Question for you all, Are the school board Logos on digital destination boards good enough or do you still need the

[wintt4freen]

Question for you all,
Are the school board Logos on digital destination boards good enough or do you still need the orange and black placards in front & rear windows please?
Also any direction to the relevant rules please? Thanks!

[Kaylaur]

Depends on what the local authorities stipulates surely
Up here Aberdeen city council need just yellow school signs whereas Aberdeenshire council required specific reflective school signs

[wintt4freen]

Depends on what the local authorities stipulates surely
Up here Aberdeen city council need just yellow school signs whereas Aberdeenshire council required specific reflective school signs

ah OK! Didn't think it would be LEA dependant! Just thought it'd be a standard set of guidelines!

[JAMOSERLO]

Depends on what the local authorities stipulates surely
Up here Aberdeen city council need just yellow school signs whereas Aberdeenshire council required specific reflective school signs

ah OK! Didn't think it would be LEA dependant! Just thought it'd be a standard set of guidelines!

like everything concerning rules, different organisations/police forces read the rules differently and interpret them differently!!

[wintt4freen]

Depends on what the local authorities stipulates surely
Up here Aberdeen city council need just yellow school signs whereas Aberdeenshire council required specific reflective school signs

ah OK! Didn't think it would be LEA dependant! Just thought it'd be a standard set of guidelines!

like everything concerning rules, different organisations/police forces read the rules differently and interpret them differently!!

yeah I get that. But it's probably going to be the council not the police who have any issues here. Even so, if I have a copy of the rules then I can interpret them and work accordingly!

[colary_1378]

Still need to be on the yellow placards

[wintt4freen]

Still need to be on the yellow placards

any website links for the regs please bud? Not that I don't believe you, just want to check it myself!

[colary_1378]

Still need to be on the yellow placards

any website links for the regs please bud? Not that I don't believe you, just want to check it myself!

haha it’s only a suggestion to be fair I don’t have a link just don’t think the digital images are in resemblance to the placards (e.g yellow background e.t.c)

[wintt4freen]

Still need to be on the yellow placards

any website links for the regs please bud? Not that I don't believe you, just want to check it myself!

haha it’s only a suggestion to be fair I don’t have a link just don’t think the digital images are in resemblance to the placards (e.g yellow background e.t.c)

ah fair enough! Just wondering what the regulations are so we can stay legal and smart!

[LeonGuy]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/199 ... view=plain

[wintt4freen]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/199 ... view=plain

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

[LeonGuy]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/199 ... view=plain

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

if you read the regulations I posted it gives the legal requirements regarding colour and size.

[Dayxana]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/199 ... view=plain

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

if you read the regulations I posted it gives the legal requirements regarding colour and size.

I don't see that the digital signs can comply.
They must have a black boarder of a certain minimum size.
Must be of a minimum size.
Don't forget they are only for home to school transport and shouldn't be displayed at any other time.

[wintt4freen]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/199 ... view=plain

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

if you read the regulations I posted it gives the legal requirements regarding colour and size.

that page doesn't state anything regarding colours or sizes. Is it on a page before/after that we need to click onto? I can do that much

[wintt4freen]

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

if you read the regulations I posted it gives the legal requirements regarding colour and size.

I don't see that the digital signs can comply.
They must have a black boarder of a certain minimum size.
Must be of a minimum size.
Don't forget they are only for home to school transport and shouldn't be displayed at any other time.

so not even when just on regular school transport? Say school trips, etc?

[Dayxana]

if you read the regulations I posted it gives the legal requirements regarding colour and size.

I don't see that the digital signs can comply.
They must have a black boarder of a certain minimum size.
Must be of a minimum size.
Don't forget they are only for home to school transport and shouldn't be displayed at any other time.

so not even when just on regular school transport? Say school trips, etc?

no. They're specifically for home to school use.

[wintt4freen]

I don't see that the digital signs can comply.
They must have a black boarder of a certain minimum size.
Must be of a minimum size.
Don't forget they are only for home to school transport and shouldn't be displayed at any other time.

so not even when just on regular school transport? Say school trips, etc?

no. They're specifically for home to school use.

good to know thanks! Can you get penalized for using them not on HTS runs?

[wintt4freen]

I don't see that the digital signs can comply.
They must have a black boarder of a certain minimum size.
Must be of a minimum size.
Don't forget they are only for home to school transport and shouldn't be displayed at any other time.

so not even when just on regular school transport? Say school trips, etc?

no. They're specifically for home to school use.

sorry that should read on runs that aren't HTS...

[LeonGuy]

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

if you read the regulations I posted it gives the legal requirements regarding colour and size.

that page doesn't state anything regarding colours or sizes. Is it on a page before/after that we need to click onto? I can do that much

Full amendments showing relevant info.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/2280/made

[GrindFolls]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/199 ... view=plain

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

Considering this is the only example of a sign given within the legislation and there has been no update to this section since 1994, one would presume that this is still the only permissible sign.
I’ve always understood that the fronts have to be at least 250mm x 250mm with a border no wider than 20mm and backs at least 400mm x 400mm with a border no wider than 30mm. The yellow section also has to be reflective.

[wintt4freen]

if you read the regulations I posted it gives the legal requirements regarding colour and size.

that page doesn't state anything regarding colours or sizes. Is it on a page before/after that we need to click onto? I can do that much

Full amendments showing relevant info.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/2280/made

brill thanks! Just need the brain power to tra skate all the legal hargin into layman's English

[wintt4freen]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/199 ... view=plain

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

Considering this is the only example of a sign given within the legislation and there has been no update to this section since 1994, one would presume that this is still the only permissible sign.
I’ve always understood that the fronts have to be at least 250mm x 250mm with a border no wider than 20mm and backs at least 400mm x 400mm with a border no wider than 30mm. The yellow section also has to be reflective.

the regs Leon has linked to says reflective or non reflective, so that bits debunked. But it also just says prescribed sign but doesn't show what exactly that is. Just the necessary dimensions...

[GrindFolls]

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

Considering this is the only example of a sign given within the legislation and there has been no update to this section since 1994, one would presume that this is still the only permissible sign.
I’ve always understood that the fronts have to be at least 250mm x 250mm with a border no wider than 20mm and backs at least 400mm x 400mm with a border no wider than 30mm. The yellow section also has to be reflective.

the regs Leon has linked to says reflective or non reflective, so that bits debunked. But it also just says prescribed sign but doesn't show what exactly that is. Just the necessary dimensions...

The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations which Leon linked to, under the section ‘Signs on busses carrying children’ doesn’t specifically in writing say either about whether the have to be reflective or non-reflective.
However, considering the diagram (Schedule 21A) is from that legislation, I’ve always understood that they have to be reflective and look as that diagram; as I would take that to be the ‘prescribed sign’, otherwise it wouldn’t be in the legislation.

[GrindFolls]

so where it says a prescribed sign, does that mean the digital ones are fine?

Considering this is the only example of a sign given within the legislation and there has been no update to this section since 1994, one would presume that this is still the only permissible sign.
I’ve always understood that the fronts have to be at least 250mm x 250mm with a border no wider than 20mm and backs at least 400mm x 400mm with a border no wider than 30mm. The yellow section also has to be reflective.

the regs Leon has linked to says reflective or non reflective, so that bits debunked. But it also just says prescribed sign but doesn't show what exactly that is. Just the necessary dimensions...

Surely the reason for that specifically being in the legislation is because that is the requirement?

[wintt4freen]

Considering this is the only example of a sign given within the legislation and there has been no update to this section since 1994, one would presume that this is still the only permissible sign.
I’ve always understood that the fronts have to be at least 250mm x 250mm with a border no wider than 20mm and backs at least 400mm x 400mm with a border no wider than 30mm. The yellow section also has to be reflective.

the regs Leon has linked to says reflective or non reflective, so that bits debunked. But it also just says prescribed sign but doesn't show what exactly that is. Just the necessary dimensions...

Surely the reason for that specifically being in the legislation is because that is the requirement?

have you a link for the Web page showing that sign please? As when I looked on the https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ site it just said prescribed sign and no images...

[GrindFolls]

the regs Leon has linked to says reflective or non reflective, so that bits debunked. But it also just says prescribed sign but doesn't show what exactly that is. Just the necessary dimensions...

Surely the reason for that specifically being in the legislation is because that is the requirement?

have you a link for the Web page showing that sign please? As when I looked on the https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ site it just said prescribed sign and no images...

Yes, it’s in the legislation.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/2280/made
Scroll down and you’ll see it.

[wintt4freen]

Surely the reason for that specifically being in the legislation is because that is the requirement?

have you a link for the Web page showing that sign please? As when I looked on the https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ site it just said prescribed sign and no images...

Yes, it’s in the legislation.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/2280/made
Scroll down and you’ll see it.

apologies that's me not scrolling all the way down! Saw the legal jargon then stopped looking!
And thanks for that!
So in that case the HTS services need the yellow and black sign front and rear, but can also have a secondary sign (the digital ones) which can also be used on normal school work as they're not the regulated HTS ones. Would you agree?

[LeonGuy]

that page doesn't state anything regarding colours or sizes. Is it on a page before/after that we need to click onto? I can do that much

Full amendments showing relevant info.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/2280/made

brill thanks! Just need the brain power to tra skate all the legal hargin into layman's English

The regulations state the signs should comply with 21a. Which states reflective material. Quote; "Prescribed sign” "a sign which is of a type shown in Schedule 21A and complies with the requirements of that Schedule.”

[wintt4freen]

Full amendments showing relevant info.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/2280/made

brill thanks! Just need the brain power to tra skate all the legal hargin into layman's English

The regulations state the signs should comply with 21a. Which states reflective material. Quote; "Prescribed sign” "a sign which is of a type shown in Schedule 21A and complies with the requirements of that Schedule.”

yeah my bad, seen that now. So has to be the non digital version, with a reflective background 250mm and 400mm, front and rear respectively.

[Dayxana]

In addition to Leon who posted while I was typing..Here's your answer
https://www.ukschoolsigns.co.uk/school- ... l-bus-sign

[wintt4freen]

In addition to Leon who posted while I was typing..Here's your answer
https://www.ukschoolsigns.co.uk/school- ... l-bus-sign

so that states it can be either reflective or non reflective, so a digital board would be fine. Maybe the only catch would be to invert the colours so it's black on orange/yellow rather than orange on black? To me that makes sense and follows the guidelines, would you disagree?

[Dayxana]

In addition to Leon who posted while I was typing..Here's your answer
https://www.ukschoolsigns.co.uk/school- ... l-bus-sign

so that states it can be either reflective or non reflective, so a digital board would be fine. Maybe the only catch would be to invert the colours so it's black on orange/yellow rather than orange on black? To me that makes sense and follows the guidelines, would you disagree?

you must comply with the size requirements

[wintt4freen]

In addition to Leon who posted while I was typing..Here's your answer
https://www.ukschoolsigns.co.uk/school- ... l-bus-sign

so that states it can be either reflective or non reflective, so a digital board would be fine. Maybe the only catch would be to invert the colours so it's black on orange/yellow rather than orange on black? To me that makes sense and follows the guidelines, would you disagree?

you must comply with the size requirements

yeah that's understood! 250mm and 400mm square, front and rear respectively. Will have to double check our signs show them at that scale! Thanks!

[Miiden]

Also must me displayed on exterior of vehicle (not inside windows) same as taxi plates

[wintt4freen]

Also must me displayed on exterior of vehicle (not inside windows) same as taxi plates

can you link to where that's stated in law please? As all I've read so far is as long as its visible from the front and rear you're okay. Nothing about inside or outside of the vehicle...

[Miiden]

Also must me displayed on exterior of vehicle (not inside windows) same as taxi plates

can you link to where that's stated in law please? As all I've read so far is as long as its visible from the front and rear you're okay. Nothing about inside or outside of the vehicle...

I’ll have a look as it was a few years ago now. The company I worked for gave us sheets of paper printed off a computer. They have to be a set size and reflective. In the end we didn’t need them, the sign is called Geneva sign, basically means, this bus may stop in places other than at bus stops on school runs. We were classed as A to B so none applicable

[wintt4freen]

Also must me displayed on exterior of vehicle (not inside windows) same as taxi plates

can you link to where that's stated in law please? As all I've read so far is as long as its visible from the front and rear you're okay. Nothing about inside or outside of the vehicle...

I’ll have a look as it was a few years ago now. The company I worked for gave us sheets of paper printed off a computer. They have to be a set size and reflective. In the end we didn’t need them, the sign is called Geneva sign, basically means, this bus may stop in places other than at bus stops on school runs. We were classed as A to B so none applicable

ah, the legislation that people have linked states all HTS services need it; and what the rules for the sign are...

[geoffun.Laxr]

Having driven school buses over many years it doesn't really matter because nobody takes any notice of them, nobody drives any better just because you have 70 odd kids on board or drives with caution because you are at a bus stop letting kids off.
But it doesn't help when service buses run around all day and all week including weekends with these stickers permanently displayed

[wintt4freen]

Having driven school buses over many years it doesn't really matter because nobody takes any notice of them, nobody drives any better just because you have 70 odd kids on board or drives with caution because you are at a bus stop letting kids off.
But it doesn't help when service buses run around all day and all week including weekends with these stickers permanently displayed

ah but it does matter as its the law. Yes it may make zero difference to other drivers, but as a responsible driver/operator its important to show willing and correct rules are being followed!

[geoffun.Laxr]

Having driven school buses over many years it doesn't really matter because nobody takes any notice of them, nobody drives any better just because you have 70 odd kids on board or drives with caution because you are at a bus stop letting kids off.
But it doesn't help when service buses run around all day and all week including weekends with these stickers permanently displayed

ah but it does matter as its the law. Yes it may make zero difference to other drivers, but as a responsible driver/operator its important to show willing and correct rules are being followed!

totally agree mate, our permanent school buses had stickers on the bodywork and our coaches had boards that were removable when not involving children as passengers
The law should include to have the signs removed when not on schools

[wintt4freen]

Having driven school buses over many years it doesn't really matter because nobody takes any notice of them, nobody drives any better just because you have 70 odd kids on board or drives with caution because you are at a bus stop letting kids off.
But it doesn't help when service buses run around all day and all week including weekends with these stickers permanently displayed

ah but it does matter as its the law. Yes it may make zero difference to other drivers, but as a responsible driver/operator its important to show willing and correct rules are being followed!

totally agree mate, our permanent school buses had stickers on the bodywork and our coaches had boards that were removable when not involving children as passengers
The law should include to have the signs removed when not on schools

aye! Unfortunately the rules just say what should happen when kids are on the vehicle, but not what to do when they aren't!

[lee+rmyami]

The electrical lights are only law in Northern Ireland I believe, don't think it has become mandatory in GB yet.

[lee+rmyami]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2011/49/made

[wintt4freen]

The electrical lights are only law in Northern Ireland I believe, don't think it has become mandatory in GB yet.

yeah already been answered bud. By UK law any Home to School services need the prescribed sign (the physical sign, not the digital one) front and rear of the vehicle with front no smaller than 250mm and rear no smaller than 400mm square.
They should then be removed for any other school work that isn't a HTS service. For school trips, baths runs, etc. the digital signs can be used to increase awareness to the public that there are children on board.