a distant memory, I certainly don’t know any. I’m not trying to justify poorly paid professional drivers.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:51 pm
The days when poverty level wages were a secret between an an employer and his debt ridden employee are thankfully over. I don’t see why my taxes should make up an employees wages in order that the his boss can become ever increasingly wealthy Did you want us to subsidies your diesel and maintenance costs as well.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Most operators would like to charge the correct rate but rates are customer driven. The industry needs to change but it’s an age old issue.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:55 pmIn return I’m sure you understand my frustration at the tax payer having to subsidies the passenger transport industry (and indeed many other industries) because of unrealistic wages paid by employers.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:54 pmThe issue has not been created by the employer, it’s a combination of spiraling overheads whereas the cost of hiring a coach has remained relatively unchanged for years.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:52 pm
I appreciate that Covid has hit passenger numbers and cheap labour from Eastern Europe has dried up. It’s life. Some poorly run and unprofitable businesses will fail. The fact of life is that there is a shortage of labour, especially skilled labour, and that the skill set of bus drivers is easily transferable to the logistics industry which is paying somewhere in the region of £18 ~ £25 ph.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
With the haulage sector ~ salary rates have increased to satisfy demand but the cost to haul goods also increased, however, it’s the end user ultimately picks up the tab as everything we buy is increasing in cost.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:55 pmI see that the £13 ph wages which I suggest are already being paid by some forward thinking companies.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:54 pmThe issue has not been created by the employer, it’s a combination of spiraling overheads whereas the cost of hiring a coach has remained relatively unchanged for years.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:52 pm
I appreciate that Covid has hit passenger numbers and cheap labour from Eastern Europe has dried up. It’s life. Some poorly run and unprofitable businesses will fail. The fact of life is that there is a shortage of labour, especially skilled labour, and that the skill set of bus drivers is easily transferable to the logistics industry which is paying somewhere in the region of £18 ~ £25 ph.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
it is sadly a vicious circle but carrying on paying an inadequate living wage is not only immoral but forced drivers out of the industry.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:56 pmI understand and appreciate that the salary for PCV drivers is far from ideal and somewhat behind other sectors. I agree in better pay and conditions for our industry.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:54 pmAs an ex transport manager I do sympathize especially with coach operators who I understand weren’t able to claim various Govt payments during the earlier period of the crisis.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:53 pm
I think the days of a wealthy operator are a distant memory, I certainly don’t know any. I’m not trying to justify poorly paid professional drivers.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
No drivers, no industry..653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:56 pmMost operators would like to charge the correct rate but rates are customer driven. The industry needs to change but it’s an age old issue.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:55 pmIn return I’m sure you understand my frustration at the tax payer having to subsidies the passenger transport industry (and indeed many other industries) because of unrealistic wages paid by employers.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:54 pm
The issue has not been created by the employer, it’s a combination of spiraling overheads whereas the cost of hiring a coach has remained relatively unchanged for years.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Anyway Aneellum, it’s been a pleasure chatting to someone who can put forward a sensible argument. Take care.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:56 pmWith the haulage sector ~ salary rates have increased to satisfy demand but the cost to haul goods also increased, however, it’s the end user ultimately picks up the tab as everything we buy is increasing in cost.nicky2land wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:55 pmI see that the £13 ph wages which I suggest are already being paid by some forward thinking companies.653_aneellum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:54 pm
The issue has not been created by the employer, it’s a combination of spiraling overheads whereas the cost of hiring a coach has remained relatively unchanged for years.
Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
It does not matter what we want if you live in essex where there is no shortage of drivers your get crap pay like I do
Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
£9.24 a hour the best in this area is £13.50 but that’s just 1 company the rest all pay the same sort of money
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if you are going to work for £9.24 must be a poor driver whit 11 points on your licence and S£££ DBS
I have ABCDE with 0 points for the beginning.. I used to drove more than 30 routes in Red bus LONDON... other 8 routes in ESSEX.. lorries..
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Now coach driver... But I will stay home under £13/h
When you enjoy driving and you are confident YOU choose where to drive no sh@@@ company’s to choose you
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it’s the going rate here in north Essexjeenesse.664 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:00 pmNow coach driver... But I will stay home under £13/h
When you enjoy driving and you are confident YOU choose where to drive no sh@@@ company’s to choose you
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If your going to pay £15 an hour you want a smart driver that cleans coaches and doesn’t hit them!
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I suppose the adage ‘you pay peanuts you get monkeys’ springs to mind
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or if you pay more you just get expensive idiots?guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:01 pmI suppose the adage ‘you pay peanuts you get monkeys’ springs to mind
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
maybe maybe not, but many have left the industry through no fault of their own and found other work so something needs to be done to entice them back or attract new ones…MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pmor if you pay more you just get expensive idiots?guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:01 pmI suppose the adage ‘you pay peanuts you get monkeys’ springs to mind
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Not all are expensive idiots… The race to the bottom continues… Plenty of greedy operators that cut corners to make more…MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pmor if you pay more you just get expensive idiots?guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:01 pmI suppose the adage ‘you pay peanuts you get monkeys’ springs to mind
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
if you need to cut corners to make more your business plan is wrong.guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pmmaybe maybe not, but many have left the industry through no fault of their own and found other work so something needs to be done to entice them back or attract new ones…MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pmor if you pay more you just get expensive idiots?guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:01 pm
I suppose the adage ‘you pay peanuts you get monkeys’ springs to mind
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Charge the right price. Have the right vehiclesguyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pmNot all are expensive idiots… The race to the bottom continues… Plenty of greedy operators that cut corners to make more…MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pmor if you pay more you just get expensive idiots?guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:01 pm
I suppose the adage ‘you pay peanuts you get monkeys’ springs to mind
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
oh I agree but many will undercut just to get work, refuse to pay parking, poor maintenance etc…MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:03 pmif you need to cut corners to make more your business plan is wrong.guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pmmaybe maybe not, but many have left the industry through no fault of their own and found other work so something needs to be done to entice them back or attract new ones…
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Plenty of crap employers as well as employeesMatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:03 pmCharge the right price. Have the right vehiclesguyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pmNot all are expensive idiots… The race to the bottom continues… Plenty of greedy operators that cut corners to make more…
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
that’s the problem with the industry!guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:04 pmoh I agree but many will undercut just to get work, refuse to pay parking, poor maintenance etc…MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:03 pmif you need to cut corners to make more your business plan is wrong.guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pm
maybe maybe not, but many have left the industry through no fault of their own and found other work so something needs to be done to entice them back or attract new ones…
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I know of companies who sacked their drivers at the start of covid then furloughed them all. Drivers never got a penny.guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:04 pmPlenty of crap employers as well as employeesMatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:03 pmCharge the right price. Have the right vehiclesguyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:02 pm
Not all are expensive idiots… The race to the bottom continues… Plenty of greedy operators that cut corners to make more…
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
I was one of those, changed jobs just before the pandemic, got laid off, now retrained… more money less hours… where’s the incentive to return to coaches?MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:04 pmthat’s the problem with the industry!guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:04 pmoh I agree but many will undercut just to get work, refuse to pay parking, poor maintenance etc…MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:03 pm
if you need to cut corners to make more your business plan is wrong.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
The company had the cheek to phone me in June to ask if I could cover some tours for them! I politely declined their offerMatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:05 pmI know of companies who sacked their drivers at the start of covid then furloughed them all. Drivers never got a penny.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
that’s unnecessary.. we didn’t lay anyone off, utilized Furlough when necessary. Even helped some others… and employed a fewguyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:05 pmI was one of those, changed jobs just before the pandemic, got laid off, now retrained… more money less hours… where’s the incentive to return to coaches?MatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:04 pmthat’s the problem with the industry!guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:04 pm
oh I agree but many will undercut just to get work, refuse to pay parking, poor maintenance etc…
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
treat people how you expect to be treated… yes occasionally your disappointed but sometimes people are just grateful…guyesse-663 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:06 pmThe company had the cheek to phone me in June to ask if I could cover some tours for them! I politely declined their offerMatthKKaven wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:05 pmI know of companies who sacked their drivers at the start of covid then furloughed them all. Drivers never got a penny.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
Not a straightforward answer, to pay more we must charge more, and to charge more businesses and customers must spend (and therefore earn) more.
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Re: Hello guys, What do all drivers think the hourly rate should be and why? Do operators agree?
And so the cycle repeats…
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