Hi, A useful guide for all of you which I thought I’d post after seeing so many don’t understand how the WTD works

[dautie02]

Hi, A useful guide for all of you which I thought I’d post after seeing so many don’t understand how the WTD works from the comments on a post from earlier.
You’re welcome!

[Gillo-xand]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

[dautie02]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

Reread the whole thing, particularly the opening sentence and you’ll find it’s all spot on

[Gillo-xand]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

Reread the whole thing, particularly the opening sentence and you’ll find it’s all spot on

he is saying you dont need a break in your first 6 hour of work, but a 15 is required before you get to 6 hour

[dautie02]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

Reread the whole thing, particularly the opening sentence and you’ll find it’s all spot on

he is saying you dont need a break in your first 6 hour of work, but a 15 is required before you get to 6 hour

You only require a break if working time in TOTAL is more than 6hrs in a shift. That break can be taken on or before 6hrs. My guide is spot on, as you are missing the vital words “in total”

[Gillo-xand]

Reread the whole thing, particularly the opening sentence and you’ll find it’s all spot on

he is saying you dont need a break in your first 6 hour of work, but a 15 is required before you get to 6 hour

You only require a break if working time in TOTAL is more than 6hrs in a shift. That break can be taken on or before 6hrs. My guide is spot on, as you are missing the vital words “in total”

going from my experience i started work at 0000 i did my checkes went to 2 other depots to get stock and drove to my destination arrived at my destination at 0600 and put it on break immediately (i normaly have a 15 min break before i set off to my final destination but didnt this particular day) when i got back to base i had an infringement and tachomaster stated i should have taken my break at or before 0545

[dautie02]

he is saying you dont need a break in your first 6 hour of work, but a 15 is required before you get to 6 hour

You only require a break if working time in TOTAL is more than 6hrs in a shift. That break can be taken on or before 6hrs. My guide is spot on, as you are missing the vital words “in total”

going from my experience i started work at 0000 i did my checkes went to 2 other depots to get stock and drove to my destination arrived at my destination at 0600 and put it on break immediately (i normaly have a 15 min break before i set off to my final destination but didnt this particular day) when i got back to base i had an infringement and tachomaster stated i should have taken my break at or before 0545

“Tachomaster” was wrong then. You don’t have to complete a break within 6hrs of other work/driving, it has to be STARTED by no later than 6hrs.
Potentially that is a ‘company policy’ requirement, but not a legal requirement.

[Gillo-xand]

You only require a break if working time in TOTAL is more than 6hrs in a shift. That break can be taken on or before 6hrs. My guide is spot on, as you are missing the vital words “in total”

going from my experience i started work at 0000 i did my checkes went to 2 other depots to get stock and drove to my destination arrived at my destination at 0600 and put it on break immediately (i normaly have a 15 min break before i set off to my final destination but didnt this particular day) when i got back to base i had an infringement and tachomaster stated i should have taken my break at or before 0545

“Tachomaster” was wrong then. You don’t have to complete a break within 6hrs of other work/driving, it has to be STARTED by no later than 6hrs.
Potentially that is a ‘company policy’ requirement, but not a legal requirement.

i suppose your going to tell me my £30 diary is wrong also

[Gillo-xand]

You only require a break if working time in TOTAL is more than 6hrs in a shift. That break can be taken on or before 6hrs. My guide is spot on, as you are missing the vital words “in total”

going from my experience i started work at 0000 i did my checkes went to 2 other depots to get stock and drove to my destination arrived at my destination at 0600 and put it on break immediately (i normaly have a 15 min break before i set off to my final destination but didnt this particular day) when i got back to base i had an infringement and tachomaster stated i should have taken my break at or before 0545

“Tachomaster” was wrong then. You don’t have to complete a break within 6hrs of other work/driving, it has to be STARTED by no later than 6hrs.
Potentially that is a ‘company policy’ requirement, but not a legal requirement.

and the company i work for deducts 30 mins off me every day so regardless of the rule i take a 30 before i get to 6 hour EG i did a 5 hour 15 min shift but i had a 30 min break

[dautie02]

going from my experience i started work at 0000 i did my checkes went to 2 other depots to get stock and drove to my destination arrived at my destination at 0600 and put it on break immediately (i normaly have a 15 min break before i set off to my final destination but didnt this particular day) when i got back to base i had an infringement and tachomaster stated i should have taken my break at or before 0545

“Tachomaster” was wrong then. You don’t have to complete a break within 6hrs of other work/driving, it has to be STARTED by no later than 6hrs.
Potentially that is a ‘company policy’ requirement, but not a legal requirement.

and the company i work for deducts 30 mins off me every day so regardless of the rule i take a 30 before i get to 6 hour EG i did a 5 hour 15 min shift but i had a 30 min break

Yes, I will. It’s missing the vital words ‘in total’ after the 30 and 45 break wording.
Also, the “daily rest” section below is wrong, as you can work reduce your daily rest 6 times in a ‘week’, not 3, as there’s a difference between a working week and a fixed week
I’d ask for your £30 back if I was you

[Gillo-xand]

“Tachomaster” was wrong then. You don’t have to complete a break within 6hrs of other work/driving, it has to be STARTED by no later than 6hrs.
Potentially that is a ‘company policy’ requirement, but not a legal requirement.

and the company i work for deducts 30 mins off me every day so regardless of the rule i take a 30 before i get to 6 hour EG i did a 5 hour 15 min shift but i had a 30 min break

Yes, I will. It’s missing the vital words ‘in total’ after the 30 and 45 break wording.
Also, the “daily rest” section below is wrong, as you can work reduce your daily rest 6 times in a ‘week’, not 3, as there’s a difference between a working week and a fixed week
I’d ask for your £30 back if I was you

mate i would put the glass pipe down for a while if i was you

[dautie02]

and the company i work for deducts 30 mins off me every day so regardless of the rule i take a 30 before i get to 6 hour EG i did a 5 hour 15 min shift but i had a 30 min break

Yes, I will. It’s missing the vital words ‘in total’ after the 30 and 45 break wording.
Also, the “daily rest” section below is wrong, as you can work reduce your daily rest 6 times in a ‘week’, not 3, as there’s a difference between a working week and a fixed week
I’d ask for your £30 back if I was you

mate i would put the glass pipe down for a while if i was you

I’m not the one who paid £30 for a diary that includes by the looks of it numerous errors.
Try GV262 for factual information like I do

[LivalkaLife]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

strictly wtd related: if you take a 15 mins break at 5hrs and 59 mins, you don't get an infringement (don't contradict me as I'm doing it quite often ). Because most people don't understand this, they get 30 mins before 6 hours. This covers them for up to 9 hours. This isn't wrong or right. It's just a safe way to not get an infringement . But this also shows that most people don't understand break rules.

[Gillo-xand]

Yes, I will. It’s missing the vital words ‘in total’ after the 30 and 45 break wording.
Also, the “daily rest” section below is wrong, as you can work reduce your daily rest 6 times in a ‘week’, not 3, as there’s a difference between a working week and a fixed week
I’d ask for your £30 back if I was you

mate i would put the glass pipe down for a while if i was you

I’m not the one who paid £30 for a diary that includes by the looks of it numerous errors.
Try GV262 for factual information like I do

i didnt pay for it bud it was a gift

[dautie02]

mate i would put the glass pipe down for a while if i was you

I’m not the one who paid £30 for a diary that includes by the looks of it numerous errors.
Try GV262 for factual information like I do

i didnt pay for it bud it was a gift

Fair enough, but however you got it it looks like it needs some work done on it before next years is released.

[Gillo-xand]

I’m not the one who paid £30 for a diary that includes by the looks of it numerous errors.
Try GV262 for factual information like I do

i didnt pay for it bud it was a gift

Fair enough, but however you got it it looks like it needs some work done on it before next years is released.

feel free to contact them and explain to them that the diary they are producing is incorrect

[jeandspo]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

can’t work more than 6 hrs not before

[mattal]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

Reread the whole thing, particularly the opening sentence and you’ll find it’s all spot on

what a complete twat wrong again

[saRaTinkers]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

mine does the same. I have to start my 15 (minimum) break before the counter gets to 6hours wtd otherwise it gives an infringement. I try to take my card out by 5.59 and end my shift otherwise it’s a 30 min break even if I only need to work 5 more mins.

[dautie02]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

mine does the same. I have to start my 15 (minimum) break before the counter gets to 6hours wtd otherwise it gives an infringement. I try to take my card out by 5.59 and end my shift otherwise it’s a 30 min break even if I only need to work 5 more mins.

That’s company policy then as you don’t need 30 minutes to cover 6hrs working time

[saRaTinkers]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

mine does the same. I have to start my 15 (minimum) break before the counter gets to 6hours wtd otherwise it gives an infringement. I try to take my card out by 5.59 and end my shift otherwise it’s a 30 min break even if I only need to work 5 more mins.

That’s company policy then as you don’t need 30 minutes to cover 6hrs working time

it’s the Tacho flashing, that’s all I care about, not getting an infringement is quite important in my book. So you are saying your post picture IS wrong then?! If I work 6 hours and 5 mins, I would be required to take a 30 min break no??? Or is 6hrs 5mins not between 6&9 hours anymore??

[dautie02]

mine does the same. I have to start my 15 (minimum) break before the counter gets to 6hours wtd otherwise it gives an infringement. I try to take my card out by 5.59 and end my shift otherwise it’s a 30 min break even if I only need to work 5 more mins.

That’s company policy then as you don’t need 30 minutes to cover 6hrs working time

it’s the Tacho flashing, that’s all I care about, not getting an infringement is quite important in my book. So you are saying your post picture IS wrong then?! If I work 6 hours and 5 mins, I would be required to take a 30 min break no??? Or is 6hrs 5mins not between 6&9 hours anymore??

No, I’m not. You said you try to take your card out by 5hrs 59 minutes which is wrong for a start. 6hrs is ok before a break is required. Over 6hrs and up to 9hrs in total is 30 minutes break in total required. You don’t have to legally start a break before 6hrs working time in total, so that is also a company policy.

[saRaTinkers]

That’s company policy then as you don’t need 30 minutes to cover 6hrs working time

it’s the Tacho flashing, that’s all I care about, not getting an infringement is quite important in my book. So you are saying your post picture IS wrong then?! If I work 6 hours and 5 mins, I would be required to take a 30 min break no??? Or is 6hrs 5mins not between 6&9 hours anymore??

No, I’m not. You said you try to take your card out by 5hrs 59 minutes which is wrong for a start. 6hrs is ok before a break is required. Over 6hrs and up to 9hrs in total is 30 minutes break in total required. You don’t have to legally start a break before 6hrs working time in total, so that is also a company policy.

so are you saying that my company can have the tacho programmed to insist I start my break before the 6 hour mark then?
Plus I didn’t say 30 mins for 6 hours I said I would have to take 30 mins if I worked over the 6 hours, which is what your post says, correct?

[dautie02]

it’s the Tacho flashing, that’s all I care about, not getting an infringement is quite important in my book. So you are saying your post picture IS wrong then?! If I work 6 hours and 5 mins, I would be required to take a 30 min break no??? Or is 6hrs 5mins not between 6&9 hours anymore??

No, I’m not. You said you try to take your card out by 5hrs 59 minutes which is wrong for a start. 6hrs is ok before a break is required. Over 6hrs and up to 9hrs in total is 30 minutes break in total required. You don’t have to legally start a break before 6hrs working time in total, so that is also a company policy.

so are you saying that my company can have the tacho programmed to insist I start my break before the 6 hour mark then?
Plus I didn’t say 30 mins for 6 hours I said I would have to take 30 mins if I worked over the 6 hours, which is what your post says, correct?

Yes. Any company can implement any system they want, but regardless of any company policy, the regs are the regs. You may get an infringement from your company for not starting a break before reaching 6hrs of working time, but if you got pulled by the DVSA and they checked your tacho, if you started a break after 6hrs bang on you wouldn’t be an issue with them.
GV262 supersedes any company policy.

[saRaTinkers]

No, I’m not. You said you try to take your card out by 5hrs 59 minutes which is wrong for a start. 6hrs is ok before a break is required. Over 6hrs and up to 9hrs in total is 30 minutes break in total required. You don’t have to legally start a break before 6hrs working time in total, so that is also a company policy.

so are you saying that my company can have the tacho programmed to insist I start my break before the 6 hour mark then?
Plus I didn’t say 30 mins for 6 hours I said I would have to take 30 mins if I worked over the 6 hours, which is what your post says, correct?

Yes. Any company can implement any system they want, but regardless of any company policy, the regs are the regs. You may get an infringement from your company for not starting a break before reaching 6hrs of working time, but if you got pulled by the DVSA and they checked your tacho, if you started a break after 6hrs bang on you wouldn’t be an issue with them.
GV262 supersedes any company policy.

well it seems like, more often than not, people on various wtd posts have similar restrictions on theirs and like me I doubt any want to take that risk. Regardless of what any paperwork says and some people’s insistence, if we are faced with restrictions through our tacho, it is what we have to follow. People pushing it at us that we are not entitled to take a break within the first 6 hours, because their rule book says so, only confuses new drivers and frustrates others as we know what we are faced with daily on shift through the eagle eyes that are our tachos. It is not as cut and dry as you are making out when you push the rule book’s narrative but too many of us are faced with things differently day in and day out. We are told that you follow the tacho, so we do and it’s still a problem for some.

[dautie02]

so are you saying that my company can have the tacho programmed to insist I start my break before the 6 hour mark then?
Plus I didn’t say 30 mins for 6 hours I said I would have to take 30 mins if I worked over the 6 hours, which is what your post says, correct?

Yes. Any company can implement any system they want, but regardless of any company policy, the regs are the regs. You may get an infringement from your company for not starting a break before reaching 6hrs of working time, but if you got pulled by the DVSA and they checked your tacho, if you started a break after 6hrs bang on you wouldn’t be an issue with them.
GV262 supersedes any company policy.

well it seems like, more often than not, people on various wtd posts have similar restrictions on theirs and like me I doubt any want to take that risk. Regardless of what any paperwork says and some people’s insistence, if we are faced with restrictions through our tacho, it is what we have to follow. People pushing it at us that we are not entitled to take a break within the first 6 hours, because their rule book says so, only confuses new drivers and frustrates others as we know what we are faced with daily on shift through the eagle eyes that are our tachos. It is not as cut and dry as you are making out when you push the rule book’s narrative but too many of us are faced with things differently day in and day out. We are told that you follow the tacho, so we do and it’s still a problem for some.

The point of the post is not to TELL people when to have a break, just what the legalities are about taking breaks. I will agree that all drivers should abide by their company’s policy to save any hassle with them, but drivers also need to know the legal side of things. Again, when it comes to being stopped by the DVSA, they couldn’t care less about company’s policy’s, just what’s legal.

[saRaTinkers]

Yes. Any company can implement any system they want, but regardless of any company policy, the regs are the regs. You may get an infringement from your company for not starting a break before reaching 6hrs of working time, but if you got pulled by the DVSA and they checked your tacho, if you started a break after 6hrs bang on you wouldn’t be an issue with them.
GV262 supersedes any company policy.

well it seems like, more often than not, people on various wtd posts have similar restrictions on theirs and like me I doubt any want to take that risk. Regardless of what any paperwork says and some people’s insistence, if we are faced with restrictions through our tacho, it is what we have to follow. People pushing it at us that we are not entitled to take a break within the first 6 hours, because their rule book says so, only confuses new drivers and frustrates others as we know what we are faced with daily on shift through the eagle eyes that are our tachos. It is not as cut and dry as you are making out when you push the rule book’s narrative but too many of us are faced with things differently day in and day out. We are told that you follow the tacho, so we do and it’s still a problem for some.

The point of the post is not to TELL people when to have a break, just what the legalities are about taking breaks. I will agree that all drivers should abide by their company’s policy to save any hassle with them, but drivers also need to know the legal side of things. Again, when it comes to being stopped by the DVSA, they couldn’t care less about company’s policy’s, just what’s legal.

what you seem to not understand with your post is that most of us have had this shoved down our necks day in and day out, how many have mentioned about having 15 mins within the 6 hours?! A high percentage I bet, because it would seem a high percentage of companies are doing it this way. So when someone comes on and says it and all the arrogant ‘know it alls’ say this same thing, tensions get high! Even more arrogant when you know why their tacho is doing this with them and you do not mention it, you just make them feel stupid and push ‘the law’ at them again! Which you have just done to me and countless others throughout this post! Many like me have no choice but to assume the tacho is set with dvsa laws and the infringements are only via dvsa as we are told all through training countless times how dvsa check our tacho for infringements and we will be fined.
If you want to push your knowledge then use it to help and not just to blindly (or purposely) make people feel stupid!

[dautie02]

well it seems like, more often than not, people on various wtd posts have similar restrictions on theirs and like me I doubt any want to take that risk. Regardless of what any paperwork says and some people’s insistence, if we are faced with restrictions through our tacho, it is what we have to follow. People pushing it at us that we are not entitled to take a break within the first 6 hours, because their rule book says so, only confuses new drivers and frustrates others as we know what we are faced with daily on shift through the eagle eyes that are our tachos. It is not as cut and dry as you are making out when you push the rule book’s narrative but too many of us are faced with things differently day in and day out. We are told that you follow the tacho, so we do and it’s still a problem for some.

The point of the post is not to TELL people when to have a break, just what the legalities are about taking breaks. I will agree that all drivers should abide by their company’s policy to save any hassle with them, but drivers also need to know the legal side of things. Again, when it comes to being stopped by the DVSA, they couldn’t care less about company’s policy’s, just what’s legal.

what you seem to not understand with your post is that most of us have had this shoved down our necks day in and day out, how many have mentioned about having 15 mins within the 6 hours?! A high percentage I bet, because it would seem a high percentage of companies are doing it this way. So when someone comes on and says it and all the arrogant ‘know it alls’ say this same thing, tensions get high! Even more arrogant when you know why their tacho is doing this with them and you do not mention it, you just make them feel stupid and push ‘the law’ at them again! Which you have just done to me and countless others throughout this post! Many like me have no choice but to assume the tacho is set with dvsa laws and the infringements are only via dvsa as we are told all through training countless times how dvsa check our tacho for infringements and we will be fined.
If you want to push your knowledge then use it to help and not just to blindly (or purposely) make people feel stupid!

The aim of the post was to give people factual advice. If people (and there’s been a few) don’t want to believe what’s in the post then that’s up to them. Quite a few if you read all of the comments have said it’s wrong, yet not one single person has explained why it’s wrong. They just keep on and on saying it’s wrong. To be fair to me I’ve remained quite calm in my responses however frustrated I’ve been with those people, especially the one who keeps calling me a n*nce.
You commented, and I replied to you with a factual/helpful response, but you seem to have jumped down my throat for some reason. Before slagging off someone take a look at yourself first in how you yourself appear to be.
Hopefully you’ll get out of bed the right side this morning……..

[saRaTinkers]

The point of the post is not to TELL people when to have a break, just what the legalities are about taking breaks. I will agree that all drivers should abide by their company’s policy to save any hassle with them, but drivers also need to know the legal side of things. Again, when it comes to being stopped by the DVSA, they couldn’t care less about company’s policy’s, just what’s legal.

what you seem to not understand with your post is that most of us have had this shoved down our necks day in and day out, how many have mentioned about having 15 mins within the 6 hours?! A high percentage I bet, because it would seem a high percentage of companies are doing it this way. So when someone comes on and says it and all the arrogant ‘know it alls’ say this same thing, tensions get high! Even more arrogant when you know why their tacho is doing this with them and you do not mention it, you just make them feel stupid and push ‘the law’ at them again! Which you have just done to me and countless others throughout this post! Many like me have no choice but to assume the tacho is set with dvsa laws and the infringements are only via dvsa as we are told all through training countless times how dvsa check our tacho for infringements and we will be fined.
If you want to push your knowledge then use it to help and not just to blindly (or purposely) make people feel stupid!

The aim of the post was to give people factual advice. If people (and there’s been a few) don’t want to believe what’s in the post then that’s up to them. Quite a few if you read all of the comments have said it’s wrong, yet not one single person has explained why it’s wrong. They just keep on and on saying it’s wrong. To be fair to me I’ve remained quite calm in my responses however frustrated I’ve been with those people, especially the one who keeps calling me a n*nce.
You commented, and I replied to you with a factual/helpful response, but you seem to have jumped down my throat for some reason. Before slagging off someone take a look at yourself first in how you yourself appear to be.
Hopefully you’ll get out of bed the right side this morning……..

slagged you off?! Hardly. When you clearly have an answer to their issue with the posting and do not pass it on, only wanting to push the fact that it is law and do not clear up for them what is happening. You are purposely winding people up. Factual advise is meaningless if the subsections of a situation are left unanswered! If so many people are getting frustrated with your answers, it is not us who need to reflect upon our replies!
I will explain the problem in a simple term you may be able to understand…..
It’s like you Insisting milkshake is just milk by law, when all who taste it know it’s not just plain milk but don’t know that the flavour can be adjusted by others. you are denying them their knowledge that it’s not just milk and insisting that the law states it’s milk and they are stupid for thinking otherwise, even though you know there is the option to add a flavour!! Do you get why people are frustrated with your answers now??! Hardly factual or helpful if you do not include ALL the facts!!! Just stating that you are providing us with this information when it’s plastered all over the place is a waste of everyone’s time, when it doesn’t clear up the situation!
Maybe you have raised yourself out of bed with a better head this morning!

[dautie02]

what you seem to not understand with your post is that most of us have had this shoved down our necks day in and day out, how many have mentioned about having 15 mins within the 6 hours?! A high percentage I bet, because it would seem a high percentage of companies are doing it this way. So when someone comes on and says it and all the arrogant ‘know it alls’ say this same thing, tensions get high! Even more arrogant when you know why their tacho is doing this with them and you do not mention it, you just make them feel stupid and push ‘the law’ at them again! Which you have just done to me and countless others throughout this post! Many like me have no choice but to assume the tacho is set with dvsa laws and the infringements are only via dvsa as we are told all through training countless times how dvsa check our tacho for infringements and we will be fined.
If you want to push your knowledge then use it to help and not just to blindly (or purposely) make people feel stupid!

The aim of the post was to give people factual advice. If people (and there’s been a few) don’t want to believe what’s in the post then that’s up to them. Quite a few if you read all of the comments have said it’s wrong, yet not one single person has explained why it’s wrong. They just keep on and on saying it’s wrong. To be fair to me I’ve remained quite calm in my responses however frustrated I’ve been with those people, especially the one who keeps calling me a n*nce.
You commented, and I replied to you with a factual/helpful response, but you seem to have jumped down my throat for some reason. Before slagging off someone take a look at yourself first in how you yourself appear to be.
Hopefully you’ll get out of bed the right side this morning……..

slagged you off?! Hardly. When you clearly have an answer to their issue with the posting and do not pass it on, only wanting to push the fact that it is law and do not clear up for them what is happening. You are purposely winding people up. Factual advise is meaningless if the subsections of a situation are left unanswered! If so many people are getting frustrated with your answers, it is not us who need to reflect upon our replies!
I will explain the problem in a simple term you may be able to understand…..
It’s like you Insisting milkshake is just milk by law, when all who taste it know it’s not just plain milk but don’t know that the flavour can be adjusted by others. you are denying them their knowledge that it’s not just milk and insisting that the law states it’s milk and they are stupid for thinking otherwise, even though you know there is the option to add a flavour!! Do you get why people are frustrated with your answers now??! Hardly factual or helpful if you do not include ALL the facts!!! Just stating that you are providing us with this information when it’s plastered all over the place is a waste of everyone’s time, when it doesn’t clear up the situation!
Maybe you have raised yourself out of bed with a better head this morning!

Yet again you are not understanding what is going on. I put up the post, and as I do in all forums I explain to those who don’t understand things where they are going wrong, and correct people who disagree with the facts. For example, if someone states that you can only use 3 reductions in a week I explain that they can actually do 6, as there’s a difference between a fixed week, and a working week, and that reductions are calculated between weekly rests. If someone then chooses to argue that wrong then of course there will be a discussion’ with myself explaining again. If they choose to keep arguing I’m wrong then that’s up to them. However, I back my argument up with info from an official source, whereas they use random Google searches which a lot of are wrong. Some will choose to accept my guidance.
Again, if you read through the comments on this post you will see that numerous are stating what I’ve posted is incorrect, yet seem to refuse to explain why they think it is, or use any sort of evidence as to why. None of them have offered a reason why, so how, other than tell them to look in GV262, can I expand any further? Take yourself for example, at least you gave a scenario which I then explained why it was incorrect. Most of the others haven’t, so how am I supposed to respond with more help/advice/guidance?

[saRaTinkers]

The aim of the post was to give people factual advice. If people (and there’s been a few) don’t want to believe what’s in the post then that’s up to them. Quite a few if you read all of the comments have said it’s wrong, yet not one single person has explained why it’s wrong. They just keep on and on saying it’s wrong. To be fair to me I’ve remained quite calm in my responses however frustrated I’ve been with those people, especially the one who keeps calling me a n*nce.
You commented, and I replied to you with a factual/helpful response, but you seem to have jumped down my throat for some reason. Before slagging off someone take a look at yourself first in how you yourself appear to be.
Hopefully you’ll get out of bed the right side this morning……..

slagged you off?! Hardly. When you clearly have an answer to their issue with the posting and do not pass it on, only wanting to push the fact that it is law and do not clear up for them what is happening. You are purposely winding people up. Factual advise is meaningless if the subsections of a situation are left unanswered! If so many people are getting frustrated with your answers, it is not us who need to reflect upon our replies!
I will explain the problem in a simple term you may be able to understand…..
It’s like you Insisting milkshake is just milk by law, when all who taste it know it’s not just plain milk but don’t know that the flavour can be adjusted by others. you are denying them their knowledge that it’s not just milk and insisting that the law states it’s milk and they are stupid for thinking otherwise, even though you know there is the option to add a flavour!! Do you get why people are frustrated with your answers now??! Hardly factual or helpful if you do not include ALL the facts!!! Just stating that you are providing us with this information when it’s plastered all over the place is a waste of everyone’s time, when it doesn’t clear up the situation!
Maybe you have raised yourself out of bed with a better head this morning!

Yet again you are not understanding what is going on. I put up the post, and as I do in all forums I explain to those who don’t understand things where they are going wrong, and correct people who disagree with the facts. For example, if someone states that you can only use 3 reductions in a week I explain that they can actually do 6, as there’s a difference between a fixed week, and a working week, and that reductions are calculated between weekly rests. If someone then chooses to argue that wrong then of course there will be a discussion’ with myself explaining again. If they choose to keep arguing I’m wrong then that’s up to them. However, I back my argument up with info from an official source, whereas they use random Google searches which a lot of are wrong. Some will choose to accept my guidance.
Again, if you read through the comments on this post you will see that numerous are stating what I’ve posted is incorrect, yet seem to refuse to explain why they think it is, or use any sort of evidence as to why. None of them have offered a reason why, so how, other than tell them to look in GV262, can I expand any further? Take yourself for example, at least you gave a scenario which I then explained why it was incorrect. Most of the others haven’t, so how am I supposed to respond with more help/advice/guidance?

once again you are ignoring the fact that unless it is brought to you, which they cannot do if they do not understand the situation, you are giving meaningless information. I got it out of you by laying it out like a child before you gave the information! You are not giving the knowledge that so many are not understanding. Which questions, why bother?! Quoting and insisting upon paperwork they can read daily does not help practical people! You are arguing with people like they know about situations beyond any information they can access. I have googled in as many ways as possible the information I have put to you and all it ever does is throw the information you have been throwing at people! Until I handed it to you on a plate you refused to acknowledge it existed. This is why people result in name calling, they feel it is their last resort as so many people like yourself are online doing the same thing. Instead of quoting this alone, maybe from now on add as context that a company can programme your tacho to insist upon a break within 6 hours. So even though the law states one is not needed (which applies to workers without a tacho and it will probably be written within their working hours contract) Drivers may not be given the same information.
Anyway I have a mummy lunch to get ready for so have a good Sunday.

[dautie02]

slagged you off?! Hardly. When you clearly have an answer to their issue with the posting and do not pass it on, only wanting to push the fact that it is law and do not clear up for them what is happening. You are purposely winding people up. Factual advise is meaningless if the subsections of a situation are left unanswered! If so many people are getting frustrated with your answers, it is not us who need to reflect upon our replies!
I will explain the problem in a simple term you may be able to understand…..
It’s like you Insisting milkshake is just milk by law, when all who taste it know it’s not just plain milk but don’t know that the flavour can be adjusted by others. you are denying them their knowledge that it’s not just milk and insisting that the law states it’s milk and they are stupid for thinking otherwise, even though you know there is the option to add a flavour!! Do you get why people are frustrated with your answers now??! Hardly factual or helpful if you do not include ALL the facts!!! Just stating that you are providing us with this information when it’s plastered all over the place is a waste of everyone’s time, when it doesn’t clear up the situation!
Maybe you have raised yourself out of bed with a better head this morning!

Yet again you are not understanding what is going on. I put up the post, and as I do in all forums I explain to those who don’t understand things where they are going wrong, and correct people who disagree with the facts. For example, if someone states that you can only use 3 reductions in a week I explain that they can actually do 6, as there’s a difference between a fixed week, and a working week, and that reductions are calculated between weekly rests. If someone then chooses to argue that wrong then of course there will be a discussion’ with myself explaining again. If they choose to keep arguing I’m wrong then that’s up to them. However, I back my argument up with info from an official source, whereas they use random Google searches which a lot of are wrong. Some will choose to accept my guidance.
Again, if you read through the comments on this post you will see that numerous are stating what I’ve posted is incorrect, yet seem to refuse to explain why they think it is, or use any sort of evidence as to why. None of them have offered a reason why, so how, other than tell them to look in GV262, can I expand any further? Take yourself for example, at least you gave a scenario which I then explained why it was incorrect. Most of the others haven’t, so how am I supposed to respond with more help/advice/guidance?

once again you are ignoring the fact that unless it is brought to you, which they cannot do if they do not understand the situation, you are giving meaningless information. I got it out of you by laying it out like a child before you gave the information! You are not giving the knowledge that so many are not understanding. Which questions, why bother?! Quoting and insisting upon paperwork they can read daily does not help practical people! You are arguing with people like they know about situations beyond any information they can access. I have googled in as many ways as possible the information I have put to you and all it ever does is throw the information you have been throwing at people! Until I handed it to you on a plate you refused to acknowledge it existed. This is why people result in name calling, they feel it is their last resort as so many people like yourself are online doing the same thing. Instead of quoting this alone, maybe from now on add as context that a company can programme your tacho to insist upon a break within 6 hours. So even though the law states one is not needed (which applies to workers without a tacho and it will probably be written within their working hours contract) Drivers may not be given the same information.
Anyway I have a mummy lunch to get ready for so have a good Sunday.

Add context? That’s open ended in most cases, so it’s easier to answer specific queries, rather than myself making and adding numerous ‘presumptions’ on every single topic…….
Enjoy your day.

[mattal]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

he’s not even a driver pal

[timagel]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

he’s not even a driver pal

But he’s a lot of driving experts

[mattal]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

he’s not even a driver pal

But he’s a lot of driving experts

are you even english

[Gillo-xand]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

he’s not even a driver pal

hahaha i did look on his profile but no job listed he must just be one of them unemployed retards that just likes drama and thinks he knows it all

[dautie02]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

he’s not even a driver pal

Well, you should know more that’s right than ME then

[dautie02]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

he’s not even a driver pal

hahaha i did look on his profile but no job listed he must just be one of them unemployed retards that just likes drama and thinks he knows it all

Firstly, to help you out, I’m now a builder after doing 31yrs of driving.
Secondly, no one yet has proven anything I’ve said is incorrect using correct information from an official source.
The reason why? Because everything I’ve said is correct, and from an official source, not random Google searches

[mattal]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

he’s not even a driver pal

Well, you should know more that’s right than ME then

wrong end. Still a cowboy

[dautie02]

he’s not even a driver pal

Well, you should know more that’s right than ME then

wrong end. Still a cowboy

So prove me wrong

[mattal]

Well, you should know more that’s right than ME then

wrong end. Still a cowboy

So prove me wrong

done that yourself nonce boy

[dautie02]

wrong end. Still a cowboy

So prove me wrong

done that yourself nonce boy

Again, mature.
Show me where then

[timagel]

he’s not even a driver pal

But he’s a lot of driving experts

are you even english

Probably more than you

[dautie02]

But he’s a lot of driving experts

are you even english

Probably more than you

Loads saying I’m wrong, but not one yet has provided a factual/official reason why.
Weird eh

[timagel]

are you even english

Probably more than you

Loads saying I’m wrong, but not one yet has provided a factual/official reason why.
Weird eh

Gillo is under company policy so his cpc trainer is probably spouting company policy and not the regs. “ 0- 6 hrs no break required “ That’s self explanatory, maybe not to Mattal though, just replies with little digs, f**k knows what he’s on about. If they look on asset publishing instead of driver room chit chat they’d see the regs set out that DVSA enforce, not DVLA or Ted in the driver room. I’ve never gone to the limit on the WTD, I take my first 15 after 3 hrs but that means I can go another 6 whole hrs before another break, driving depending on that. Another one, 4.5 hrs driving. You can hit 4.30 then put it on break straight away, I’ve done it once but you may get the infringement if it clocks over as your changing mode.

[mattal]

Probably more than you

Loads saying I’m wrong, but not one yet has provided a factual/official reason why.
Weird eh

Gillo is under company policy so his cpc trainer is probably spouting company policy and not the regs. “ 0- 6 hrs no break required “ That’s self explanatory, maybe not to Mattal though, just replies with little digs, f**k knows what he’s on about. If they look on asset publishing instead of driver room chit chat they’d see the regs set out that DVSA enforce, not DVLA or Ted in the driver room. I’ve never gone to the limit on the WTD, I take my first 15 after 3 hrs but that means I can go another 6 whole hrs before another break, driving depending on that. Another one, 4.5 hrs driving. You can hit 4.30 then put it on break straight away, I’ve done it once but you may get the infringement if it clocks over as your changing mode.

pair of nonce boys now. How is it you have to get help. lol. Does he wipe your co** for you to. when you pull it out his ass

[timagel]

Loads saying I’m wrong, but not one yet has provided a factual/official reason why.
Weird eh

Gillo is under company policy so his cpc trainer is probably spouting company policy and not the regs. “ 0- 6 hrs no break required “ That’s self explanatory, maybe not to Mattal though, just replies with little digs, f**k knows what he’s on about. If they look on asset publishing instead of driver room chit chat they’d see the regs set out that DVSA enforce, not DVLA or Ted in the driver room. I’ve never gone to the limit on the WTD, I take my first 15 after 3 hrs but that means I can go another 6 whole hrs before another break, driving depending on that. Another one, 4.5 hrs driving. You can hit 4.30 then put it on break straight away, I’ve done it once but you may get the infringement if it clocks over as your changing mode.

pair of nonce boys now. How is it you have to get help. lol. Does he wipe your co** for you to. when you pull it out his ass

You seem to be very clued up on this

[timagel]

Loads saying I’m wrong, but not one yet has provided a factual/official reason why.
Weird eh

Gillo is under company policy so his cpc trainer is probably spouting company policy and not the regs. “ 0- 6 hrs no break required “ That’s self explanatory, maybe not to Mattal though, just replies with little digs, f**k knows what he’s on about. If they look on asset publishing instead of driver room chit chat they’d see the regs set out that DVSA enforce, not DVLA or Ted in the driver room. I’ve never gone to the limit on the WTD, I take my first 15 after 3 hrs but that means I can go another 6 whole hrs before another break, driving depending on that. Another one, 4.5 hrs driving. You can hit 4.30 then put it on break straight away, I’ve done it once but you may get the infringement if it clocks over as your changing mode.

pair of nonce boys now. How is it you have to get help. lol. Does he wipe your co** for you to. when you pull it out his ass

Anyway crack on pongo, I’ve been called far worse

[mattal]

Gillo is under company policy so his cpc trainer is probably spouting company policy and not the regs. “ 0- 6 hrs no break required “ That’s self explanatory, maybe not to Mattal though, just replies with little digs, f**k knows what he’s on about. If they look on asset publishing instead of driver room chit chat they’d see the regs set out that DVSA enforce, not DVLA or Ted in the driver room. I’ve never gone to the limit on the WTD, I take my first 15 after 3 hrs but that means I can go another 6 whole hrs before another break, driving depending on that. Another one, 4.5 hrs driving. You can hit 4.30 then put it on break straight away, I’ve done it once but you may get the infringement if it clocks over as your changing mode.

pair of nonce boys now. How is it you have to get help. lol. Does he wipe your co** for you to. when you pull it out his ass

You seem to be very clued up on this

yes mate your mum thought me. I take you have no kids being a jaffa so share Dautie

[mattal]

Gillo is under company policy so his cpc trainer is probably spouting company policy and not the regs. “ 0- 6 hrs no break required “ That’s self explanatory, maybe not to Mattal though, just replies with little digs, f**k knows what he’s on about. If they look on asset publishing instead of driver room chit chat they’d see the regs set out that DVSA enforce, not DVLA or Ted in the driver room. I’ve never gone to the limit on the WTD, I take my first 15 after 3 hrs but that means I can go another 6 whole hrs before another break, driving depending on that. Another one, 4.5 hrs driving. You can hit 4.30 then put it on break straight away, I’ve done it once but you may get the infringement if it clocks over as your changing mode.

pair of nonce boys now. How is it you have to get help. lol. Does he wipe your co** for you to. when you pull it out his ass

Anyway crack on pongo, I’ve been called far worse

100% nonce

[croyal]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

no
After no more than 6 hours accumulated working time.
Nothing in law prior to 6 hours.

[dautie02]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

no
After no more than 6 hours accumulated working time.
Nothing in law prior to 6 hours.

It’s a waste of time with him as well as the people who agree his comment
Read all of Mattal's comments as well. To be fair most people on here actually disagree with my post, so what does THAT say

[mattal]

You need a 15 min break before you get to 6 hour

no
After no more than 6 hours accumulated working time.
Nothing in law prior to 6 hours.

It’s a waste of time with him as well as the people who agree his comment
Read all of Mattal's comments as well. To be fair most people on here actually disagree with my post, so what does THAT say

is this your life troll. Sad nonce

[BENEVILL]

The first sentence is worded wrong. If anybody says otherwise, read the fourth paragraph. It supersedes the first sentence.

[Gillo-xand]

The first sentence is worded wrong. If anybody says otherwise, read the fourth paragraph. It supersedes the first sentence.

agreed the last sentence contradicts the first one

[dautie02]

The first sentence is worded wrong. If anybody says otherwise, read the fourth paragraph. It supersedes the first sentence.

It’s all worded correctly. GV262 will confirm it if you take a look

[delyo2250]

The first sentence is worded wrong. If anybody says otherwise, read the fourth paragraph. It supersedes the first sentence.

first one says up to 6 hours no break required, 4th one says over 6hrs requires 15 minutes break. Maybe I am reading it wrong

[dautie02]

The first sentence is worded wrong. If anybody says otherwise, read the fourth paragraph. It supersedes the first sentence.

first one says up to 6 hours no break required, 4th one says over 6hrs requires 15 minutes break. Maybe I am reading it wrong

You are. The words “in total” are key.

[delyo2250]

The first sentence is worded wrong. If anybody says otherwise, read the fourth paragraph. It supersedes the first sentence.

first one says up to 6 hours no break required, 4th one says over 6hrs requires 15 minutes break. Maybe I am reading it wrong

You are. The words “in total” are key.

the words in total are not in the 1st or 4th paragraph

[dautie02]

first one says up to 6 hours no break required, 4th one says over 6hrs requires 15 minutes break. Maybe I am reading it wrong

You are. The words “in total” are key.

the words in total are not in the 1st or 4th paragraph

They are in the first, as well as everywhere else they need to be. They don’t need to be in the fourth.

[delyo2250]

You are. The words “in total” are key.

the words in total are not in the 1st or 4th paragraph

They are in the first, as well as everywhere else they need to be. They don’t need to be in the fourth.

If you work up to 6 hours then quitting, no break required. If you get to 6 hours and you still have more to do you must take 15 minutes break is the way I am reading it.

[delyo2250]

You are. The words “in total” are key.

the words in total are not in the 1st or 4th paragraph

They are in the first, as well as everywhere else they need to be. They don’t need to be in the fourth.

fair enough. I still don’t see what the confusion is with your original post.

[EmpersMuck]

The first sentence is worded wrong. If anybody says otherwise, read the fourth paragraph. It supersedes the first sentence.

if you work 6hrs no break needed. If you are going to work 6hrs + then 15 needed in that first 6hours.

[dautie02]

Mattal, Your thoughts on this

[mattal]

Mattal, Your thoughts on this

15

[dautie02]

Mattal, Your thoughts on this

15

What does that mean?

[mattal]

Mattal, Your thoughts on this

15

What does that mean?

if your a driver. Come Monday you work over 6 hours and see if you get an infringement. As clearly you won’t listen to any answer on here. And use gov web site as the one you use will get you in trouble going forward.

[dautie02]

15

What does that mean?

if your a driver. Come Monday you work over 6 hours and see if you get an infringement. As clearly you won’t listen to any answer on here. And use gov web site as the one you use will get you in trouble going forward.

If I am going to work in total for more than 6hrs then I’ll have a break as and when required, as I understand the WTD unlike some

[mattal]

What does that mean?

if your a driver. Come Monday you work over 6 hours and see if you get an infringement. As clearly you won’t listen to any answer on here. And use gov web site as the one you use will get you in trouble going forward.

If I am going to work in total for more than 6hrs then I’ll have a break as and when required, as I understand the WTD unlike some

do it your way when you get your license. I’m off work now so f**k off.

[dautie02]

if your a driver. Come Monday you work over 6 hours and see if you get an infringement. As clearly you won’t listen to any answer on here. And use gov web site as the one you use will get you in trouble going forward.

If I am going to work in total for more than 6hrs then I’ll have a break as and when required, as I understand the WTD unlike some

do it your way when you get your license. I’m off work now so f**k off.

Out of interest, what happened to your post last night? You know, the one where you argued that knowledgeable people were wrong

[jeandspo]

If I am going to work in total for more than 6hrs then I’ll have a break as and when required, as I understand the WTD unlike some

do it your way when you get your license. I’m off work now so f**k off.

Out of interest, what happened to your post last night? You know, the one where you argued that knowledgeable people were wrong

will do his usual or his post because when proved wrong that’s what cowards do

[jeandspo]

if your a driver. Come Monday you work over 6 hours and see if you get an infringement. As clearly you won’t listen to any answer on here. And use gov web site as the one you use will get you in trouble going forward.

If I am going to work in total for more than 6hrs then I’ll have a break as and when required, as I understand the WTD unlike some

do it your way when you get your license. I’m off work now so f**k off.

nowhere does it say work more than 6 hrs without a break

[mattal]

If I am going to work in total for more than 6hrs then I’ll have a break as and when required, as I understand the WTD unlike some

do it your way when you get your license. I’m off work now so f**k off.

Out of interest, what happened to your post last night? You know, the one where you argued that knowledgeable people were wrong

you haven't even got a license. No point with you. Just do it your way. See what happens. your the man. Nonse

[dautie02]

do it your way when you get your license. I’m off work now so f**k off.

Out of interest, what happened to your post last night? You know, the one where you argued that knowledgeable people were wrong

you haven't even got a license. No point with you. Just do it your way. See what happens. your the man. Nonse

It’s kind of weird you say that, as everything in my initial post is in GV262. Perhaps follow your suggestion to me yourself, as you clearly get your ‘info’ from elsewhere

[jeandspo]

Out of interest, what happened to your post last night? You know, the one where you argued that knowledgeable people were wrong

you haven't even got a license. No point with you. Just do it your way. See what happens. your the man. Nonse

It’s kind of weird you say that, as everything in my initial post is in GV262. Perhaps follow your suggestion to me yourself, as you clearly get your ‘info’ from elsewhere

ffs he can’t even spell nonce properly. Mattal the gift that keeps on giving