A parking ticket that I appealed with the Council but lost, but went on to win with a adjudicator. Interesting to

[andy2ache]

A parking ticket that I appealed with the Council but lost, but went on to win with a adjudicator. Interesting to read that as far as the regs are concerned, a Coach is classed as a Bus, thus allowed to use a Bus Stop. Bear this in mind peeps if you get ticketed.

[RoRob_Prep]

What about bus lanes, I don’t think it applies

[andy2ache]

What about bus lanes, I don’t think it applies

that's meant to say bus stop. Not sure why they said bus lane. I was parked there for half hour and not even with the vehicle.

[CHARLESPE]

What about bus lanes, I don’t think it applies

I think you will find you are allowed to used bus lanes as long as on the signs it says local buses only or if like in London TFL buses only.

[Oakletion]

What about bus lanes, I don’t think it applies

I think you will find you are allowed to used bus lanes as long as on the signs it says local buses only or if like in London TFL buses only.

You sure? Read what you've just posted.

[CHARLESPE]

What about bus lanes, I don’t think it applies

I think you will find you are allowed to used bus lanes as long as on the signs it says local buses only or if like in London TFL buses only.

You sure? Read what you've just posted.

Quite rightly must have had a brain storm should read you can use bus lane as long as it doesn’t say local buses or TFL buses only. I apologise for my error thankyou for pointing it out do not like to mislead people.

[merryon192]

What about bus lanes, I don’t think it applies

bus lanes marked “ local “ are for local buses etc. Not visiting coaches or other traffic - that’s the difference

[Daverm]

What about bus lanes, I don’t think it applies

bus lanes marked “ local “ are for local buses etc. Not visiting coaches or other traffic - that’s the difference

thats technically not correct, 'local buses' is a term used to describe 'service' buses, im sure its somewhere in the definitions, can't remember where I saw it...
So what you are saying is local buses to that bus lane, ie a coach company around the corner are local? Lol

[merryon192]

What about bus lanes, I don’t think it applies

bus lanes marked “ local “ are for local buses etc. Not visiting coaches or other traffic - that’s the difference

thats technically not correct, 'local buses' is a term used to describe 'service' buses, im sure its somewhere in the definitions, can't remember where I saw it...
So what you are saying is local buses to that bus lane, ie a coach company around the corner are local? Lol

yes it was worded wrong. Local service vehicles not as in in local to area.

[andy2ache]

bus lanes marked “ local “ are for local buses etc. Not visiting coaches or other traffic - that’s the difference

thats technically not correct, 'local buses' is a term used to describe 'service' buses, im sure its somewhere in the definitions, can't remember where I saw it...
So what you are saying is local buses to that bus lane, ie a coach company around the corner are local? Lol

yes it was worded wrong. Local service vehicles not as in in local to area.

Yep if it's marked just Bus Lane, coaches can use it. If it says "local buses only" you can't.

[Markwripe]

Because they are buses, that is why they are taxed as a bus. I do believe we are the only country in Europe, possibly even the world who use the word coach.

[Iorifect]

Because they are buses, that is why they are taxed as a bus. I do believe we are the only country in Europe, possibly even the world who use the word coach.

certainly the term here is 'Reisebus'. Literally tour bus.

[Markwripe]

Because they are buses, that is why they are taxed as a bus. I do believe we are the only country in Europe, possibly even the world who use the word coach.

certainly the term here is 'Reisebus'. Literally tour bus.

same as bus fahrer not coach fahrer.
Same as us, sh*t even the holy grail of coaching ' well done drivers would have you think' band bus, not coach bus.
Try googling coaches lol

[Rolando.Mr]

Because they are buses, that is why they are taxed as a bus. I do believe we are the only country in Europe, possibly even the world who use the word coach.

In Spain a bus is called either 'bus' but more correctly and legally 'autobus'. A coach is called 'autocar' and occasionally 'coche' which translates as 'car' and also 'coach', and the bus and coach terms are only confused by those not in the public transport industry. I was a coach driver at Autocares Frahermar, Agua Fresca, Almeria for a while, although I was driving a pair of RMs.

[RoRob_Prep]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

[lows.uppery]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

we always use bus lane unless it's a local bus lane then it's a no no other then that crack on

[PorryLLike]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

we always use bus lane unless it's a local bus lane then it's a no no other then that crack on

Any PCV can use a bus lane unless it specifically says ...local buses only......or .....LT (in London) buses orly

[wiinolia]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

I have used bus lanes while driving a coach and have never been prosecuted and as the law says they are classed as buses and not coaches so I will have to stop calling coaches a coach because they are all buses

[Nickerdo]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

yep you can use them just not when it states “local bus” but again we have won arguments when your doing a local school run.

[darrenaw]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

yep you can use them just not when it states “local bus” but again we have won arguments when your doing a local school run.

Yes, even minibuses can. Just not when it states local buses only

[Nee_Anarchy]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

yep you can use them just not when it states “local bus” but again we have won arguments when your doing a local school run.

Yes, even minibuses can. Just not when it states local buses only

but what's the definition of a "local bus"? Never seen that as a taxation class When I got a ticket and lost the appeal in Wolverhampton, the firm I was driving for was based in Wolverhampton so how more "local" can you be?

[darrenaw]

yep you can use them just not when it states “local bus” but again we have won arguments when your doing a local school run.

Yes, even minibuses can. Just not when it states local buses only

but what's the definition of a "local bus"? Never seen that as a taxation class When I got a ticket and lost the appeal in Wolverhampton, the firm I was driving for was based in Wolverhampton so how more "local" can you be?

I believe it means local scheduled service buses.

[Nee_Anarchy]

Yes, even minibuses can. Just not when it states local buses only

but what's the definition of a "local bus"? Never seen that as a taxation class When I got a ticket and lost the appeal in Wolverhampton, the firm I was driving for was based in Wolverhampton so how more "local" can you be?

I believe it means local scheduled service buses.

exactly what I was told by the adjudicator that dismissed my appeal. There is the definition which applies to restricted bus stops and bus lanes. All depends on what type of work you are operating and NOT the type of vehicle you are driving. Obviously there are certain loop holes that can be exploited such as incorrect signage or whether the bus stop is 'redundant' or not.

[fridays161]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

Depends on the rules, if signed. Local and your local yes, if not no, but be careful of the approved vehicles only

[Nee_Anarchy]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

Depends on the rules, if signed. Local and your local yes, if not no, but be careful of the approved vehicles only

Funny how 'we' are classed as coaches and not buses

[CasCassellar]

My question is, and it’s arguable, can coaches use bus lanes? I would say yes as they are defined as such.

Depends on the rules, if signed. Local and your local yes, if not no, but be careful of the approved vehicles only

Funny how 'we' are classed as coaches and not buses

I use bus lanes up here in Scotland all. The time, never once been dug up for it I'll continue to until someone tells me to stop.

[Nee_Anarchy]

Well it didn't work for me about 20 years ago when I dropped off on a clearly marked restricted bus stop in Wolverhampton. Adjudicator said it was for pcv operating on a stage carriage service (which could be a coach) but not private hire.

[steve4hics]

Well it didn't work for me about 20 years ago when I dropped off on a clearly marked restricted bus stop in Wolverhampton. Adjudicator said it was for pcv operating on a stage carriage service (which could be a coach) but not private hire.

Sineage local buses only

[darrenaw]

I had the same with Conwy council. Warden argued with me that I wasn't a bus. .
I won,

[geoffun.Laxr]

Now when comes to lincolnshire council and Skegness where they have on Lumley Road signs saying Buses prohibited and underneath those signs written "except buses" and the designated Coach drop off on the seafront with signs saying "Buses only"
HA HA Sort that one out guys

[merlin_mery]

Now when comes to lincolnshire council and Skegness where they have on Lumley Road signs saying Buses prohibited and underneath those signs written "except buses" and the designated Coach drop off on the seafront with signs saying "Buses only"
HA HA Sort that one out guys

That is because the word 'coach' doesn't exist when local authorities are putting in place their TROs (Traffic Reg Orders). Does the word coach exist on the road tax disc? lol

[McLeodexis]

Last year and this year we had 100s of tickets for parking in bus stop outside a hotel to pick up.
We argued this very case and found that tfl have now had to amend a lot of there bus stops to say tfl authorized busses only.

[Markwripe]

Last year and this year we had 100s of tickets for parking in bus stop outside a hotel to pick up.
We argued this very case and found that tfl have now had to amend a lot of there bus stops to say tfl authorized busses only.

doesn't matter according to their website you still can, do long as there is movement no waiting. Problem is a lot of drivers use pick up as part of their break

[louis2ppe]

Last year and this year we had 100s of tickets for parking in bus stop outside a hotel to pick up.
We argued this very case and found that tfl have now had to amend a lot of there bus stops to say tfl authorized busses only.

doesn't matter according to their website you still can, do long as there is movement no waiting. Problem is a lot of drivers use pick up as part of their break

you are wrong ...by definition of the first paragraph of the picture. You cant use tfl or local stops ... you can use stops on red routes as long as they are not marked tfl/local

[Markwripe]

Last year and this year we had 100s of tickets for parking in bus stop outside a hotel to pick up.
We argued this very case and found that tfl have now had to amend a lot of there bus stops to say tfl authorized busses only.

doesn't matter according to their website you still can, do long as there is movement no waiting. Problem is a lot of drivers use pick up as part of their break

you are wrong ...by definition of the first paragraph of the picture. You cant use tfl or local stops ... you can use stops on red routes as long as they are not marked tfl/local

yellow routes not red, and considering the majority of central London is now red route

[louis2ppe]

doesn't matter according to their website you still can, do long as there is movement no waiting. Problem is a lot of drivers use pick up as part of their break

you are wrong ...by definition of the first paragraph of the picture. You cant use tfl or local stops ... you can use stops on red routes as long as they are not marked tfl/local

yellow routes not red, and considering the majority of central London is now red route

likewise .. you cant use a tfl/local stop .. any other stop is permitted.

[Markwripe]

you are wrong ...by definition of the first paragraph of the picture. You cant use tfl or local stops ... you can use stops on red routes as long as they are not marked tfl/local

yellow routes not red, and considering the majority of central London is now red route

likewise .. you cant use a tfl/local stop .. any other stop is permitted.

the bus stop rule is on yellow routes only.

[Markwripe]

you are wrong ...by definition of the first paragraph of the picture. You cant use tfl or local stops ... you can use stops on red routes as long as they are not marked tfl/local

yellow routes not red, and considering the majority of central London is now red route

likewise .. you cant use a tfl/local stop .. any other stop is permitted.

When Red routes were first brought in they had to make dispensation for loading and u loading. Its the same as when it says local buses only, if you are a company registered in that area you can use them, we are legally classified as a bus and as a locally registered bus you can use the bus stop or bus lane. You will have the added hassle of some jobs worth sending you a ticket, but you can appeal and wi win on that basis. Most people lose appeals because they don't word things correctly or quote the correct legislation. I do appeals for a company where I live and have at least an 80% success rate. That's for parking, stopping or dart charge. Those in tfl don't really understand the rules and just work on what they have in front of them, because they know most people won't appeal

[WrightAAway]

Well if a Coach is classed as a bus why are the government not helping these coach companies

[normerco-233]

Of course they can

[normerco-233]

Think back when you took your psv you had to pull up at bus stops

[hybe]

all councils are bent on fraud.

[pauz6ists]

We always use bus lanes in London...

[RIGGSCOLL]

For all bus lanes and bus stops it depends on the legislation and/or wording of the TRO or other instrument behind the restriction. As others have said, London has some blanket rules about coaches using bus stops on red routes, not using them on yellow routes and lots of special cases for bus lanes where coaches are or are not allowed but any authority can differentiate between types of buses that they want to use bus lanes or bus stops. The definition normally used is “bus” means motor vehicles constructed or adapted to carry more than 8 passengers (exclusive of driver) whereas
“local bus” means a public service vehicle used in provision of a local service not being an excursion or tour

[Markwripe]

For all bus lanes and bus stops it depends on the legislation and/or wording of the TRO or other instrument behind the restriction. As others have said, London has some blanket rules about coaches using bus stops on red routes, not using them on yellow routes and lots of special cases for bus lanes where coaches are or are not allowed but any authority can differentiate between types of buses that they want to use bus lanes or bus stops. The definition normally used is “bus” means motor vehicles constructed or adapted to carry more than 8 passengers (exclusive of driver) whereas
“local bus” means a public service vehicle used in provision of a local service not being an excursion or tour

but then is also arguable because the words 'local bus' can have a wide ranging translation. As I said above if you are a registered company in London for example within any of its boroughs you are a local bus.

[RIGGSCOLL]

For all bus lanes and bus stops it depends on the legislation and/or wording of the TRO or other instrument behind the restriction. As others have said, London has some blanket rules about coaches using bus stops on red routes, not using them on yellow routes and lots of special cases for bus lanes where coaches are or are not allowed but any authority can differentiate between types of buses that they want to use bus lanes or bus stops. The definition normally used is “bus” means motor vehicles constructed or adapted to carry more than 8 passengers (exclusive of driver) whereas
“local bus” means a public service vehicle used in provision of a local service not being an excursion or tour

but then is also arguable because the words 'local bus' can have a wide ranging translation. As I said above if you are a registered company in London for example within any of its boroughs you are a local bus.

That is quoted direct from legislation as the legal definition used by local authorities

[merlin_mery]

For all bus lanes and bus stops it depends on the legislation and/or wording of the TRO or other instrument behind the restriction. As others have said, London has some blanket rules about coaches using bus stops on red routes, not using them on yellow routes and lots of special cases for bus lanes where coaches are or are not allowed but any authority can differentiate between types of buses that they want to use bus lanes or bus stops. The definition normally used is “bus” means motor vehicles constructed or adapted to carry more than 8 passengers (exclusive of driver) whereas
“local bus” means a public service vehicle used in provision of a local service not being an excursion or tour

Spot on Riggscoll.. I've been advised our coach park should be called a 'bus park'.