What would be a quote for an External TM for a 4x4 that is towing from time to time? Is it the same as a lorry?

[Coslle-Gino]

What would be a quote for an External TM for a 4x4 that is towing from time to time? Is it the same as a lorry? (Will be installing a tacho on it soon)

[kevinju]

Where are you

[Coslle-Gino]

Where are you

manchester

[kevinju]

Where are you

manchester

sorry to far for me good luck

[Martynet]

It's still taking a space on the TM allowance. So gets charged accordingly.
Would you charge less to deliver 10 kilos of Lead, over 10 kilos of feathers. Because it takes less room?

[Coslle-Gino]

It's still taking a space on the TM allowance. So gets charged accordingly.
Would you charge less to deliver 10 kilos of Lead, over 10 kilos of feathers. Because it takes less room?

well... it's also about affordability.. I am clearly not making the same amount of money as a lorry owner driver ....
I cannot afford to pay 4-5 k per year from towing... just weighing my options... I might go for the tm course myself rather than get bankrupt
I guess it's easy to see only your point of view and feel slightly triggered..
Not sure if by comparing same weight of lead&feathers you mean it would be the same amount of work for a tm regardless if it's an hgv or a 4x4.

[Martynet]

It's still taking a space on the TM allowance. So gets charged accordingly.
Would you charge less to deliver 10 kilos of Lead, over 10 kilos of feathers. Because it takes less room?

well... it's also about affordability.. I am clearly not making the same amount of money as a lorry owner driver ....
I cannot afford to pay 4-5 k per year from towing... just weighing my options... I might go for the tm course myself rather than get bankrupt
I guess it's easy to see only your point of view and feel slightly triggered..
Not sure if by comparing same weight of lead&feathers you mean it would be the same amount of work for a tm regardless if it's an hgv or a 4x4.

your pricing policy is your business. But, that's not a reason to pay someone less, for doing the same job.

[zach+abee]

It's still taking a space on the TM allowance. So gets charged accordingly.
Would you charge less to deliver 10 kilos of Lead, over 10 kilos of feathers. Because it takes less room?

well... it's also about affordability.. I am clearly not making the same amount of money as a lorry owner driver ....
I cannot afford to pay 4-5 k per year from towing... just weighing my options... I might go for the tm course myself rather than get bankrupt
I guess it's easy to see only your point of view and feel slightly triggered..
Not sure if by comparing same weight of lead&feathers you mean it would be the same amount of work for a tm regardless if it's an hgv or a 4x4.

The issue is that an ETM can only work for 4 operators, (50 vehicle max) so your single 4x4 is still taking up the same space as an operator with a single 44 tonner.
And the fact of you only working occasionally makes no difference, you're still taking up the same space on an ETMs potential to earn money as that 44 tonner that's working round the clock with multiple drivers.
The only way to make this work is to get yourself qualified as a TM, but a lot of people can't cut the mustard, it's not a tick-box MCQ exam, so you'll need some commitment.
For £78 you can see what it is you'll need to know
https://www.eostraining.com/product/roa ... ingle-set/

[Coslle-Gino]

It's still taking a space on the TM allowance. So gets charged accordingly.
Would you charge less to deliver 10 kilos of Lead, over 10 kilos of feathers. Because it takes less room?

well... it's also about affordability.. I am clearly not making the same amount of money as a lorry owner driver ....
I cannot afford to pay 4-5 k per year from towing... just weighing my options... I might go for the tm course myself rather than get bankrupt
I guess it's easy to see only your point of view and feel slightly triggered..
Not sure if by comparing same weight of lead&feathers you mean it would be the same amount of work for a tm regardless if it's an hgv or a 4x4.

The issue is that an ETM can only work for 4 operators, (50 vehicle max) so your single 4x4 is still taking up the same space as an operator with a single 44 tonner.
And the fact of you only working occasionally makes no difference, you're still taking up the same space on an ETMs potential to earn money as that 44 tonner that's working round the clock with multiple drivers.
The only way to make this work is to get yourself qualified as a TM, but a lot of people can't cut the mustard, it's not a tick-box MCQ exam, so you'll need some commitment.
For £78 you can see what it is you'll need to know
https://www.eostraining.com/product/roa ... ingle-set/

I didn't know this. Thank you for clarifying

[roneed]

well... it's also about affordability.. I am clearly not making the same amount of money as a lorry owner driver ....
I cannot afford to pay 4-5 k per year from towing... just weighing my options... I might go for the tm course myself rather than get bankrupt
I guess it's easy to see only your point of view and feel slightly triggered..
Not sure if by comparing same weight of lead&feathers you mean it would be the same amount of work for a tm regardless if it's an hgv or a 4x4.

The issue is that an ETM can only work for 4 operators, (50 vehicle max) so your single 4x4 is still taking up the same space as an operator with a single 44 tonner.
And the fact of you only working occasionally makes no difference, you're still taking up the same space on an ETMs potential to earn money as that 44 tonner that's working round the clock with multiple drivers.
The only way to make this work is to get yourself qualified as a TM, but a lot of people can't cut the mustard, it's not a tick-box MCQ exam, so you'll need some commitment.
For £78 you can see what it is you'll need to know
https://www.eostraining.com/product/roa ... ingle-set/

I didn't know this. Thank you for clarifying

if you can't afford to pay such a measly amount, I suggest you best take time out and do it yourself. Because it's simply not worth taking up a space for that money

[markroom]

Sent you a dm

[incaRida]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

[MaInlove]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

£500 min... once a week min is it worth the travel if not?

[incaRida]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

£500 min... once a week min is it worth the travel if not?

I agree but your gona find the market has now been flooded with idiots doing it for 350 now

[paunium]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

£500 min... once a week min is it worth the travel if not?

might only be down the road.

[MaInlove]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

£500 min... once a week min is it worth the travel if not?

might only be down the road.

it would need to be ... too many busy fools... no point doing it if you're not earning well... £500.00 a month isn't earning well unless it's one lorry with a permanent v.o.r!

[paunium]

£500 min... once a week min is it worth the travel if not?

might only be down the road.

it would need to be ... too many busy fools... no point doing it if you're not earning well... £500.00 a month isn't earning well unless it's one lorry with a permanent v.o.r!

not everyone is in it for the money.

[MaInlove]

might only be down the road.

it would need to be ... too many busy fools... no point doing it if you're not earning well... £500.00 a month isn't earning well unless it's one lorry with a permanent v.o.r!

not everyone is in it for the money.

enjoy your retirement... I work to provide... b and q is available for those that want smiley faces

[alundp]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

why should it be £450 ? Nobody sets my rates for me

[incaRida]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

why should it be £450 ? Nobody sets my rates for me

I was speaking about the average

[alundp]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

why should it be £450 ? Nobody sets my rates for me

I was speaking about the average

but people get it into their head that they should only be paying that

[paunium]

Yes is the answer should be 450for first

why should it be £450 ? Nobody sets my rates for me

I was speaking about the average

average based on what?

[incaRida]

why should it be £450 ? Nobody sets my rates for me

I was speaking about the average

average based on what?

through the UK but I will be honest I've lost a few to people charging 350 for the first then 100 any other truck complete joke

[alundp]

No reason why it wouldn’t be charged the same, it’s one of their 4 allowed

[Intcatot]

I have sent you a message

[Simonwalk]

If you're taking both an operator and an allocation from their allowance, charge would be the same

[Waynebu]

As a TM we get 4 spaces regardless of one vehicle on each operators license or 50 across all 4 licenses, so you are unlikely to get a quality manager for much under £450 a month. If you do they are likely to be near vehicle capacity as they manage larger companies and have operator space but not many vehicles.
At the end of the day the TM has to go on regular training, keep up to date, maintain vehicle and computers as well as make a living.
The risk to a TM is as. Part time operator their is a higher chance the operator will not be as worried at maintaining the TMs good repute as an operator who is working full time and knows their only or main income is based on keeping the TM’s good repute and the operator’s license up to date.
So while I see you going it is only part time, so I will run cheaper and hope to pay cheaper but in Reality you are more likely of a risk to a TM and if you factor that in then the costs are reflected in the price you are charged.
It is why most people realize it is cheaper to use an outside haulage contractor than run a vehicle part time

[poeterClear]

As a TM we get 4 spaces regardless of one vehicle on each operators license or 50 across all 4 licenses, so you are unlikely to get a quality manager for much under £450 a month. If you do they are likely to be near vehicle capacity as they manage larger companies and have operator space but not many vehicles.
At the end of the day the TM has to go on regular training, keep up to date, maintain vehicle and computers as well as make a living.
The risk to a TM is as. Part time operator their is a higher chance the operator will not be as worried at maintaining the TMs good repute as an operator who is working full time and knows their only or main income is based on keeping the TM’s good repute and the operator’s license up to date.
So while I see you going it is only part time, so I will run cheaper and hope to pay cheaper but in Reality you are more likely of a risk to a TM and if you factor that in then the costs are reflected in the price you are charged.
It is why most people realize it is cheaper to use an outside haulage contractor than run a vehicle part time

great reply

[russen]

As a TM we get 4 spaces regardless of one vehicle on each operators license or 50 across all 4 licenses, so you are unlikely to get a quality manager for much under £450 a month. If you do they are likely to be near vehicle capacity as they manage larger companies and have operator space but not many vehicles.
At the end of the day the TM has to go on regular training, keep up to date, maintain vehicle and computers as well as make a living.
The risk to a TM is as. Part time operator their is a higher chance the operator will not be as worried at maintaining the TMs good repute as an operator who is working full time and knows their only or main income is based on keeping the TM’s good repute and the operator’s license up to date.
So while I see you going it is only part time, so I will run cheaper and hope to pay cheaper but in Reality you are more likely of a risk to a TM and if you factor that in then the costs are reflected in the price you are charged.
It is why most people realize it is cheaper to use an outside haulage contractor than run a vehicle part time

spot on, the reward is nowhere near worth the risk

[Kevinque]

Depends what licence you have.....everyone assumes its a standard national but what are you transporting????

[Coslle-Gino]

Depends what licence you have.....everyone assumes its a standard national but what are you transporting????

cars.. within UK

[Kevinque]

Depends what licence you have.....everyone assumes its a standard national but what are you transporting????

cars.. within UK

who do they belong too and what is your ULW of the trailer????

[Coslle-Gino]

Depends what licence you have.....everyone assumes its a standard national but what are you transporting????

cars.. within UK

who do they belong too and what is your ULW of the trailer????

they're not mine... I just have a regular car transport trailer.. and altogether with my towing car it goes over 3.5 tons.. the empty trailer is around 600kg.. I can load around 2.7t on it ... I know if I was towing for myself I wouldn't need an operator license, tm & tacho

[Kevinque]

cars.. within UK

who do they belong too and what is your ULW of the trailer????

they're not mine... I just have a regular car transport trailer.. and altogether with my towing car it goes over 3.5 tons.. the empty trailer is around 600kg.. I can load around 2.7t on it ... I know if I was towing for myself I wouldn't need an operator license, tm & tacho

you have exhausted all my options......you need a TM.....

[stevzest-DR]

Coslle, pm me

[Wannerco]

How heavy is the 4x4? It may be out of scope!

[alundp]

How heavy is the 4x4? It may be out of scope!

I think it needs to be under 2040kg