Might seem silly, but if a company had vehicles exempt from licensing and then got some put on an O-licence

[AndryUrman]

Might seem silly, but if a company had vehicles exempt from licensing and then got some put on an O-licence (hire&reward) those exempted vehicles can't therefore be counted as 'kept' at authorized centre as they're exempt from licensing.....right?? Which would mean said company could swap out a licensed vehicle for a currently unlicensed one, etc? TIA

[jamsky]

Yes they would be and it will also affect your financial standing and margins. Unless you can prove they will not be used.

[ThrillTribee]

A company cannot ‘swap out’ as you put it. If a company decides it is going to rotate vehicles they own on their operators licence and then not place them on the licence they’re not allowed to. ALL of those vehicles that have been used should then be on the licence and as you put it would be classed as ‘kept’.

[Kurisure]

A company cannot ‘swap out’ as you put it. If a company decides it is going to rotate vehicles they own on their operators licence and then not place them on the licence they’re not allowed to. ALL of those vehicles that have been used should then be on the licence and as you put it would be classed as ‘kept’.

that’s can be done I take it the poster of this is talking about recovery trucks. And recovery trucks are one of the exceptions to the rules

[ThrillTribee]

A company cannot ‘swap out’ as you put it. If a company decides it is going to rotate vehicles they own on their operators licence and then not place them on the licence they’re not allowed to. ALL of those vehicles that have been used should then be on the licence and as you put it would be classed as ‘kept’.

that’s can be done I take it the poster of this is talking about recovery trucks. And recovery trucks are one of the exceptions to the rules

not sure where recovery is mentioned. However, if the ‘recovery’ vehicle then was used as a car transporter it would need to go on the O Licence. The previous ‘recovery’ vehicle/s that were used would still be required to stay on the O Licence, as you cannot swap numerous vehicles that you have in your possession around and not have them on your licence. It is to prevent the bent operator/s who have a margin and use VOL as a method to use more than authorized.

[Kurisure]

A company cannot ‘swap out’ as you put it. If a company decides it is going to rotate vehicles they own on their operators licence and then not place them on the licence they’re not allowed to. ALL of those vehicles that have been used should then be on the licence and as you put it would be classed as ‘kept’.

that’s can be done I take it the poster of this is talking about recovery trucks. And recovery trucks are one of the exceptions to the rules

not sure where recovery is mentioned. However, if the ‘recovery’ vehicle then was used as a car transporter it would need to go on the O Licence. The previous ‘recovery’ vehicle/s that were used would still be required to stay on the O Licence, as you cannot swap numerous vehicles that you have in your possession around and not have them on your licence. It is to prevent the bent operator/s who have a margin and use VOL as a method to use more than authorized.

you can swop around recovery vehicles as we asked the question in a site visit we had from DVSA. The rule is to stop people that use trucks for say like night trunking and use a small truck during the day. That’s why the rule was made in the 1st place if you find the article

[ThrillTribee]

that’s can be done I take it the poster of this is talking about recovery trucks. And recovery trucks are one of the exceptions to the rules

not sure where recovery is mentioned. However, if the ‘recovery’ vehicle then was used as a car transporter it would need to go on the O Licence. The previous ‘recovery’ vehicle/s that were used would still be required to stay on the O Licence, as you cannot swap numerous vehicles that you have in your possession around and not have them on your licence. It is to prevent the bent operator/s who have a margin and use VOL as a method to use more than authorized.

you can swop around recovery vehicles as we asked the question in a site visit we had from DVSA. The rule is to stop people that use trucks for say like night trunking and use a small truck during the day. That’s why the rule was made in the 1st place if you find the article

can you show the rules that you are saying because the TC doesn’t agree with you. The TC has ruled on this issue. And as a ex DVSA Examiner I know you can get different opinions from different Examiners not all are always correct.

[ThrillTribee]

that’s can be done I take it the poster of this is talking about recovery trucks. And recovery trucks are one of the exceptions to the rules

not sure where recovery is mentioned. However, if the ‘recovery’ vehicle then was used as a car transporter it would need to go on the O Licence. The previous ‘recovery’ vehicle/s that were used would still be required to stay on the O Licence, as you cannot swap numerous vehicles that you have in your possession around and not have them on your licence. It is to prevent the bent operator/s who have a margin and use VOL as a method to use more than authorized.

you can swop around recovery vehicles as we asked the question in a site visit we had from DVSA. The rule is to stop people that use trucks for say like night trunking and use a small truck during the day. That’s why the rule was made in the 1st place if you find the article

!!!

[ThrillTribee]

that’s can be done I take it the poster of this is talking about recovery trucks. And recovery trucks are one of the exceptions to the rules

not sure where recovery is mentioned. However, if the ‘recovery’ vehicle then was used as a car transporter it would need to go on the O Licence. The previous ‘recovery’ vehicle/s that were used would still be required to stay on the O Licence, as you cannot swap numerous vehicles that you have in your possession around and not have them on your licence. It is to prevent the bent operator/s who have a margin and use VOL as a method to use more than authorized.

you can swop around recovery vehicles as we asked the question in a site visit we had from DVSA. The rule is to stop people that use trucks for say like night trunking and use a small truck during the day. That’s why the rule was made in the 1st place if you find the article

Connor Construction Public Inquiry ruled that the operator couldn’t swap vehicles around.

[AndryUrman]

not sure where recovery is mentioned. However, if the ‘recovery’ vehicle then was used as a car transporter it would need to go on the O Licence. The previous ‘recovery’ vehicle/s that were used would still be required to stay on the O Licence, as you cannot swap numerous vehicles that you have in your possession around and not have them on your licence. It is to prevent the bent operator/s who have a margin and use VOL as a method to use more than authorized.

you can swop around recovery vehicles as we asked the question in a site visit we had from DVSA. The rule is to stop people that use trucks for say like night trunking and use a small truck during the day. That’s why the rule was made in the 1st place if you find the article

Connor Construction Public Inquiry ruled that the operator couldn’t swap vehicles around.

where does this mention the using of exempted vehicles??? They weren't on an o licence, now some are. If someone wants to take one off (back to exempted) and put a new one on without exceeding margin.....where's the ruling or issie on that?

[Kurisure]

you can swop around recovery vehicles as we asked the question in a site visit we had from DVSA. The rule is to stop people that use trucks for say like night trunking and use a small truck during the day. That’s why the rule was made in the 1st place if you find the article

Connor Construction Public Inquiry ruled that the operator couldn’t swap vehicles around.

where does this mention the using of exempted vehicles??? They weren't on an o licence, now some are. If someone wants to take one off (back to exempted) and put a new one on without exceeding margin.....where's the ruling or issie on that?

there is no ruling about this. The ruling was all over a a night truck and day truck. Exempt trucks are a different kettle of fish. If I sold that vehicle that is exempt do I have to sell it as not exempt any more as it was on an OL at some point. Don’t be still no I don’t.

[Kurisure]

not sure where recovery is mentioned. However, if the ‘recovery’ vehicle then was used as a car transporter it would need to go on the O Licence. The previous ‘recovery’ vehicle/s that were used would still be required to stay on the O Licence, as you cannot swap numerous vehicles that you have in your possession around and not have them on your licence. It is to prevent the bent operator/s who have a margin and use VOL as a method to use more than authorized.

you can swop around recovery vehicles as we asked the question in a site visit we had from DVSA. The rule is to stop people that use trucks for say like night trunking and use a small truck during the day. That’s why the rule was made in the 1st place if you find the article

Connor Construction Public Inquiry ruled that the operator couldn’t swap vehicles around.

it dose not talk about exempt vehicles dose it.

[ThrillTribee]

you can swop around recovery vehicles as we asked the question in a site visit we had from DVSA. The rule is to stop people that use trucks for say like night trunking and use a small truck during the day. That’s why the rule was made in the 1st place if you find the article

Connor Construction Public Inquiry ruled that the operator couldn’t swap vehicles around.

it dose not talk about exempt vehicles dose it.

the post seems to suggest that the operator is swapping vehicles on & off the O Licence depending upon what the vehicle is doing on a particular day. Clearly if a vehicle is, for example a plant vehicle, it couldn’t do anything that would cause it to ever need an O Licence. Thereby, the swapping would suggest that the vehicle/s can be used for hire & reward and are just being rotated around.

[AndryUrman]

Connor Construction Public Inquiry ruled that the operator couldn’t swap vehicles around.

it dose not talk about exempt vehicles dose it.

the post seems to suggest that the operator is swapping vehicles on & off the O Licence depending upon what the vehicle is doing on a particular day. Clearly if a vehicle is, for example a plant vehicle, it couldn’t do anything that would cause it to ever need an O Licence. Thereby, the swapping would suggest that the vehicle/s can be used for hire & reward and are just being rotated around.

no the post doesn't suggest that. Purely just to permanently take one off licence (to exempted duty) and put a new one on permanently

[AndryUrman]

Connor Construction Public Inquiry ruled that the operator couldn’t swap vehicles around.

it dose not talk about exempt vehicles dose it.

the post seems to suggest that the operator is swapping vehicles on & off the O Licence depending upon what the vehicle is doing on a particular day. Clearly if a vehicle is, for example a plant vehicle, it couldn’t do anything that would cause it to ever need an O Licence. Thereby, the swapping would suggest that the vehicle/s can be used for hire & reward and are just being rotated around.

apologies if it wasn't made clear enough

[Treave]

Traffic commissioner recently sent out a memo on this.
But in short no. You can not swap back and forth between vehicles like that.

[Treave]

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[AndryUrman]

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they're not goods vehicles if exempt though....

[Treave]

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[AndryUrman]

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very good but they isn't all goods vehicles as I keep trying to say!!

[AndryUrman]

If they're not goods vehicles and therefore exempt.........?

[Waynebu]

What vehicles do you think of as exempt?
If as you put it you want to swap them in/out then they are not exempt.
If you signed up to follow the TC you would see recent rulings that would advise the TC frowns on such actions, and sees such attempts as enough to loose a TM their good repute. In the TC’s eye you are running more vehicles than you have on your license and as such you have an unfair advantage on those doing it properly.

[AndryUrman]

What vehicles do you think of as exempt?
If as you put it you want to swap them in/out then they are not exempt.
If you signed up to follow the TC you would see recent rulings that would advise the TC frowns on such actions, and sees such attempts as enough to loose a TM their good repute. In the TC’s eye you are running more vehicles than you have on your license and as such you have an unfair advantage on those doing it properly.

lets say non-goods vehicles are the exempt ones. I'm trying to make it easy. Not looking to swap about with VOR, rigid vs artic or any of that

[Kurisure]

Hi there is one exception to the rule and that is on recovery trucks. So I take it you’re talking about recovery trucks?

[AndryUrman]

Hi there is one exception to the rule and that is on recovery trucks. So I take it you’re talking about recovery trucks?

I think you are correct here

[Kurisure]

Hi there is one exception to the rule and that is on recovery trucks. So I take it you’re talking about recovery trucks?

I think you are correct here

I know I am.

[AndryUrman]

Take one vehicle off, so margin less than 1, put a new one on, engage original one on exempt duty...?

[ThrillTribee]

Take one vehicle off, so margin less than 1, put a new one on, engage original one on exempt duty...?

can’t do it

[Bluecorn]

Got to ask, what’s the actual or perceived benefit. Remember take a veh off means surrendering THAT disc, put veh back on means getting a new disc. Why do it?