Who uses POA I used to stick it on break all the time when being loaded etc but my gaffa wants it on POA because I'm

[SoLoad-Dans]

Who uses POA I used to stick it on break all the time when being loaded etc but my gaffa wants it on POA because I'm showing to many breaks. You couldn't make it up.

[GAJoshaell]

Yeah I use

[bentz1941]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

[arcvenn]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

The UK does not recognise POA as a break only in EU that's where a lot of flip flops get the infringements from the UK

[bentz1941]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

The UK does not recognise POA as a break only in EU that's where a lot of flip flops get the infringements from the UK

yeah but poa still resets ur drive time so u then still have to have a brake after u get going again

[arcvenn]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

The UK does not recognise POA as a break only in EU that's where a lot of flip flops get the infringements from the UK

yeah but poa still resets ur drive time so u then still have to have a brake after u get going again

I know but the UK does not recognise it as a break unfortunately. We get told to use it as well and it's caught a lot of people out for infringements cause they've not kept track of their driving hours or WTD

[greHipurr]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

yes in the rest of Europe but DVSA see it as a separate thing and our rules only push our working time directive break back and we shouldn’t use it to Reset drive time

[bentz1941]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

yes in the rest of Europe but DVSA see it as a separate thing and our rules only push our working time directive break back and we shouldn’t use it to Reset drive time

taco automatically resets drive time on poa so mite as well show brake keep working time down

[nigelliff09]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

yes in the rest of Europe but DVSA see it as a separate thing and our rules only push our working time directive break back and we shouldn’t use it to Reset drive time

taco automatically resets drive time on poa so mite as well show brake keep working time down

POA doesn’t count towards working time. So might as well have POA & put it on break when you’re having a break.

[Ianque]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

if you have on poa, and it resets your driving, but u still need to show breaks

[bentz1941]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

if you have on poa, and it resets your driving, but u still need to show breaks

I no so y not just use bed y over complicate the issue and get infringements when not needed

[Ianque]

Poa and brake same thing as poa resets ur drive time so what’s the difference

if you have on poa, and it resets your driving, but u still need to show breaks

I no so y not just use bed y over complicate the issue and get infringements when not needed

so true

[pampad]

if you have on poa, and it resets your driving, but u still need to show breaks

I no so y not just use bed y over complicate the issue and get infringements when not needed

so true

Only if multi manned

[STEPHIXEL]

if you have on poa, and it resets your driving, but u still need to show breaks

I no so y not just use bed y over complicate the issue and get infringements when not needed

so true

A brake is the thing you use to slow you down. It is not the same thing as a period of availability.

[youBuzz]

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[ChaKit5]

I use poa all the time

[jonuchPos]

I use it. Pull onto a bay where they unload me and POA. We get told off for using Break too much, then we get told off for getting infringements because POA resets the times and on occasion we lose track

[whittie]

I use it. Pull onto a bay where they unload me and POA. We get told off for using Break too much, then we get told off for getting infringements because POA resets the times and on occasion we lose track

you can only use poa if you know how long you are going to be without work… when you are on a bay, you do not know how long you are going to be there

[jonuchPos]

I use it. Pull onto a bay where they unload me and POA. We get told off for using Break too much, then we get told off for getting infringements because POA resets the times and on occasion we lose track

you can only use poa if you know how long you are going to be without work… when you are on a bay, you do not know how long you are going to be there

when I go somewhere like Brakes Reading I know it's going to be a long wait

[dautie02]

I use it. Pull onto a bay where they unload me and POA. We get told off for using Break too much, then we get told off for getting infringements because POA resets the times and on occasion we lose track

you can only use poa if you know how long you are going to be without work… when you are on a bay, you do not know how long you are going to be there

If someone said to me I could be waiting for anything between 10 minutes and 3hrs does that mean I can’t use POA then as both myself and said person don’t know exactly how long I will be waiting?

[richarch24]

I use it. Pull onto a bay where they unload me and POA. We get told off for using Break too much, then we get told off for getting infringements because POA resets the times and on occasion we lose track

you can only use poa if you know how long you are going to be without work… when you are on a bay, you do not know how long you are going to be there

always wait until 15 minutes is done

[farrepo]

I use it. Pull onto a bay where they unload me and POA. We get told off for using Break too much, then we get told off for getting infringements because POA resets the times and on occasion we lose track

you can only use poa if you know how long you are going to be without work… when you are on a bay, you do not know how long you are going to be there

always wait until 15 minutes is done

Why?

[whittie]

I use it. Pull onto a bay where they unload me and POA. We get told off for using Break too much, then we get told off for getting infringements because POA resets the times and on occasion we lose track

you can only use poa if you know how long you are going to be without work… when you are on a bay, you do not know how long you are going to be there

If someone said to me I could be waiting for anything between 10 minutes and 3hrs does that mean I can’t use POA then as both myself and said person don’t know exactly how long I will be waiting?

technically no you cant use it.. but if they say you are going to be 2 hrs … i e a given time, then yes you can

[richarch24]

you can only use poa if you know how long you are going to be without work… when you are on a bay, you do not know how long you are going to be there

always wait until 15 minutes is done

Why?

I like to have everything in 15 minutes, easier to add up!

[whittie]

always wait until 15 minutes is done

Why?

I like to have everything in 15 minutes, easier to add up!

Extract from wtd regulations
Generally speaking, a period of availability ( POA ) is waiting time, the duration of which must be known in advance. Examples of what might count as a POA are accompanying a vehicle on a ferry crossing or waiting while other workers load/unload the vehicle.23 Feb 2016

[dautie02]

Why?

I like to have everything in 15 minutes, easier to add up!

Extract from wtd regulations
Generally speaking, a period of availability ( POA ) is waiting time, the duration of which must be known in advance. Examples of what might count as a POA are accompanying a vehicle on a ferry crossing or waiting while other workers load/unload the vehicle.23 Feb 2016

So again, as it states “the duration must be known” means I can’t use POA as I’ve only been given a from to until estimation? Is that what you are saying?

[whittie]

I like to have everything in 15 minutes, easier to add up!

Extract from wtd regulations
Generally speaking, a period of availability ( POA ) is waiting time, the duration of which must be known in advance. Examples of what might count as a POA are accompanying a vehicle on a ferry crossing or waiting while other workers load/unload the vehicle.23 Feb 2016

So again, as it states “the duration must be known” means I can’t use POA as I’ve only been given a from to until estimation? Is that what you are saying?

yes

[whittie]

I like to have everything in 15 minutes, easier to add up!

Extract from wtd regulations
Generally speaking, a period of availability ( POA ) is waiting time, the duration of which must be known in advance. Examples of what might count as a POA are accompanying a vehicle on a ferry crossing or waiting while other workers load/unload the vehicle.23 Feb 2016

So again, as it states “the duration must be known” means I can’t use POA as I’ve only been given a from to until estimation? Is that what you are saying?

If it takes longer than the given time it does not matter

[dautie02]

Extract from wtd regulations
Generally speaking, a period of availability ( POA ) is waiting time, the duration of which must be known in advance. Examples of what might count as a POA are accompanying a vehicle on a ferry crossing or waiting while other workers load/unload the vehicle.23 Feb 2016

So again, as it states “the duration must be known” means I can’t use POA as I’ve only been given a from to until estimation? Is that what you are saying?

If it takes longer than the given time it does not matter

I strongly disagree with you on that.

[whittie]

So again, as it states “the duration must be known” means I can’t use POA as I’ve only been given a from to until estimation? Is that what you are saying?

If it takes longer than the given time it does not matter

I strongly disagree with you on that.

read the regulations

[dautie02]

If it takes longer than the given time it does not matter

I strongly disagree with you on that.

read the regulations

What if the guy says “You’ll be two hours waiting drive”. So I put it on POA. 1hr later he comes back and says “bay 10’s available drive”. Do I sit there for another hour as he originally told me two hours? Do I do a manual entry and change it two work for the last hour? Or do I get on the bay, and ask again how long I’m going to be?

[Mattee]

always wait until 15 minutes is done

Why?

I like to have everything in 15 minutes, easier to add up!

I've just started using POA. If I'm at a place for a while I always make sure I get a 45 break in first then anything after that POA.

[richarch24]

Why?

I like to have everything in 15 minutes, easier to add up!

I've just started using POA. If I'm at a place for a while I always make sure I get a 45 break in first then anything after that POA.

yep, depending on when you started, wtd, WRITE it down. 6 hour break catches most out.

[richarch24]

Why?

I like to have everything in 15 minutes, easier to add up!

I've just started using POA. If I'm at a place for a while I always make sure I get a 45 break in first then anything after that POA.

and write down your driving time, tachometer goes to zero.

[yoxYonnie]

If you comply with his request then be aware that the poa will
Re set your driving time, each time you have more than 45 mins in one go or by accumulation over a couple of periods.
Make sure you keep a track of the actual amount of driving time your doing so as not to get infringements for not taking the correct driving brakes.

[Mattee]

If you comply with his request then be aware that the poa will
Re set your driving time, each time you have more than 45 mins in one go or by accumulation over a couple of periods.
Make sure you keep a track of the actual amount of driving time your doing so as not to get infringements for not taking the correct driving brakes.

So for argument sake could you put it on POA for say 43 mins then 1 min of other work to stop it resetting your drive time then back on POA if required.

[yoxYonnie]

If you comply with his request then be aware that the poa will
Re set your driving time, each time you have more than 45 mins in one go or by accumulation over a couple of periods.
Make sure you keep a track of the actual amount of driving time your doing so as not to get infringements for not taking the correct driving brakes.

So for argument sake could you put it on POA for say 43 mins then 1 min of other work to stop it resetting your drive time then back on POA if required.

sorry for slow reply was sleeping as worked sat night.
If you put it on poa for 43 mins as you say
What would happen is the dam thing would see that as a 15 min rest break.
Then as soon as you achieved 30 mins by either a proper rest break or as poa it would clear your driving time.
The reason I say it sees it as 15 min break
Is you have to have a 15 followed by a 30 min break not the other way round.
The problem with poa is when the new tacho s were designed poa had been included in the design spec. So the machine can't differentiate between the two.
Hope I've not bored or confused you

[Mattee]

If you comply with his request then be aware that the poa will
Re set your driving time, each time you have more than 45 mins in one go or by accumulation over a couple of periods.
Make sure you keep a track of the actual amount of driving time your doing so as not to get infringements for not taking the correct driving brakes.

So for argument sake could you put it on POA for say 43 mins then 1 min of other work to stop it resetting your drive time then back on POA if required.

sorry for slow reply was sleeping as worked sat night.
If you put it on poa for 43 mins as you say
What would happen is the dam thing would see that as a 15 min rest break.
Then as soon as you achieved 30 mins by either a proper rest break or as poa it would clear your driving time.
The reason I say it sees it as 15 min break
Is you have to have a 15 followed by a 30 min break not the other way round.
The problem with poa is when the new tacho s were designed poa had been included in the design spec. So the machine can't differentiate between the two.
Hope I've not bored or confused you

I know exactly what you mean. POA is more trouble than it's worth. I just put it on break whenever I got the opportunity but a colleague said to me that DVSA wants you to show all modes. Sometimes the day doesn't call for POA though.

[yoxYonnie]

So for argument sake could you put it on POA for say 43 mins then 1 min of other work to stop it resetting your drive time then back on POA if required.

sorry for slow reply was sleeping as worked sat night.
If you put it on poa for 43 mins as you say
What would happen is the dam thing would see that as a 15 min rest break.
Then as soon as you achieved 30 mins by either a proper rest break or as poa it would clear your driving time.
The reason I say it sees it as 15 min break
Is you have to have a 15 followed by a 30 min break not the other way round.
The problem with poa is when the new tacho s were designed poa had been included in the design spec. So the machine can't differentiate between the two.
Hope I've not bored or confused you

I know exactly what you mean. POA is more trouble than it's worth. I just put it on break whenever I got the opportunity but a colleague said to me that DVSA wants you to show all modes. Sometimes the day doesn't call for POA though.

yep and remember dvsa are those that can't policing those that can.

[Brisce]

POA has always been important …… many years back I was pulled over in Cambuslang after pulling out of a chain factory. The police were accompanied by a ministry man and asked me for my tacho. They had sat and watched me loading chain …… and pulled me to check whether my tacho was on break. Which of course it was. I was let off with a warning that day.
It was standard practise for quite a while in the eighties to be checked after tipping or loading.

[bentz1941]

Y do They need to complicate things just use brake what’s he going to do sack you for not using poa

[LISADLER]

I thought break was break and if you sat not having break that’s POA

[bentz1941]

Official vosa wording of poa should sort u out

[STEPHIXEL]

Official vosa wording of poa should sort u out

I gave it a twist!

[dautie02]

POA is a very useful tool for those who don’t get paid breaks, and easy to understand with a little bit of common sense

[Brownse]

POA is a very useful tool for those who don’t get paid breaks, and easy to understand with a little bit of common sense

only problem with poa. You really need to watch your breaks as it resets the clock on driving time.

[dautie02]

POA is a very useful tool for those who don’t get paid breaks, and easy to understand with a little bit of common sense

only problem with poa. You really need to watch your breaks as it resets the clock on driving time.

That was why I added the ‘common sense’ bit at the end. I found a pen and paper very handy back in the day, but I soon learned how to work it out in my head.

[richarch24]

All the time.

[LakeVam]

POA is a complete waste of time. Never used it in 20 years. I’ll wait for the brown tongues to abuse me . If I’m unloading I stick it on break. I’m not working and if I get unloaded in say 40 minutes, I’ll just sit for another 5 minutes. No rule says you can’t have as many breaks as I want.

[farrepo]

POA is a complete waste of time. Never used it in 20 years. I’ll wait for the brown tongues to abuse me . If I’m unloading I stick it on break. I’m not working and if I get unloaded in say 40 minutes, I’ll just sit for another 5 minutes. No rule says you can’t have as many breaks as I want.

it exists for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted, if that's not you there's no need to use it as using break like you are works just fine

[LakeVam]

POA is a complete waste of time. Never used it in 20 years. I’ll wait for the brown tongues to abuse me . If I’m unloading I stick it on break. I’m not working and if I get unloaded in say 40 minutes, I’ll just sit for another 5 minutes. No rule says you can’t have as many breaks as I want.

it exists for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted, if that's not you there's no need to use it as using break like you are works just fine

No I’ve never had a job where I can paid from my tacho.

[farrepo]

POA is a complete waste of time. Never used it in 20 years. I’ll wait for the brown tongues to abuse me . If I’m unloading I stick it on break. I’m not working and if I get unloaded in say 40 minutes, I’ll just sit for another 5 minutes. No rule says you can’t have as many breaks as I want.

it exists for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted, if that's not you there's no need to use it as using break like you are works just fine

No I’ve never had a job where I can paid from my tacho.

me neither, but there is a few that do, we don't need poa, but they do.

[NIGELLMPONENT]

it exists for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted, if that's not you there's no need to use it as using break like you are works just fine

No I’ve never had a job where I can paid from my tacho.

me neither, but there is a few that do, we don't need poa, but they do.

my first break is deducted, second is paid after filling in form. Use poa as much as possible as we are contracted 55 hours a week, 59 after break. Hence why I use it

[dautie02]

POA is a complete waste of time. Never used it in 20 years. I’ll wait for the brown tongues to abuse me . If I’m unloading I stick it on break. I’m not working and if I get unloaded in say 40 minutes, I’ll just sit for another 5 minutes. No rule says you can’t have as many breaks as I want.

If your company didn’t pay breaks, what would you do? If that was the only job available to you, so saying leave is not an option?

[LakeVam]

POA is a complete waste of time. Never used it in 20 years. I’ll wait for the brown tongues to abuse me . If I’m unloading I stick it on break. I’m not working and if I get unloaded in say 40 minutes, I’ll just sit for another 5 minutes. No rule says you can’t have as many breaks as I want.

If your company didn’t pay breaks, what would you do? If that was the only job available to you, so saying leave is not an option?

I can’t see why I would still have to show POA on my tacho. Maybe I don’t understand as I’ve never had to do it. All my jobs have been either salary or just paid from when I clock in and out.

[dautie02]

POA is a complete waste of time. Never used it in 20 years. I’ll wait for the brown tongues to abuse me . If I’m unloading I stick it on break. I’m not working and if I get unloaded in say 40 minutes, I’ll just sit for another 5 minutes. No rule says you can’t have as many breaks as I want.

If your company didn’t pay breaks, what would you do? If that was the only job available to you, so saying leave is not an option?

I can’t see why I would still have to show POA on my tacho. Maybe I don’t understand as I’ve never had to do it. All my jobs have been either salary or just paid from when I clock in and out.

If your company didn’t pay breaks then it would hit your pocket. If you totalled for example 4hrs on break in a 15hr shift you would only be paid for 11hr. If you had say two X45 minute breaks you would then get paid for 13.5hrs. That’s a big difference. POA can be your friend in numerous ways buddy.

[LakeVam]

If your company didn’t pay breaks, what would you do? If that was the only job available to you, so saying leave is not an option?

I can’t see why I would still have to show POA on my tacho. Maybe I don’t understand as I’ve never had to do it. All my jobs have been either salary or just paid from when I clock in and out.

If your company didn’t pay breaks then it would hit your pocket. If you totalled for example 4hrs on break in a 15hr shift you would only be paid for 11hr. If you had say two X45 minute breaks you would then get paid for 13.5hrs. That’s a big difference. POA can be your friend in numerous ways buddy.

My company don’t pay tacho break but only 1 hour a day. It doesn’t matter how long I’m waiting around on break. To be honest I would not work for any company that would want to deduct more than 1 hour break in a shift

[Whi1ttendo]

First time I ever used it I didn't realise it resets the drive time. Obvs I wasn't noting down the drive time that day so boom....infringement.
Also, lot of guys believe it'll allow them to go over a 15hr shift for some reason

[ricmido60]

Never use POA

[East6Tins]

I use it after 15 min checks at start of shift. Only because workload is never ready after usually about 2 hours.
Other thank that, break all the way.

[BogMint]

i was spare driver for dhl in solihul, used poa a lot, been asked not to use it, because 1 of the guys in the office doesn't like the colour on the screen when downloading the card....found out after i finished working for them....and never go back to them again...

[Whi1ttendo]

i was spare driver for dhl in solihul, used poa a lot, been asked not to use it, because 1 of the guys in the office doesn't like the colour on the screen when downloading the card....found out after i finished working for them....and never go back to them again...

I'd have used it for every available minute I could in that case

[BogMint]

i was spare driver for dhl in solihul, used poa a lot, been asked not to use it, because 1 of the guys in the office doesn't like the colour on the screen when downloading the card....found out after i finished working for them....and never go back to them again...

I'd have used it for every available minute I could in that case

i thought was some sort of internal thing, some TM had a brainstorm. not the flipping whim of 1 guy working in the office having issues with colours....

[Whi1ttendo]

i was spare driver for dhl in solihul, used poa a lot, been asked not to use it, because 1 of the guys in the office doesn't like the colour on the screen when downloading the card....found out after i finished working for them....and never go back to them again...

I'd have used it for every available minute I could in that case

i thought was some sort of internal thing, some TM had a brainstorm. not the flipping whim of 1 guy working in the office having issues with colours....

it just goes to show the level of twattery in so many transport offices

[ChrJava]

60 hrs is enough for anyone realistically. Your suppose to be told how long before you use poa. I do put extra breaks in but I only get deducted one a day. So if your gaffa wants you to use poa then he’s after blood from you as the average is 48 so he should manage your work. I’m getting on now so if my gaffa was telling me to use poa I would be looking for another job.

[ayresco_273]

It cuts down your seeking working time as only driving & other work go towards your weekly maximum hours.it’s how they get more hours out of a driver

[Whi1ttendo]

It cuts down your seeking working time as only driving & other work go towards your weekly maximum hours.it’s how they get more hours out of a driver

tbh I'd refuse to use it if I was getting maxed out. It's a cop out for employers.

[Markella]

Never use pissed off again. It's either working or break.

[HenXo]

I never use POA, ever if they employ me then they pay me for all the time I spend with Their truck.

[dautie02]

I never use POA, ever if they employ me then they pay me for all the time I spend with Their truck.

If you’re a tramper you do realise you are on below minimum wage whilst on your rest periods

[STEPHIXEL]

If only there was a system of regular training! Where skilled professionals could ask these questions? And learn about changes and updates to the rules and regs? A few hours a year would be enough, surely. We could call it a "certificate of professional competence". But that would be MADNESS!

[mcordYard]

If you’re loading you’re working. POA is a scam for the employer to get more work out of you!!!!

[damioneh]

If you’re loading you’re working. POA is a scam for the employer to get more work out of you!!!!

not always. I'm on containers and I'm never working when container is being loaded or tipped

[ShaDarth]

Poa is just a means of working the driver longer it is over used to boost wages every recent rule change is to the detriment of the driver

[wallisse.267]

Never used POA it’s either work or break